I am not saying Colt is great (he is not) but..

[Dayman]

There was never any statistical evidence to show the offense runs better with Colt.

2 of this offense's 4 lowest yardage totals of the year have come in the last 2 weeks, and their per play average with Colt (4.5 yards) is lower than their season average (5.1 yards). The offense has the most penalties in the league this season, and they have racked up about the same amount in the last 2 weeks as they average for the year. Hopkins and Moore/Dortch have continued to dominate targets, aside from AJ Green in garbage time tonight.

All of this is totally understandable, because he is Colt McCoy, and this offense has issues well beyond the QB. Everyone wants this to be another Warner/Leinart situation, but it clearly isn't. Respect to Colt and all, but he is the quintessential backup for a reason.

It's much easier to put all the blame on Kyler than it is to admit that this entire organization is pretty much going up in flames and has been for quite a while.

 

[BritCard]

There was never any statistical evidence to show the offense runs better with Colt.

2 of this offense's 4 lowest yardage totals of the year have come in the last 2 weeks, and their per play average with Colt (4.5 yards) is lower than their season average (5.1 yards). The offense has the most penalties in the league this season, and they have racked up about the same amount in the last 2 weeks as they average for the year. Hopkins and Moore/Dortch have continued to dominate targets, aside from AJ Green in garbage time tonight.

All of this is totally understandable, because he is Colt McCoy, and this offense has issues well beyond the QB. Everyone wants this to be another Warner/Leinart situation, but it clearly isn't. Respect to Colt and all, but he is the quintessential backup for a reason.

It's much easier to put all the blame on Kyler than it is to admit that this entire organization is pretty much going up in flames and has been for quite a while.

There are multiple sources, including Larry Fitzgerald in pre game commentary and local media with ties to the team, talking about how much more command, respect and trust Colt has from the offense.

Not many are coming out and talking about Kyler directly but they are saying it clearly without saying it. When Larry is talking about how the offense listen's to Colt, how they trust him to get the ball out on time and for the ball to be there when they break, how the offense is in awe with his attention to detail that's a clear signal there are Kyler issues.

There are well connected people in pre game commentary saying the Org is pleading with Kyler to "go back to school" but he thinks he "knows it all".

Last night's result wasn't on McCoy. He's not playing defense. He did as good as could be expected of anyone with only 3 starters on offense. I mean come on, 8 backups including himself playing.

The season is over now. They should, and it would not surprise me if they did, keep Kyler benched until he show's he is putting the work in.

 

[Dayman]

There are multiple sources, including Larry Fitzgerald in pre game commentary and local media with ties to the team, talking about how much more command, respect and trust Colt has from the offense.

Not many are coming out and talking about Kyler directly but they are saying it clearly without saying it. When Larry is talking about how the offense listen's to Colt, how they trust him to get the ball out on time and for the ball to be there when they break, how the offense is in awe with his attention to detail that's a clear signal there are Kyler issues.

There are well connected people in pre game commentary saying the Org is pleading with Kyler to "go back to school" but he thinks he "knows it all".

Last night's result wasn't on McCoy. He's not playing defense. He did as good as could be expected of anyone with only 3 starters on offense. I mean come on, 8 backups including himself playing.

The season is over now. They should, and it would not surprise me if they did, keep Kyler benched until he show's he is putting the work in.

And all of that command, respect and trust has resulted in 2 of the lowest 4 yardage totals of the year at an average of 4.5 yards per play.

Again, there is no statistical evidence that shows this offense runs better with Colt.

 

[BritCard]

And all of that command, respect and trust has resulted in 2 of the lowest 4 yardage totals of the year at an average of 4.5 yards per play.

Again, there is no statistical evidence that shows this offense runs better with Colt.

What? McCoy had a 6.75 YPA last week and a 6.41 YPA this week. With no Ertz, no Rondale and 4 backup O line.

Kyler's YPA for the year, much of which was played with more O line starters and starting receivers is 6.02. Only in 3 of 9 games has it been over 6.

McCoy had more passes over 10 yards last week than Kyler in any game this season. The past 2 weeks all 3 primary receivers (WR or TE) average over 10 yards. That only happened once with Kyler. AJ Green has become relevant again.

So yes, there is evidence the offense runs better.

 

[Dayman]

What? McCoy had a 6.75 YPA last week and a 6.41 YPA this week. With no Ertz, no Rondale and 4 backup O line.

Kyler's YPA for the year, much of which was played with more O line starters and starting receivers is 6.02. Only in 3 of 9 games has it been over 6.

McCoy had more passes over 10 yards last week than Kyler in any game this season. The past 2 weeks all 3 primary receivers (WR or TE) average over 10 yards. That only happened once with Kyler. AJ Green has become relevant again.

So yes, there is evidence the offense runs better.

That weird stat about the 3 primary receivers isn't even true, and 40 of AJ Green's 50 yards tonight came in junk time from McSorely, so he was still as irrelevant as ever with Colt in the game.

