I like what I hear from Whiz in Urban's blog.

[THESMEL]

does Whiz know this offense? Mike Miller? Russ Grimm? QB coach Miller? what exactly is this offense?

pass 75% of the time with the worst QB in the NFL, keep RB on the bench cause they can't handle the pass rush every single down. Put pressure on yourself until you blow up or die?

I'll call it the

Ex's and No's offense. without the X's and O's! ENO

the same on Defense spells END! please for the love of beer! END

 

[Rivercard]

Yes, it was a mistake getting rid of Leinart when they did. Not convinced the record would be that much different.

I think we'd have several more wins with ol' Matty, including yesterday. For instance, Leinart most likely doesn't throw that rediculous pick at the end of the half and we kick a FG there. That one play is basically a 6 point swing going into the half.

I can think of dozens of plays in every game where a "safer" QB would have made a positive impact on the scoreboard. Just my opinion, wish I could prove it.

 

[Mulli]

I think we'd have several more wins with ol' Matty, including yesterday. For instance, Leinart most likely doesn't throw that rediculous pick at the end of the half and we kick a FG there. That one play is basically a 6 point swing going into the half.

I can think of dozens of plays in every game where a "safer" QB would have made a positive impact on the scoreboard. Just my opinion, wish I could prove it.

I have seen ML throw many ridiculous picks. More than TD's actually.

 

[Shane]

I think we'd have several more wins with ol' Matty, including yesterday. For instance, Leinart most likely doesn't throw that rediculous pick at the end of the half and we kick a FG there. That one play is basically a 6 point swing going into the half.

I can think of dozens of plays in every game where a "safer" QB would have made a positive impact on the scoreboard. Just my opinion, wish I could prove it.

Yea I don't think you can just assume that Matt wouldn't throw a ridiculous int. His history certainly doesn't show that.

 

[Mulli]

Yea I don't think you can just assume that Matt wouldn't throw a ridiculous int. His history certainly doesn't show that.

He might not have thrown that particular one, because it was too far downfield, but since it was that far down field, it probably is picked off.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We all kind of thought DA could be bad but I doubt any of us thought he could be a bad as he has played. He's easliy been the worst QB in the league.

i beg to differ. if you'll go back to preseason i'm fairly certain that you'll see my full-blown panic thread.

 

[WildBB]

On a more positive note , does anyone think that the coach and FO "agreed" to part ways with Leinart in order to solidify the deal to get Docktt extended?

I can also see where the coach, in no small way wanted anything to do with going forward with this team, with Leinart at the helm. BUT he showed more in last season's game against Tenn. than anything that transpired in the PS, or obviously throughout this regular season to warrant the coaches opinion.

Really, going to some obscure pre-season game to solidify an argument about Leinart not knowing the offense, when he had previous succuss is not a valid reason for this coach to cut ties. He had to have made his mind up before the fact (preseason) to take it in a different direction. And I know that has previously been a topic of hot discussion on this board previously.

Point is the staff screwed the pooch on this one. Maybe to try and make themselves look good to the FO. (Money savings and Dockett ext.)

 

[Dayman]

No matter what the circumstances, the fact that Whis ever felt that DA and Hall could produce this season is extremely troubling.

To put things in perspective

Ryan Leaf's worst season-39.0 rating
Max Hall-35.7 rating

 

[Mulli]

i beg to differ. if you'll go back to preseason i'm fairly certain that you'll see my full-blown panic thread.

You have one of those every year.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You have one of those every year.

Zing!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/12/06/whiz-re-visits-handling-of-qb-position/

It's kind of telling. Obviously the team didn't like Leinart anddon't think he earned anything, especially their respect and, if Whiz knew things would be this bad, he would have kept ML. But DA and Hall have played so bad that they didn't see that happening. We all kind of thought DA could be bad but I doubt any of us thought he could be a bad as he has played. He's easliy been the worst QB in the league.

You like it? I hear the same thing I've heard all along. The best he said is 'hindsight is 20/20.'

I see a lot of rhetoric and lack of personal responsibility.

 

[Mulli]

You like it? I hear the same thing I've heard all along. The best he said is 'hindsight is 20/20.'

I see a lot of rhetoric and lack of personal responsibility.

Standard Operating Procedure for NFL head coaches.

 

[Duckjake]

Yea I don't think you can just assume that Matt wouldn't throw a ridiculous int. His history certainly doesn't show that.

Sadly the last couple of years in Arizona Matt no longer seemed to resemble the guy who played so well against the Bears in '06 and threw for over 400 yards against Minnesota setting an NFL record for rookies that same season.

Looked more like the guy who played against Oakland, Green Bay and Dallas that year.

