I'm Calling My Shot: Newton is a Bust

[Stout]

Yeah, I can see this overly arrogant kid developing REAL well with Whisenhunt...'cause Whis will be plenty patient with that kind of QB prospect

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, I can see this overly arrogant kid developing REAL well with Whisenhunt...'cause Whis will be plenty patient with that kind of QB prospect

Where is this reputation for arrogance coming from? Did people actually read the quote from Newton without Hench's rabble-rousing:

“It’s just a God thing. I thank God every single day. I’m just His instrument and He’s using me on a consistent basis daily… He’s using me to extend His word, and I’m a prime example of how God can turn something that was bad into something that was very great.”

This is a kid who took time off during football season to go and visit an underprivileged school regularly. Is there any question that Cam Newton has God-given talents for playing this game? His father's a minister, for Christ's sake. I hear normal kids talk like this all the time.

Lotta this going around in this thread:

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Let's make sure we pick up the kid with the coke problem.

 

[juza76]

Where is this reputation for arrogance coming from? Did people actually read the quote from Newton without Hench's rabble-rousing:



This is a kid who took time off during football season to go and visit an underprivileged school regularly. Is there any question that Cam Newton has God-given talents for playing this game? His father's a minister, for Christ's sake. I hear normal kids talk like this all the time.

Lotta this going around in this thread:

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Let's make sure we pick up the kid with the coke problem.

i am in the camwagon too..looks like all the people here just know how will be the future..lets wait a bit before judge

 

[jefftheshark]

Cam Newton is a polarizing figure. I think the upside of him (a faster Josh Freeman, a bigger Michael Vick, a Vince Young with his head on straight, Tim Tebow with settled fundamentals, Ben Roethlisberger without the bathroom) is worth the risk, because if he hits, you have a transcendental quarterback. I don't that Cam Newton will redefine the QB position; I don't think you'll need an offensive mind to design a system around Newton (like you had to with Vick and Bush, maybe). I think that Cam Newton can do everything you ask him to.

But I could be wrong. There isn't the evidence on him to be sure, and that's where the risk lies.

If you're right, we won't draft him, if you're wrong - we probably will.

Cardinals 101

JTS

 

[Early]

He is going to a bust in similar way to Vince Young. He will have some stats and flashes, but will never become a good starting QB in the pros.

He is not a good passer, very inaccurate and can't scan the field.

He is the best scrambler i have seen since Michael Vick. And that will make him very dangerous and will ensure that he gets some solid games against teams that don't know how to gameplan against running QB's. Vick is ten times better, and even with him we saw that his style of play doesn't stand a chance once you are in the playoffs, it's so easy for the best defensive coaches to gameplan against this. It does not win you championships. You need to dominate in the pocket as passer to be the ultimate mismatch.

He is extremely elusive and fast. That's why he won't bust in Jamarcus Russell way.

However, it comes down to his passing abilities wheter he will really make it or not. And it comes down to his personality. Both are very negative for the pro game at the moment, and in the end, i don't think he makes a good starter at all.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Of course you gotta get in first if you're stealing a laptop.



I can't make my mind up on Newton to be honest I know someone who is a big Auburn fan and knows a couple of the reporters and their comments are eerily similar to what people said about OJ Mayo at USC. Basically that he seems like a good kid, yes sir no sir etc, but you can't help but get this feeling everytime you interview him that he's just saying what he thinks you want him to say, he's not really answering your questions.

I just can't believe he didn't do what has been alleged there's just too much smoke, so the question becomes will his questionable character be a issue that holds him back as a player(like it has with Mayo) or will people forget all about it because he's such a great player?

+1 Totally agree.

 

[Southpaw]

ugh.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/cam-newton-already-a-legend-in-his-own-mind-022511

Wow. Just read that article. Now that is a take on this guy's psyche. Maybe I am one of the few, but whenever I see Cam with that ever present pie eating grin, I just don't see serious professionalism spewing from him. I see a clown. I could be completely wrong about him, but if I was a GM, he would scare hell out of me.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Did he buy a stolen laptop his frosh year? He'll tell you that he did, and he tried to hide it from the cops. Did his dad pimp him around the SEC? Sure. Does that somehow mean that he's not going to be a good quarterback? I don't know.