You also failed to mentioned any stat that accounts for the running game. Seeing as Kyler is still this team's leading rusher, that seems like a fairly major omission. Nobody judges the Ravens offense without factoring in Lamar's rushing yards.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Poorly coached on BOTH sides of the ball

Maybe, but how do you coach a bunch of scrubs? You are playing a top D tonight with an OL of practice squad players. What gets me though is don't we go through this every year? The OL breaks down, the D looks like they are playing prevent defense for 4 quarters with players who look like deer caught in the headlights. How do you stop a team when you give them a wide open 8 yd pass play on every 1st down. The D is predicated on let them catch the ball and then try to tackle them 1 on 1 until they get to the 10 yard line, then we can tighten up on them.

 

[BritCard]

That weird stat about the 3 primary receivers isn't even true, and 40 of AJ Green's 50 yards tonight came in junk time from McSorely, so he was still as irrelevant as ever with Colt in the game.

You also failed to mentioned any stat that accounts for the running game. Seeing as Kyler is still this team's leading rusher, that seems like a fairly major omission. Nobody judges the Ravens offense without factoring in Lamar's rushing yards.

So we should judge Kyler only by his legs advantage and not as an actual passer? Because as an actual passer there is no doubt Colt has performed better.

 

[slanidrac16]

That weird stat about the 3 primary receivers isn't even true, and 40 of AJ Green's 50 yards tonight came in junk time from McSorely, so he was still as irrelevant as ever with Colt in the game.

You also failed to mentioned any stat that accounts for the running game. Seeing as Kyler is still this team's leading rusher, that seems like a fairly major omission. Nobody judges the Ravens offense without factoring in Lamar's rushing yards.

You need to go back and deduct Kylee’s garbage time stats because he has a lot.

 

[SoonerLou]

I mean Colt hasnt been that much different of a passer than Kyler. The main difference is he doesnt kill 3 drives a game. Thats where Kyler really hurts you. Doesnt extend enough drives this season. Sometimes takes a terrible sack or passes up an open 1st down to throw a 50/50 ball.

Even if they make Kliff the scapegoat the issue is who fixes Kyler? Would Sean Payton really come to Arizona for Kyler? The Chargers would fire their coach in the quickness for Payton. And he'd easily choose Herbert. He'd probably take a chance on a rookie QB in Carolina that he can help mold than Kyler who might be set in his ways.

So now its about an unknown. That unknown guy is probably going to want his own guy at QB as well.

Its just a bad situation all around.

 

[DVontel]

We got to see how garbage the overall roster is with both Kyler & Colt at QB this season.

The stark difference between this roster & SF’s roster…..whew.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We got to see how garbage the overall roster is with both Kyler & Colt at QB this season.

The stark difference between this roster & SF’s roster…..whew.

This is correct. The roster as a whole is so below average and the coaching is so poor that the only shot we have at consistently beating good teams is a superhuman effort by a QB. Colt isn't capable and Kyler has checked out so...

 

[BritCard]

I mean Colt hasnt been that much different of a passer than Kyler. The main difference is he doesnt kill 3 drives a game. Thats where Kyler really hurts you. Doesnt extend enough drives this season. Sometimes takes a terrible sack or passes up an open 1st down to throw a 50/50 ball.

Even if they make Kliff the scapegoat the issue is who fixes Kyler? Would Sean Payton really come to Arizona for Kyler? The Chargers would fire their coach in the quickness for Payton. And he'd easily choose Herbert. He'd probably take a chance on a rookie QB in Carolina that he can help mold than Kyler who might be set in his ways.

So now its about an unknown. That unknown guy is probably going to want his own guy at QB as well.

Its just a bad situation all around.

This is a good point.

McCoy had two 3 and outs last night on 11 drives against the best defense in the league. That's been a major issue with Kyler at QB all year.

We didn't lose last night due to QB play. We lost with bad defense, no pass rush and a crap load of starters missing.

 

[Stout]

This is a good point.

McCoy had two 3 and outs last night on 11 drives against the best defense in the league. That's been a major issue with Kyler at QB all year.

We didn't lose last night due to QB play. We lost with bad defense, no pass rush and a crap load of starters missing.

Yup. 2nd offensive play of the first half was a great example of a QB sensing pressure and using the pocket. The end is coming hot off the right, so Colt stepped forward and let the defender slide past him and the blocker push the defender pass. Who here wants to bet Kyler would've spun backwards right into that defender because he got skittish?

Of course, the next play showed how inept Kliffy is in calling plays.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What? McCoy had a 6.75 YPA last week and a 6.41 YPA this week. With no Ertz, no Rondale and 4 backup O line.

Kyler's YPA for the year, much of which was played with more O line starters and starting receivers is 6.02. Only in 3 of 9 games has it been over 6.

McCoy had more passes over 10 yards last week than Kyler in any game this season. The past 2 weeks all 3 primary receivers (WR or TE) average over 10 yards. That only happened once with Kyler. AJ Green has become relevant again.

So yes, there is evidence the offense runs better.

Man you’ve completely shot your credibility the last two weeks with misinformation after misinformation in your anti-kyler campaign. Who is the biggest lynchpin in the success of this team offensively? Hop. And kyler had him starting all those weeks during which his averages were compiled? Yeeaaahhh . . .