Don't know what happened but it sucks for him and us.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow Shane really you still can't admit your boy Whiz screwed the pooch on cutting Leinart? For christ sakes anyone who does't think this team is way better off with Leinart at QB at this point is just flat ignorant! Our coach is flat out stupid you dont' cut the veteran who has been in the system for years and knows the offense better than any of the QB's possibly could and sat and learned from a HOF for a few years! Whiz f'd up deal with it and it sounds to me in this article he STILL is not accepeting responsibility for one of the dumbest decisions a HC in Arizona has EVER made!!!

i think whiz has been a complete idiot this offseason and in-season. but i don't think a single one of us can say this team "is way better off with leinart at QB." i think THAT's an ignorant statement. we don't know how it would be with matt. your statement is conjecture at it's best, and just worthless at it's worst.

when watching matty in the preason it sure didn't look like he knew the system, had learned anything from a HOF, or anything else other than how to checkdown immediately and not pick up first downs.

and mind you, i'm not in any camp here. i was excited for matt when we drafted him. and still had hope for him coming into this season. but a lot of you are spewing revisionist or delusionary drivel on this topic.

 

[Second Deck]

Because in pre-season he was running plays with WR's lined in the wrong places as told by Whiz in post game pressers/interviews. It was talked about ad nauseum on here.

The coach in the post game PC would allude to the above fact and how frustrating it was and used it as an excuse for not scoring. A QB who has been in the the system for 4 years shouldn't be running plays with WR's lining up in the wrong spot. No way no how.

It was pretty bad when you would see a guy like DA come in and notice it and tell the WR where to line up only being here a few months.

I guess he did not know the playbook when he had the Cards in the game against the Titans last year when Warner was out and the defense let Young have a 90 yard drive to win the game.

Whiz and his arrogant attitude needs to hit the road to be stupid enough to cut ML and keep Anderson and two rooks.

 

[Shane]

Sadly the last couple of years in Arizona Matt no longer seemed to resemble the guy who played so well against the Bears in '06 and threw for over 400 yards against Minnesota setting an NFL record for rookies that same season.

Looked more like the guy who played against Oakland, Green Bay and Dallas that year.

Don't know what happened but it sucks for him and us.

Absolutely gun shy and afraid of getting hit IMO.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

i think whiz has been a complete idiot this offseason and in-season. but i don't think a single one of us can say this team "is way better off with leinart at QB." i think THAT's an ignorant statement. we don't know how it would be with matt. your statement is conjecture at it's best, and just worthless at it's worst.

when watching matty in the preason it sure didn't look like he knew the system, had learned anything from a HOF, or anything else other than how to checkdown immediately and not pick up first downs.

and mind you, i'm not in any camp here. i was excited for matt when we drafted him. and still had hope for him coming into this season. but a lot of you are spewing revisionist or delusionary drivel on this topic.

BUT WHIZ IS TEH IDIOT!!! HE DOESN"T NO ANYTHING!!! MATT LENART IS A NIGHT IN ARMOR WHO WOULD HAVE LED US TO THE SUPER BOWL AND SOLVED WORLD HUNGER!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You have one of those every year.

lol.

but not specifically about derek anderson!

 

[Rivercard]

Yea I don't think you can just assume that Matt wouldn't throw a ridiculous int. His history certainly doesn't show that.

Well, history books have seperate chapters for each era. When Matt was considered the leader he was fairly effective (i.e. solid game in Monday Night Meltdown vs Bears). When he was relegated to mopping up after Kurt, not so much.

 

[Mulli]

I guess he did not know the playbook when he had the Cards in the game against the Titans last year when Warner was out and the defense let Young have a 90 yard drive to win the game.

Whiz and his arrogant attitude needs to hit the road to be stupid enough to cut ML and keep Anderson and two rooks.

Leinart led them to 10 points. Big whoop.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Because in pre-season he was running plays with WR's lined in the wrong places as told by Whiz in post game pressers/interviews. It was talked about ad nauseum on here.

Not by you though.

Let's keep talking about it. WR lined up in the wrong spot when the QB calls it is on the WR at first, not the QB. The QB options at this point (if the play clock are low) are to call the play anyway, call timeout, or take a delay of game.

Out of these 3 scenarios, calling the play anyway could be the best course of action depending on circumstance.

That single play call was so blown out of proportion; I think it helped his agenda in regards to cutting Matt.

 

[Shane]

I guess he did not know the playbook when he had the Cards in the game against the Titans last year when Warner was out and the defense let Young have a 90 yard drive to win the game.

Yea that game where he only managed to put a total of 10 points on the board and had to run a simpler dumbed down game plan? Yup he still didn't know the playbook like he should even by then in year 3.

:iwin:

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I guess he did not know the playbook when he had the Cards in the game against the Titans last year when Warner was out and the defense let Young have a 90 yard drive to win the game.

Whiz and his arrogant attitude needs to hit the road to be stupid enough to cut ML and keep Anderson and two rooks.

maybe my memory is faulty, but didn't matty only lead us to something like 7 points in that game and the rest were the result of the defense (that proceeded to then rollover)? that doesn't make that game performance any more impressive than derek anderson's first ram's game.

 

[Mulli]

Well, history books have seperate chapters for each era. When Matt was considered the leader he was fairly effective (i.e. solid game in Monday Night Meltdown vs Bears). When he was relegated to mopping up after Kurt, not so much.

So effective, they ran into eight (plus) man fronts over and over and over.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Leinart led them to 10 points. Big whoop.

ah, 10 points. my mistake.