Opposing fans will hate Newton for all the other B.S., but it's not because his parents took money from agents at USC that Reggie Bush didn't redefine the RB position in the NFL; it's that Reggie Bush wasn't physical enough to stand up to the beating of the NFL. Does anything about Cam Newton speak to him being uncoachable? Does anything about Cam Newton speak to his inability to lead an offense? Heck, no. Cam Newton lead the SEC equivalent of the Minnesota Vikings to a National Championship.

Newton (maybe) transferred out of Florida not because he cheated (maybe), but because Tim Tebow decided to come back for his senior season. Newton was only going to have one year of FBS starting experience no matter what happened (whether he cheated or not).

From a personal point of view, the guy comes from a strong, two-parent household (which was apparently the real concern about Vince Young), and he's had success wherever he's played. If he'd stayed at Florida and won a national championship with them (any doubt about that happening?), would these same questions come up?

Cam Newton is a polarizing figure. I think the upside of him (a faster Josh Freeman, a bigger Michael Vick, a Vince Young with his head on straight, Tim Tebow with settled fundamentals, Ben Roethlisberger without the bathroom) is worth the risk, because if he hits, you have a transcendental quarterback. I don't that Cam Newton will redefine the QB position; I don't think you'll need an offensive mind to design a system around Newton (like you had to with Vick and Bush, maybe). I think that Cam Newton can do everything you ask him to.

But I could be wrong. There isn't the evidence on him to be sure, and that's where the risk lies.

I do agree his potential is quite high, but I think he's much more of a turd than you're making him out. IMO all signs point to him being your typical arrogant, prima donna player.

 

[Stout]

Uh, K9? That's some pretty heavy God drivel. I'd roll my eyes at any kid saying stuff like that. Instrument of God? Good lord, how arrogant.

Thing is, I wasn't even referencing this statement of his. I didn't even know he said it. I was referring to his previous idiotic statements. So yeah, layer this on top of it, and it's even worse to me. Thanks for bringing this new stuff to my attention

 

[desertdawg]

Haters gonna hate, even when Newton is busting records, they will still hate. They might even dedicate a thread to hate'n on him, I can understand.

I started one about that annoying ESPN lady, but at least I have seen her do her job, and that is where my distaste came from. Her performance, while Cam's performance has been nothing short of awesome. His so called problems never follow him to the field, but hate away my bust thirsty friends.

 

[Buckybird]

He is going to a bust in similar way to Vince Young. He will have some stats and flashes, but will never become a good starting QB in the pros.

He is not a good passer, very inaccurate and can't scan the field.

He is the best scrambler i have seen since Michael Vick. And that will make him very dangerous and will ensure that he gets some solid games against teams that don't know how to gameplan against running QB's. Vick is ten times better, and even with him we saw that his style of play doesn't stand a chance once you are in the playoffs, it's so easy for the best defensive coaches to gameplan against this. It does not win you championships. You need to dominate in the pocket as passer to be the ultimate mismatch.

He is extremely elusive and fast. That's why he won't bust in Jamarcus Russell way.

However, it comes down to his passing abilities wheter he will really make it or not. And it comes down to his personality. Both are very negative for the pro game at the moment, and in the end, i don't think he makes a good starter at all.

Well said Early.

I don't think he's JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf...but he's also not Brady, Manning or even Vick. IMO his upside doesn't outweigh his red flags as a #1 pick.

 

[Duckjake]

He should have just continued and said that two years ago, he was playing against NJCAA competition that rivals most high schools across the nation.

Not anywhere near true. Texas High Schools are better than most of the other High Schools across the Nation. The Texas JCs are 2nd team High School All Star squads and often have some excellent players who simply didn't make the SAT to get into a 4 year. There isn't a High School in the Country that could come within 45 points of a TX JC squad.

In fact I would wager Blinn JC could beat Fordham easily.

