I hATE ROBIN LOPEZ

[JS22]

What took so long.

Ha! I actually chuckled out loud on that one.

 

[ndjmc]

UA SUCKS!!!!

Good Point

 

[Mainstreet]

It also could say that they are more concerned with backup point guard than defensive big, and 75% of this board would agree with him.

This is exactly correct. The Suns lacking an adequate backup PG to rest Nash (and not having the PGOF to develop) over the past several seasons has hurt the Suns in untold ways. A rested Steve Nash could have turned some losses into wins. Also giving Nash an adequate backup PG could prolong his career.

The Suns need at PG outweighed their need upfront. This is why so many fans are excited about Dragic. I view Dragic and Lopez almost as two different issues because they play different positions. I'd venture to say if Dragic did not have contractual issues, the Suns would have chosen him over Lopez at #15 because he represented both quality and need at the Suns most vulnerable position... PG.

 

[okhoops]

At worst, I see Lopez as a Jeff Foster type--an unselfish, battler who crashes the boards and throws his body around. He'll block more shots than Foster. I know it'd be nice to get more in the first round but that late, it's not a bad pick. He seems to have good work ethic and could (in two years) develop into much more.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Agreed. We had a need for a defensive dirt worker--we got that. And no matter how much Ouchie wants to try to convince us a player as good as Lopez would have been there at 48, he's living in fantasy land.

where were powe, varejeo, pj brown, ced ceballos, dirtworkers drafted?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So I guess the question is this. Do you take a guy at #15 with great size who you feel has a 75% chance of being a solid, defensive minded center, or do you go for a home run like Greene who has maybe a 5-10% chance of being like Rashard Lewis a couple years down the road? I think when you feel that your championship window is still open you go for the big man who fills one of your biggest needs.

Joe

agreed joe. i guess i just don't agree that our championship window is still open, and that's why i swing for the fences.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No! - I wanna panic and be angry about a 20 yr old kid!
i KNOW he's gonna be a bust!
Suns should have drafted ____________ - he's a can't-miss STUD!

see, this is the type of stupid post that gets people riled up.

NO ONE SAID THERE WAS A "CAN'T-MISS STUD," did they? we just believe that we should draft a low-ceiling guy when you have the opportunity to draft a guy with HIGHER POTENTIAL. that's all most of us are arguing. we won't have a high draft pick next year, so why not try to squeeze the most outta this pick?

and to those saying that he's "ready now" (or by november, or whatever), how many rookies, especially non-shaq rookie centers, make any impact in their rookie season? very few if any. so if we're drafting him for NOW, that's kinda silly.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

okay, with some time, i'm a little more mellow.

i don't hate the kid. i don't think it was a great pick, but i don't hate the kid. i think he'll be servicable in the league, but i expect nothing more than that from him. i pollard may be a good comparison, which saddens me that we took pollard with the 15th pick.

i wish him nothing but the best and hope that he surprises me. if i could change the title of this thread, i would do so (but don't know how).

 

[Chaplin]

where were powe, varejeo, pj brown, ced ceballos, dirtworkers drafted?

Again, more irrelevant generalizations. Please tell me you have some other concrete reasons for hating Lopez.

Powe is a SCRUB. He had one good game during the Finals, and he's anointed as the second coming.

Varajao was drafted later than he would have originally been because of his contract situation.

PJ Brown and Ced Ceballos were from an era that is completely different than today's NBA. I find it funny that Ceballos is even listed in that group of players.

 

[Chaplin]

see, this is the type of stupid post that gets people riled up.

NO ONE SAID THERE WAS A "CAN'T-MISS STUD," did they? we just believe that we should draft a low-ceiling guy when you have the opportunity to draft a guy with HIGHER POTENTIAL. that's all most of us are arguing. we won't have a high draft pick next year, so why not try to squeeze the most outta this pick?

and to those saying that he's "ready now" (or by november, or whatever), how many rookies, especially non-shaq rookie centers, make any impact in their rookie season? very few if any. so if we're drafting him for NOW, that's kinda silly.

YOU have used the generalization that we might have passed up a Steve Nash or John Stockton in favor of Lopez. I'd say that's pretty close to "can't miss stud", don't you?

 

[Cheesewater]

where were powe, varejeo, pj brown, ced ceballos, dirtworkers drafted?

and how deep were those drafts?

