I think Najee Harris is in play.

[Solar7]

So what you are saying is that we could possibly have a top 5 or 10 back for the next four years as Kyler is entering his prime playing in a mercenary league of free agency? Well, I am totally cool with that

Seriously! This and next year are our window under this GM and HC. "Building for the future" is rebuild territory, mostly.

 

[PACardsFan]

Posts like this is confusing to me when other posts (at least one), says he brings size, speed, and vision. Which is it? Speed or no speed?
So, to you, what is too slow? (I don't know his pro day numbers and how they compare) .

Edit :
Sorry, I posted before I saw your answer to PACardsFan.

I’ve read where he has run a 4.41. When you’re 6’2 & 230 lbs, that’s hardly slow. Reggie Bush called Harris a more athletic version of Derrick Henry. Cardinals have NEVER had anyone like Harris before.

 

[GatorAZ]

F

Fwiw, Richardson failed because of the person he was, not the player he was.

T-Rich was one of the surest things coming out I can remember but dude got fat and quit. He was amazing in college.

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[az jam]

Harris may be better than anyone else on the board at #16. If so, why not take him. He can be a quality starter this year.

 

[SECTION 11]

Nothing helps your passing game like punishing corners with your running back.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I’ve read where he has run a 4.41. When you’re 6’2 & 230 lbs, that’s hardly slow. Reggie Bush called Harris a more athletic version of Derrick Henry. Cardinals have NEVER had anyone like Harris before.

The current Cardinals, no... but OJ Anderson says hello

 

[HairZach]

For all the talk of Harris giving us power between the tackles, he is really good at receiving out of the backfield as well. I think he'd be the pick that improves our offense the most.

 

[SECTION 11]

The notion that the NFL is now this or that is nonsense.

How do you scheme on defense against Murray, Hopkins, and Harris?

 

[PACardsFan]

The current Cardinals, no... but OJ Anderson says hello

Yes, Ottis was a beast for 5-6 seasons. And like Harris, he could catch the ball out of the backfield too. Both men were 6'2". Hard to believe that Harris is 10 lbs heavier, as OJ seemed monstrous. I think it was the humongous shoulder pads that he wore. A very good comparison though & I would LOVE to have that kind of weapon again!

 

[Shane]

The notion that the NFL is now this or that is nonsense.

How do you scheme on defense against Murray, Hopkins, and Harris?

With our head coach who is technically the offense of coordinators it seems rather easy actually

 

[QuebecCard]

With our head coach who is technically the offense of coordinators it seems rather easy actually

Coordinators say that it takes a College QB two years to learn an offence and add a year to understand the tendencies of NFL defences. KM, who had 17 starts at UNI, is on record pace after two seasons under the tutelage of you know who.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

With our head coach who is technically the offense of coordinators it seems rather easy actually

We need to see some major changes from KK this year

Where is that offensive genius we were promised?

 

[slanidrac16]

I want a quality player with the first pick and one that can contribute right now. If we add Harris the rb room suddenly looks like a strength. If Harris was faster he would never get to 16.

I like a home run hitter. That being said I don’t think Harris fills that bill. He is a back that’s going to get better as the game wears on. He will need 20 carries a game but I don’t think he’ll get that in this offense and that scares me.

I think Connor fills the short yardage “ slower” guy opposite of Edmonds. Entiene might be more of what Kingsbury would like.

please note I’m not saying we should draft Entiene ( at 16 ), But this offense is never going to turn into the Titans offense where they give it to Henry 25 times. That’s where The value of Harris is diminished.

I think Harris is going to be pretty darn good. But unless Kingsbury is prepared to use him as the featured back, which I don’t think he will, he will not have the impact we are hoping for.

 

[Gandhi]

If Keim takes a runningback in the first round I will consider it his biggest draft blunder ever. With every other first round selection there has at least been some reason to it, but wasting a first round pick on a runningback, when you can easily find productive ones later on?

I have 14 players with first round grades overall, including eight I would be fine with the Cards selecting, and absolutely no runningback are close to either one.

 

[Stout]

If Keim takes a runningback in the first round I will consider it his biggest draft blunder ever. With every other first round selection there has at least been some reason to it, but wasting a first round pick on a runningback, when you can easily find productive ones later on?

I have 14 players with first round grades overall, including eight I would be fine with the Cards selecting, and absolutely no runningback are close to either one.