 

[Pariah]

lebron does all the same crap newton is doing now and he is the best player in the world.

Come on, you know just as well as I do that Basketball lends itself much easier to a "me first" attitude than does football which requires 11 guys being highly orchestrated to succeed over the long-haul.

dude just wins games and that is a fact.

What is a fact is that he WON games. If he can win games in the NFL has yet to be seen.

 

[Duckjake]

Come on, you know just as well as I do that Basketball lends itself much easier to a "me first" attitude than does football which requires 11 guys being highly orchestrated to succeed over the long-haul.

What is a fact is that he WON games. If he can win games in the NFL has yet to be seen.

That doesn't mean anything. Vince Young won more regular season games than Kurt Warner 2006-2009.

 

[kerouac9]

Well said Early.

I don't think he's JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf...but he's also not Brady, Manning or even Vick. IMO his upside doesn't outweigh his red flags as a #1 pick.

What are these red flags, again? Which are the ones that are football-related?

 

[Pariah]

What are these red flags, again? Which are the ones that are football-related?

First, I don't accept the premise that red flags have to be "football-related." There are plenty of character red flags, and those could very well have an affect on how he does in the NFL.

But here are a couple that have been cited as potential problems:
~Ran a spread offense
~Has shown issues with his dropback (lack of urgency)
~flatfooted delivery

I think he's a really, really (really) talented QB. But that doesn't always equate to success in the NFL.

I just think he's going to struggle at the next level. Just my opinion.

 

[Buckybird]

What are these red flags, again? Which are the ones that are football-related?

I guess Lawrence Phillips football skills outweighed his red flags too

K9, NFL teams can't afford to look at just skills on the field, it just doesn't happen when your staking a claim to the future of your team.

 

[Pariah]

I guess Lawrence Phillips football skills outweighed his red flags too

I know you're exaggerating, but to be fair, Newton is just immature (IMO) and is going to have trouble adjusting to a league where everyone is the best of the best every time he steps on the field. I think he's used to being god's gift to football. That's going to be a big adjustment for him, I think.

He's not a criminal or even a bad person.

Hey, if he becomes a star, more power to him. I liked watching him play at Auburn this past season. I don't have anything against him. The NFL could use more quality QBs...I hope he adds to our entertainment from the game.

 

[Mulli]

Going to wait and see with the kid.

 

[Stout]

Haters gonna hate, even when Newton is busting records, they will still hate. They might even dedicate a thread to hate'n on him, I can understand.

I started one about that annoying ESPN lady, but at least I have seen her do her job, and that is where my distaste came from. Her performance, while Cam's performance has been nothing short of awesome. His so called problems never follow him to the field, but hate away my bust thirsty friends.

Point by point.

1-You're too biased on the issue. In your mind he's already a HOF QB, and anyone that contradicts you is dismissed out of hand. How about saying IF he busts records in the NFL. When you say WHEN, your argument becomes void.

2-Actually, his 'so-called' problems chased him away from the field. Oh, that's another spot for your bias--'so-called problems'. None of them were 'so-called'. He HAD problems in college, and your man-crush can't make them disappear.

But to the point at hand, his real, concrete problems, problems with the law and with maturity, caused him to leave the NCAA. He had to transfer away from a major program, regroup his image at a far lower level, and come back again. That means his problems have already translated to the field.

This is the NFL. He can't go away for a year to the UFL and come back to the same situation if he screws up that bad. That's the risk a team will take with Newton. Is he just saying all the right things about his life? The problem with accepting his reformation at face value is that he continues to run his mouth like an idiot. It goes a long way counting against him, and it will hurt him in draft position, IMO.

Look, you love the kid as a prospect. I get that. Maybe when you stop stating for a fact how good he'll be you'll be taken a little more seriously on the topic.

 

[TJ]

Not anywhere near true. Texas High Schools are better than most of the other High Schools across the Nation. The Texas JCs are 2nd team High School All Star squads and often have some excellent players who simply didn't make the SAT to get into a 4 year. There isn't a High School in the Country that could come within 45 points of a TX JC squad.

