I'm starting to think there's a chance

[Lex]

Did you catch the Sports Illustrated article where they rated the QB situation of all NFL teams?

#1 Eagles.
#2 Broncos.







#30 Cardinals.

What the heck does Sports Illustrated know. HA. Idiots.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Well, I seem to remember a Plummer that according to those that are close to the team, didn't watch film much or practice at the facility in the off season. He played hard, but made a lot of mistakes, and I'm beginning to wonder if his lack of preparation is part of the reason.

I remember Boston as a guy that flew the coop as soon as he was able to, after telling the fans for 2 years that he wanted to stay.

I am glad Plummer is gone no doubt and I personally feel Blake will be a "MAJOR" upgrade!

That being said I will admit that regardless of what Jakes off-seasons preps were he did represent this team with class and dignity epescially with the fans! His ad in the paper just personifies that! I will miss him and Frank Sanders at camp!

I could only hope that t here are players as fan friendly as those two!

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Shane H
No it isnt. The guy hasent played a whole season for a multitude of reasons.

Whats in the past is just that in the past. Injuries are freak things and sometimes some guys have the breaks and others dont.

If Blake makes it through 16 aqnd Jake only plays 10 this year does that make him all of a sudden more durable? NO!

Its just the breaks and how the cookie crumbled this season!

So the fact that Blake hasn't either earned a starting job or made it through an entire season for half a decade should just be disregarded? Wow. I guess that's a way to look at it.

Krang, you remember all the bad about former Cards if you want to. I'll remember Boston as a Top 10 WR who never talked bad to the press about the team, and the best draft pick of the Cards in a decade. I'll remember Jake as the guy who orchestrated a last-second comeback at the Vet, who kept me in the stands through the last five minutes of the fourth quarter, even if we were down by three touchdowns.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
So the fact that Blake hasn't either earned a starting job or made it through an entire season for half a decade should just be disregarded? Wow. I guess that's a way to look at it.

Krang, you remember all the bad about former Cards if you want to. I'll remember Boston as a Top 10 WR who never talked bad to the press about the team, and the best draft pick of the Cards in a decade. I'll remember Jake as the guy who orchestrated a last-second comeback at the Vet, who kept me in the stands through the last five minutes of the fourth quarter, even if we were down by three touchdowns.

No other former Cards I don't think badly of....In fact a lot of them I cheer for.

It is just hard for me to pull for a guy that now has had his effort questioned (while making 30 mill).

And it is hard to pull for a guy that pouted on the sidelines like a little girl last year, and generally didn't interract with the rest of the team. Boston obviously could have cared less for the team I love, and that makes me careless about him.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
So the fact that Blake hasn't either earned a starting job or made it through an entire season for half a decade should just be disregarded? Wow. I guess that's a way to look at it.

Krang, you remember all the bad about former Cards if you want to. I'll remember Boston as a Top 10 WR who never talked bad to the press about the team, and the best draft pick of the Cards in a decade. I'll remember Jake as the guy who orchestrated a last-second comeback at the Vet, who kept me in the stands through the last five minutes of the fourth quarter, even if we were down by three touchdowns.

Exactly I do disregard it because this is a new season and a new start for Blake! Much like I think Plummer will be a better QB in Denver than he was here!

His stats dont lie he is an above average QB not great I agree but more then capable of leading a team in the NFL!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Lex
Did you catch the Sports Illustrated article where they rated the QB situation of all NFL teams?

#1 Eagles.
#2 Broncos.







#30 Cardinals.

What the heck does Sports Illustrated know. HA. Idiots.

Yeah, the do pick the Super Bowl winner every year! And every other prediction they make comes true!

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No other former Cards I don't think badly of....In fact a lot of them I cheer for.

Really? Who? I can barely think of former Cards besides Rice and Pittman who are still even in the NFL. I'm sure you don't cheer for Tommy Knight or Simeon. I think I remember you talking bad about MarTay when he signed with the Falcs. What former Cards do you cheer for? Steve Buerlein?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Shane H
Exactly I do disregard it because this is a new season and a new start for Blake!

That's insane. Let's bring Ryan Leaf in for a new season and a new start as long as we're at it. Perhaps Cade McNown is out there somewhere. Hell, Akili Smith might be available via trade!

Also, I believe the Giovanni Carmazzi might be coaxed out of inactivity. He just needs his shot.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Really? Who? I can barely think of former Cards besides Rice and Pittman who are still even in the NFL. I'm sure you don't cheer for Tommy Knight or Simeon. I think I remember you talking bad about MarTay when he signed with the Falcs. What former Cards do you cheer for? Steve Buerlein?

I personally cheer for Garrison Hearst as I will TJ whne he is gone as well!

I also used to cheer for Tim Mcdonald prior to retirement!

I was happy for Pitt last year he was always 100% pure class to my 8 year old son talking to him at length!

I also cheer for Corey Chavous another class individual!

Simeon can go suck a**!

I do wish Plummer and Boston both well though!

Forgot to throw in Larry Centers as well and I will most definately cheer for Frank Sanders as well!