 

[tobiazz]

YOU have used the generalization that we might have passed up a Steve Nash or John Stockton in favor of Lopez. I'd say that's pretty close to "can't miss stud", don't you?

Nash and Stockton were not "can't miss studs" when drafted, just guys with a high ceiling.

 

[Mulli]

Nash and Stockton were not "can't miss studs" when drafted, just guys with a high ceiling.

This thread has now spiraled to out of control proportions.

 

[AZBALLER]

What cracks me up is that the Suns have never won a championship and we've never had a "real" dominant center(Amare isn't a center, Nance wasn't a center, etc). Now we have Shaq and we drafted an athletic 7 footer who plays D and hustles and people are complaining for some reason...Small ball never got us a ring. I'm happy with the 15th selection of the draft.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

YOU have used the generalization that we might have passed up a Steve Nash or John Stockton in favor of Lopez. I'd say that's pretty close to "can't miss stud", don't you?

you COMPLETELY miss the point of the post. they were NOT "can't miss studs" at the time of their drafting, but they had potential. no one would say that their ceiling was anderson varejeo.

POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL
POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL

maybe if i type it enough times you'll understand.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

YOU have used the generalization that we might have passed up a Steve Nash or John Stockton in favor of Lopez. I'd say that's pretty close to "can't miss stud", don't you?

ps - explain to me how in the english language my conjecture that we may have passed up a steve nash or john stockton qualifies as a "generalization?" it's an opinion.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nash and Stockton were not "can't miss studs" when drafted, just guys with a high ceiling.

exactly.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What cracks me up is that the Suns have never won a championship and we've never had a "real" dominant center(Amare isn't a center, Nance wasn't a center, etc). Now we have Shaq and we drafted an athletic 7 footer who plays D and hustles and people are complaining for some reason...Small ball never got us a ring. I'm happy with the 15th selection of the draft.

you do know that we still don't have a "'real' dominant center," don't you? shaq is waaaaay past the point of "dominating" and i think even those that are in love with the pick will be willing to admit that lopez will never "dominate."

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

you COMPLETELY miss the point of the post. they were NOT "can't miss studs" at the time of their drafting, but they had potential. no one would say that their ceiling was anderson varejeo.

POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL
POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL

maybe if i type it enough times you'll understand.

Chaplin has been having some issues with semantics, oversimplifying and straight out comprehension lately. Starting to get old imo.

 

[AZBALLER]

you do know that we still don't have a "'real' dominant center," don't you? shaq is waaaaay past the point of "dominating" and i think even those that are in love with the pick will be willing to admit that lopez will never "dominate."

So name a better center tandem than Shaq and Lopez? With Amare and Diaw backing them up? Maybe 1 or 2 teams?

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

What cracks me up is that the Suns have never won a championship and we've never had a "real" dominant center(Amare isn't a center, Nance wasn't a center, etc). Now we have Shaq and we drafted an athletic 7 footer who plays D and hustles and people are complaining for some reason...Small ball never got us a ring. I'm happy with the 15th selection of the draft.

I think it's culture shock. The best thing we've had at the 5 in the last 20 years is Mark "foul called for blinking" West.

I personally am trying to welcome the fact that we have two true centers on the roster, but admit it will take some time.

I am proud to say I havent dissed Lopez (or shaq for that matter) yet and am eagerly awaiting the summer games.

 

[AZBALLER]

Mark West was the man(although all refs hated him for some reason). I agree with you there, and if it weren't for Magic Johnson, then maybe that young Suns team could have made a real run at the NBA title.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So name a better center tandem than Shaq and Lopez? With Amare and Diaw backing them up? Maybe 1 or 2 teams?

that's not what you said. you were throwing around the word "dominant." you want to make the argument that either of them are dominant?

 

[AZBALLER]

that's not what you said. you were throwing around the word "dominant." you want to make the argument that either of them are dominant?

What is the definition of dominant? If you are easily one of the best at what you do, then aren't you dominant?
Are you saying that there are ZERO dominant center tandems in the NBA?
I think the Suns are just as good as anyone at the Center position now(minus the Spurs). Does that not make them dominant at that position? Maybe someone could throw a few more teams in there?

 

[AZBALLER]

that's not what you said. you were throwing around the word "dominant." you want to make the argument that either of them are dominant?

Actually yes. I would say that Shaq is still dominant. Not as good as he used to be, but when you are the biggest and strongest player on the floor at all times, and the opposing team has to foul you in order to stop you from winning...Semantics I guess?