In fact I would wager Blinn JC could beat Fordham easily.

The bottom line is the competition is still extremely inferior.

In a typical JC team, there are star players, but the vast majority are kids who had no shot at playing even in NAIA and wanted to take another shot at going to a real university. They not only have scholastic issues, but they bring along attitudes and off-the-field situations which hinder their focus on field.

So in essence, NJCAA is not much better than a Texas high school. And it does not help that Newton, only two years ago, was playing in that much inferior level. it would be like Dirk Nowitzki playing basketball at Northern Arizona Univ and dominating teams in the Big Sky conference

 

[Mulli]

Point by point.

1-You're too biased on the issue. In your mind he's already a HOF QB, and anyone that contradicts you is dismissed out of hand. How about saying IF he busts records in the NFL. When you say WHEN, your argument becomes void.

2-Actually, his 'so-called' problems chased him away from the field. Oh, that's another spot for your bias--'so-called problems'. None of them were 'so-called'. He HAD problems in college, and your man-crush can't make them disappear.

But to the point at hand, his real, concrete problems, problems with the law and with maturity, caused him to leave the NCAA. He had to transfer away from a major program, regroup his image at a far lower level, and come back again. That means his problems have already translated to the field.

This is the NFL. He can't go away for a year to the UFL and come back to the same situation if he screws up that bad. That's the risk a team will take with Newton. Is he just saying all the right things about his life? The problem with accepting his reformation at face value is that he continues to run his mouth like an idiot. It goes a long way counting against him, and it will hurt him in draft position, IMO.

Look, you love the kid as a prospect. I get that. Maybe when you stop stating for a fact how good he'll be you'll be taken a little more seriously on the topic.

Michael Vick came back.

 

[kerouac9]

The bottom line is the competition is still extremely inferior.

In a typical JC team, there are star players, but the vast majority are kids who had no shot at playing even in NAIA and wanted to take another shot at going to a real university. They not only have scholastic issues, but they bring along attitudes and off-the-field situations which hinder their focus on field.

So in essence, NJCAA is not much better than a Texas high school. And it does not help that Newton, only two years ago, was playing in that much inferior level. it would be like Dirk Nowitzki playing basketball at Northern Arizona Univ and dominating teams in the Big Sky conference

I'm not sure you're making a real distinction. He wasn't going to play at Florida in the 2009 season regardless because Tim Tebow was trying to become a passing quarterback. It's not like Newton couldn't get into a 4-year college for football (unlike Aaron Rogers, who lucked into Cal when Tedford visited his JC scouting another player); after Tebow decided to come back for his senior year, Newton was only going to have one year's starting experience, regardless.

 

[Early]

Michael Vick came back.

And he failed once again big time when it mattered the most. Eagles had a team capable of a championship.

You need to be a fantastic passer to win in these games. Their chances would be much better with Kolb.

Newton reminds in his skillset of Vick, but Vick is just much better.

 

[TJ]

I'm not sure you're making a real distinction. He wasn't going to play at Florida in the 2009 season regardless because Tim Tebow was trying to become a passing quarterback. It's not like Newton couldn't get into a 4-year college for football (unlike Aaron Rogers, who lucked into Cal when Tedford visited his JC scouting another player); after Tebow decided to come back for his senior year, Newton was only going to have one year's starting experience, regardless.

Then he should have gone to another 4 year college. Juco doesnt help him at all. Just shows he's better than a bunch of above average high school players. IMO, he would have been better served staying at Florida and learning under Urban Myer and Tebow, unless he was kicked out of UF as rumors have stated. Perhaps his dad wouldnt try and bribe schools for his services and benefit financially from his kid's skills.

In all honesty I dont think you are taking into consideration the many off-the-field issues this guy is going to bring with him to the league. I know you want to draw comparisons to Elway and Cutler to prove a point, but they had small problems when compared side-to-side with Newton. Do you think his recent remarks and cocky personality are going to be welcomed in a veteran laden locker room?

Physically, he is your prototyical QB; however, if these issues continue to augment, he will be the equivalent to a Corvette with no engine.