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
That's insane. Let's bring Ryan Leaf in for a new season and a new start as long as we're at it. Perhaps Cade McNown is out there somewhere. Hell, Akili Smith might be available via trade!

Also, I believe the Giovanni Carmazzi might be coaxed out of inactivity. He just needs his shot.

So that's invalid for Blake, but valid for Plummer.

Just making sure.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
That's insane. Let's bring Ryan Leaf in for a new season and a new start as long as we're at it. Perhaps Cade McNown is out there somewhere. Hell, Akili Smith might be available via trade!

Also, I believe the Giovanni Carmazzi might be coaxed out of inactivity. He just needs his shot.

Actually your comparisons are insane. You are speaking of players who have never had success at this level or shown an ability to play at this level!

Blake has more than proven his abilities in the NFL the stats dont lie! Nice try though!

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
That's insane. Let's bring Ryan Leaf in for a new season and a new start as long as we're at it. Perhaps Cade McNown is out there somewhere. Hell, Akili Smith might be available via trade!

Also, I believe the Giovanni Carmazzi might be coaxed out of inactivity. He just needs his shot.

I have to side with Shane here.

That's one of the worst posts from a logic standpoint that I've seen from you.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I have to side with Shane here.

That's one of the worst posts from a logic standpoint that I've seen from you.

Thank you!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Really? Who? I can barely think of former Cards besides Rice and Pittman who are still even in the NFL. I'm sure you don't cheer for Tommy Knight or Simeon. I think I remember you talking bad about MarTay when he signed with the Falcs. What former Cards do you cheer for? Steve Buerlein?

Steve Beurlein
Chris Chandler
Frank Sanders (who I wanted back)
Larry Centers
Corey Chavous
Garrison (to some extent).
And many others (also guys like Ben Coleman).

You've got a real attitude....You sometimes act like you know everything that I think, when that is far from the truth.

I don't like:
Plummer
Boston
Miller
Pittman and Rice.

Common theme....talked badly about the team, or facts about them came out after they left in Plummer's case.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11

That's one of the worst posts from a logic standpoint that I've seen from you.

Wow that is saying a lot!

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not saying that Jake is a stud QB or anything like that, but I'm saying that to ignore 6 years of evidence of mediocrity with the brush-off of "Well, it's a new year!" is idiocy. If I'd have said "Let's see if we can coax Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, or Randall Cunningham out of retirement! They were really good in the early 90s, too!", it might have been more accurate.

I'm not saying that Plummer should be given another shot and his past problems excused, and that Blake shouldn't. I'm saying that if Blake is an "above-average" QB, he would have been able to stay on the field and hold a starting job sometime since 1996. That hasn't been the case, and ought to temper some of the enthusiasm coming from Shane. Saying that, "Well, he's just had bad luck, but this is his year" is not valid thinking. Perhaps we could sign Jamal Anderson, too. Or Terrell Davis.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'm not saying that Jake is a stud QB or anything like that, but I'm saying that to ignore 6 years of evidence of mediocrity with the brush-off of "Well, it's a new year!" is idiocy. If I'd have said "Let's see if we can coax Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, or Randall Cunningham out of retirement! They were really good in the early 90s, too!", it might have been more accurate.

I'm not saying that Plummer should be given another shot and his past problems excused, and that Blake shouldn't. I'm saying that if Blake is an "above-average" QB, he would have been able to stay on the field and hold a starting job sometime since 1996. That hasn't been the case, and ought to temper some of the enthusiasm coming from Shane. Saying that, "Well, he's just had bad luck, but this is his year" is not valid thinking. Perhaps we could sign Jamal Anderson, too. Or Terrell Davis.

Actually those would be bad comparisons as well justfrom the age factor alone!

In 2000 Blake had directed a team to 7-3 and was firmly in control of the starting job until an injury sidelined him giving Brooks his opportunity and he never let it go! Blake lost his job yes but his pplay certainly didnt warrant him losing it. The team just decided to go a different direction due to the upside of Brooks!

He was under contract until let go and then he played decent although not spectacular for baltimore last year yet you act like the guy has been riding pine since 96 and thats just not true he has had the unfortunate injury bug something that hopefully wont continue!

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Common theme....talked badly about the team, or facts about them came out after they left in Plummer's case.

What, Aeneas didn't make the list? When did Boston talk bad about the team when he was here? Considering the way he was treated and marketed (or lack thereof) by the franchise, I'm surprised he didn't.

I was only going off what I've remembered you saying since I've been here. I never said I "know everything you think," I was just noting what I've observed, and that's that you have no problem slandering former Cards players, and haven't seen you have a great track record of talking them up.

For what it's worth, I still like Rice (who's only sin was speaking the truth), Boston, Plummer, TJ (soon), Hearst, Jenkins, Sanders (I guess), and Chavous. I hate Pittman, Tommy Knight, Aeneas Williams, and Swann. And am pretty indifferent to everyone else. Common theme: Talented players who wanted to go to a place where they'll be appreciated and have a change to win.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Shane H
He was under contract until let go and then he played decent although not spectacular for baltimore last year yet you act like the guy has been riding pine since 96 and thats just not true he has had the unfortunate injury bug something that hopefully wont continue!