False. You CAN find productive ones later. Easily don't enter into it.

 

[Solar7]

If Keim takes a runningback in the first round I will consider it his biggest draft blunder ever. With every other first round selection there has at least been some reason to it, but wasting a first round pick on a runningback, when you can easily find productive ones later on?

I have 14 players with first round grades overall, including eight I would be fine with the Cards selecting, and absolutely no runningback are close to either one.

The numbers don't really support this claim, unless you mean rounds 2 and 3. And well... we only have one of those picks. 5th and beyond you have a very low chance of even getting a guy who will start 5 games in his career for you. (The past 5 years say that's a 17% chance. For 5 games.)

 

[QuebecCard]

I want a quality player with the first pick and one that can contribute right now. If we add Harris the rb room suddenly looks like a strength. If Harris was faster he would never get to 16.

I like a home run hitter. That being said I don’t think Harris fills that bill. He is a back that’s going to get better as the game wears on. He will need 20 carries a game but I don’t think he’ll get that in this offense and that scares me.

I think Connor fills the short yardage “ slower” guy opposite of Edmonds. Entiene might be more of what Kingsbury would like.

please note I’m not saying we should draft Entiene ( at 16 ), But this offense is never going to turn into the Titans offense where they give it to Henry 25 times. That’s where The value of Harris is diminished.

I think Harris is going to be pretty darn good. But unless Kingsbury is prepared to use him as the featured back, which I don’t think he will, he will not have the impact we are hoping for.

ETIENNE.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know which excites me less, a RB or an ILB. But, whatever.

If it is a RB, Etienne is my #3 option behind Williams and Harris. From what we have seen from our offense the ability to find the hole or hit the cutback quickly and break tackles is more important than pass catching.

In terms of LB, I guess Collins makes sense if we want to put him on the edge and have a EDGE player who has more experience dropping into coverage than rushing off the edge...I can't believe I just wrote that. I think Collins can stick but we are again drafting a player to be used in a different role than he was in college. A unique concept would be to draft a more natural pass rusher to be a pass rusher but what do I know.

Maybe it is all for naught and we take one of the big 9 (if you add in the Slim Reaper, Devonta Smith). Normally I am out on WRs in round 1, but I would actually like to see our 4 wide concepts being used ala Buffalo last year and that requires WRs. Hell, we may even have enough line talent to do it.

 

[SECTION 11]

If Keim takes a runningback in the first round I will consider it his biggest draft blunder ever. With every other first round selection there has at least been some reason to it, but wasting a first round pick on a runningback, when you can easily find productive ones later on?

I have 14 players with first round grades overall, including eight I would be fine with the Cards selecting, and absolutely no runningback are close to either one.

The easily find one later on bit is just flat out wrong. Does it happen yes, is it easy no.

 

[SECTION 11]

ETIENNE.

Stop with that nonsense.

 

[slanidrac16]

ETIENNE.

Tell that to spellcheck! Lol

 

[Gandhi]

False. You CAN find productive ones later. Easily don't enter into it.

Yes, you are absolutely right, Stout. It was a bad choice of words. Everything is difficult this weekend. My mistake.

 

[Gandhi]

The numbers don't really support this claim, unless you mean rounds 2 and 3. And well... we only have one of those picks. 5th and beyond you have a very low chance of even getting a guy who will start 5 games in his career for you. (The past 5 years say that's a 17% chance. For 5 games.)

I don’t know, Solar. All four statistics, efficiency, rush yards over expected, rush yard over expected per attempt and rush percentage over expected according to NextGen stats has nine out of the top 15 runningbacks drafted after the second round. And the minority of them were drafted in the third round.

 

[Gandhi]

The easily find one later on bit is just flat out wrong. Does it happen yes, is it easy no.

You are fully correct, Section. I wrote it wrong.

 

[Solar7]

I don’t know, Solar. All four statistics, efficiency, rush yards over expected, rush yard over expected per attempt and rush percentage over expected according to NextGen stats has nine out of the top 15 runningbacks drafted after the second round. And the minority of them were drafted in the third round.

So... the second round?

Honestly, not sure how much I need to repost it, as I've posted it in multiple threads, but without the major outliers of Jordan Howard, Aaron Jones, and Chris Carson, RB picks after the 4th round are a complete wasteland of production. Teams aren't finding all of these late round gems you guys seem to think they are. Once you get past the 3rd round, production starts to fall off a cliff.