I’m no kyler apologist, but your anti-kyler obsession has caused you to lose it completely.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Man you’ve completely shot your credibility the last two weeks with misinformation after misinformation in your anti-kyler campaign. Who is the biggest lynchpin in the success of this team offensively? Hop. And kyler had him starting all those weeks during which his averages were compiled? Yeeaaahhh . . .

I’m no kyler apologist, but your anti-kyler obsession has caused you to lose it completely.

It’s quite bizarre.

And AJ Green is becoming relevant because he’s not dropping easy passes and making difficult ones. Assuming that’s more mean reversion or desperation to hang on to an NFL salary. The reasoning that AJ all of a sudden playing better due to Colt vs Kyler is laughable.

So we should judge Kyler only by his legs advantage and not as an actual passer? Because as an actual passer there is no doubt Colt has performed better.

Um…they both are factored in. We shouldn’t not consider for example one of the best pass rushers in the league as an asset because he happens to be a mediocre run defender.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

This is a good point.

McCoy had two 3 and outs last night on 11 drives against the best defense in the league. That's been a major issue with Kyler at QB all year.

We didn't lose last night due to QB play. We lost with bad defense, no pass rush and a crap load of starters missing.

If Kyler had put up 10 points last night and had exact same stat line as Colt, there would 100% be an inane thread by you cherry-picking bad reads and whining about how much Kyler blows.

 

[BigRedRage]

lol the fact that a coly mccoy over kyler thread can get this large

 

[Crimson Warrior]

If Kyler had put up 10 points last night and had exact same stat line as Colt, there would 100% be an inane thread by you cherry-picking bad reads and whining about how much Kyler blows.

Is this true, or isn’t it @BritCard?

 

[BritCard]

If Kyler had put up 10 points last night and had exact same stat line as Colt, there would 100% be an inane thread by you cherry-picking bad reads and whining about how much Kyler blows.

Because if Kyler plays you can bet your life there would have been a ton of bad reads.

 

[BritCard]

Um…they both are factored in. We shouldn’t not consider for example one of the best pass rushers in the league as an asset because he happens to be a mediocre run defender.

Because a pass rusher has to be able to do both. A QB does not need to rush. In fact it's an indictment of Kyler that you believe he can only be judged as a quarterback if we include his rushing.

Why would we factor in running when comparing two quarterbacks ability to pass? 90%+ of his job is passing.

 

[PACardsFan]

There are multiple sources, including Larry Fitzgerald in pre game commentary and local media with ties to the team, talking about how much more command, respect and trust Colt has from the offense.

Not many are coming out and talking about Kyler directly but they are saying it clearly without saying it. When Larry is talking about how the offense listen's to Colt, how they trust him to get the ball out on time and for the ball to be there when they break, how the offense is in awe with his attention to detail that's a clear signal there are Kyler issues.

There are well connected people in pre game commentary saying the Org is pleading with Kyler to "go back to school" but he thinks he "knows it all".

Last night's result wasn't on McCoy. He's not playing defense. He did as good as could be expected of anyone with only 3 starters on offense. I mean come on, 8 backups including himself playing.

The season is over now. They should, and it would not surprise me if they did, keep Kyler benched until he show's he is putting the work in.

If we have a young, talented QB that needs to continue to improve, why would you consider starting a 36 year old journeyman has been the rest of the season??? This mentality is beyond silly. QB play means almost nothing when you have a team that’s atrociously bad in the trenches on BOTH sides of the ball. And a HC who who gets outcoached 95% of the time doesn’t help either.

 

[GatorAZ]

It’s quite bizarre.

And AJ Green is becoming relevant because he’s not dropping easy passes and making difficult ones. Assuming that’s more mean reversion or desperation to hang on to an NFL salary. The reasoning that AJ all of a sudden playing better due to Colt vs Kyler is laughable.



Um…they both are factored in. We shouldn’t not consider for example one of the best pass rushers in the league as an asset because he happens to be a mediocre run defender.

OMG can you imagine AJ getting re-signed after a strong finish to the season of meaningless football?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is a good point.

McCoy had two 3 and outs last night on 11 drives against the best defense in the league. That's been a major issue with Kyler at QB all year.

We didn't lose last night due to QB play. We lost with bad defense, no pass rush and a crap load of starters missing.

Our offense generated 10 points and our QB threw an interception. But no fault on the QB? And before everyone starts bleating about the injuries, kyker had a similar slew of injuries to his surrounding cast and the cast seemed just fine around mccoy last week when people were crowing about how mccoy did against a “good” (lol) rams defense. Let’s keep the playing field even here.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Because a pass rusher has to be able to do both. A QB does not need to rush. In fact it's an indictment of Kyler that you believe he can only be judged as a quarterback if we include his rushing.

Why would we factor in running when comparing two quarterbacks ability to pass? 90%+ of his job is passing.

Lamar Jackson should have his mvp taken away. The bears should not be excited about Justin fields. All QB rushing TDs should be retroactively removed from the records. This post was stupid.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

OMG can you imagine AJ getting re-signed after a strong finish to the season of meaningless football?

Yes