No, I'm saying that is durability is a concern that can't be just brushed aside. I'm saying that he's a marginally better player than Jake, if a very, very different kind of one, who we'll hope can last a season, but if he lasts 13 games and McCown has to start for 3, I don't think we're better off as a team.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
What, Aeneas didn't make the list? When did Boston talk bad about the team when he was here? Considering the way he was treated and marketed (or lack thereof) by the franchise, I'm surprised he didn't.

I was only going off what I've remembered you saying since I've been here. I never said I "know everything you think," I was just noting what I've observed, and that's that you have no problem slandering former Cards players, and haven't seen you have a great track record of talking them up.

For what it's worth, I still like Rice (who's only sin was speaking the truth), Boston, Plummer, TJ (soon), Hearst, Jenkins, Sanders (I guess), and Chavous. I hate Pittman, Tommy Knight, Aeneas Williams, and Swann. And am pretty indifferent to everyone else. Common theme: Talented players who wanted to go to a place where they'll be appreciated and have a change to win.

Out of curiosity how could you "guess" that you like Frank Sanders the consumate professional and longtime fan favorite. But still be 100% sure you like Rice a guy that not only bad mouthed this team and its players but also Tillman after he made his valiant decision????

 

[Skkorpion]

Cbus, nobody else caught it

but I did. Your thread starter was just about the most optimistic thing I've ever seen you post.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
No, I'm saying that is durability is a concern that can't be just brushed aside. I'm saying that he's a marginally better player than Jake, if a very, very different kind of one, who we'll hope can last a season, but if he lasts 13 games and McCown has to start for 3, I don't think we're better off as a team.

I would venture to say that if he goes 8-5 and we can muster 1-2 out of McCown then that would be 9-7 and a shot at least a wildcard so yes we would be better off!

I do brush off injuries because they are typically freak occurances unless you are a Tommy Knight who would sit out with a hang nail! So you just never know who or what players will be healthy come season end!

 

[happythepeople]

9-7?!?! Are you kidding me? 9-7? That's not fair to the way this franchise is framed right now. YOu can't have such unrealistic expectations for a team who has clearly decided to inject youth into its RB and QB spots. These guys are projects, don't put too much pressure on them right away.

Former Cardinals? How the hell can ANYONE like Simeon Rice? Did he speak the truth w/ the "armpit" comment? Unfortunately, yes. But he's still a class-A Dick in my book based on countless other assertions he's made. How the hell can anyone like Chavous? Seriously, the guy had 6 good games(albeit 6 VERY VERY VERY important ones) and the rest was just mediocre at best.

As per Plummers work habits? The guy did more for the community than any other single player in AZ history(save a couple). He loved the fans(save a frustrated "rat" remark that clearly speaks of his sensitivity and self-disappointment moreso than vehement anger directed at the loyal(oh, wait, not so much) faithful who rooted for him.

Anyone think we could have made the playoffs with Jeff Blake all the years Plummer didnt get there for us? Would Blake have got there in '98?

Seriously, the guy was great, and we all loved him at one point.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by happythepeople
9-7?!?! Are you kidding me? 9-7? That's not fair to the way this franchise is framed right now. YOu can't have such unrealistic expectations for a team who has clearly decided to inject youth into its RB and QB spots. These guys are projects, don't put too much pressure on them right away.

Former Cardinals? How the hell can ANYONE like Simeon Rice? Did he speak the truth w/ the "armpit" comment? Unfortunately, yes. But he's still a class-A Dick in my book based on countless other assertions he's made. How the hell can anyone like Chavous? Seriously, the guy had 6 good games(albeit 6 VERY VERY VERY important ones) and the rest was just mediocre at best.

As per Plummers work habits? The guy did more for the community than any other single player in AZ history(save a couple). He loved the fans(save a frustrated "rat" remark that clearly speaks of his sensitivity and self-disappointment moreso than vehement anger directed at the loyal(oh, wait, not so much) faithful who rooted for him.

Anyone think we could have made the playoffs with Jeff Blake all the years Plummer didnt get there for us? Would Blake have got there in '98?

Seriously, the guy was great, and we all loved him at one point.

Gone with youth at RB? By bringing in a, what 12 year veteran? Hmm, I know I wasn;t always good at math but as I see it the average age at RB went up with Smith's signing.

Gone with youth at QB? Again, they brought in an 12 year vet and the average age went down? Wow, this must be some new math I have never done before.

Obviously, you love Plummer and cannot stand the fact he is gone. Yeah, it is great he did alot for the community. All that community work sure got the team to the playoffs alot and all that community work has got to have Plummer penciled in for the Hall of Fame. Yup. Cannot wait for that first ballot. I know I will be buying a ticket to Canton.

Blake wasn't on this team until this year so trying to say what he could or couldn't have done over the past 6 years is laughable.

Your post takes the lame argument of the week award.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Shane H
Out of curiosity how could you "guess" that you like Frank Sanders the consumate professional and longtime fan favorite. But still be 100% sure you like Rice a guy that not only bad mouthed this team and its players but also Tillman after he made his valiant decision????

kerouac9?????