Is this really necessary Kurt?

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't really want to pile on Kurt but this quote is kind of a microcosm of why he might not be the leader we think he is and why none of the team wants to attend his pool parties? Does anyone see Tom Brady saying something like this?

Per Somers notes:

-- QB Kurt Warner has talked about a lack of attention to detail. One example, he said, is not all receivers are running the same routes the same way. "I'm such a rhythm quarterback," he said. "When I have to start second-guessing, 'O.K., is the route going to be 12 yards or 16 yards?' It throws me off."

I watched the game last night. Even the throw he had to Fitz was way high and Larry made a stellar play out of it. In fact EVERY single one of his throws were high.

He might be right but the above comment sounds more divisive then anything to me. Or at the very least lacking accountability.

Anyone else agree or am I way off here?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'll tell you that this type of quote from Kurt surprises me a little.

Does Kurt not know the route that his WR is running and he is second guessing???

 

[joeshmo]

I don't really want to pile on Kurt but this quote is kind of a microcosm of why he might not be the leader we think he is and why none of the team wants to attend his pool parties? Does anyone see Tom Brady saying something like this?

Per Somers notes:

-- QB Kurt Warner has talked about a lack of attention to detail. One example, he said, is not all receivers are running the same routes the same way. "I'm such a rhythm quarterback," he said. "When I have to start second-guessing, 'O.K., is the route going to be 12 yards or 16 yards?' It throws me off."

I watched the game last night. Even the throw he had to Fitz was way high and Larry made a stellar play out of it. In fact EVERY single one of his throws were high.

He might be right but the above comment sounds more divisive then anything to me. Or at the very least lacking accountability.

Anyone else agree or am I way off here?

I actually agree with Warner. It has something I have noticed. It seems like a lot of errent passes are being thrown towards Urban and Long, not just from Warner but from all of the QB's. I think both of those guys are not running precise routes like they should be. Remember Wiz comments back in preseason game #1 about the WR's not running the right routes?

 

[earthsci]

Does Kurt not know the route that his WR is running and he is second guessing???

I believe that Kurt is saying that the receiver isn't running the route that he supposed to. If your receivers do that how is a QB supposed to have confidence to throw the ball on a timing pattern?

 

[joeshmo]

I'll tell you that this type of quote from Kurt surprises me a little.

Does Kurt not know the route that his WR is running and he is second guessing???

He knows the route he called but he doesnt know the route the WR is running. Meaning he calls a route that the reciever is supposed to run a 16 and out, goes to throw to that spot and the reciever cuts his route off at 12 yards instead, ball sails over his head. I dont know what routes were called but thats what he is saying.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I remember one play that was an intermediate out route that no receiver was within 10 yards. Receiver went in, throw was out. Hard to tell who missed whether Warner or receiver, but it wasn't even close.

btw, I'm ok with KW, but man, that pained look he gets on his face after a play goes nowhere always seems like someone other than himself is at fault. Seems like I have never seen the 'my bad' sign from him. Might be a generation thing, he's not as young as most of the receivers.

Just my opinion.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I actually agree with Warner. It has something I have noticed. It seems like a lot of errent passes are being thrown towards Urban and Long, not just from Warner but from all of the QB's. I think both of those guys are not running precise routes like they should be. Remember Wiz comments back in preseason game #1 about the WR's not running the right routes?

It wasn't just those two though. Even Warner and Fitz had one of those moments last night where they clearly were not in sync. Do we just assume that KW has always thrown the ball to the right spot every time, the receiver is always the one out of position? I know I'd hate to assume something like that without knowing the routes on every play. However, the comment seems a little 'throw my WR's under a bus' feel to me. (if he means that the WR's aren't running the right routes)

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I remember one play that was an intermediate out route that no receiver was within 10 yards. Receiver went in, throw was out. Hard to tell who missed whether Warner or receiver, but it wasn't even close.

btw, I'm ok with KW, but man, that pained look he gets on his face after a play goes nowhere always seems like someone other than himself is at fault. Seems like I have never seen the 'my bad' sign from him. Just my opinion.

I agree with you completely.

 

[CtCardinals78]

KW has come off as a whiner a lot to me. This does not surprise me at all.

 

[cgolden]

It wasn't just those two though. Even Warner and Fitz had one of those moments last night where they clearly were not in sync. Do we just assume that KW has always thrown the ball to the right spot every time, the receiver is always the one out of position? I know I'd hate to assume something like that without knowing the routes on every play. However, the comment seems a little 'throw my WR's under a bus' feel to me. (if he means that the WR's aren't running the right routes)

The 3rd and 13 on the Cards second drive was a perfect example of this. Larry runs a simple out route and is seemingly open but KW's throw is no where near him. Who screwed up? We'll probably never know but for two guys who never miss practice, they should be in perfect rhythm or timing or sync or whatever you want to call it. Whatever is happening or going on with this team right now, no one is immune to it.

I really get the feeling right now that these guys think that on the morning of Sept 13, a switch is going to flip and they'll suddenly be the Jan 2009 Cardinals instead of the Dec 2008 team. Something tells me that they'll be sadly mistaken.

Ok, I'll climb down off my now.

 

[joeshmo]

It wasn't just those two though. Even Warner and Fitz had one of those moments last night where they clearly were not in sync. Do we just assume that KW has always thrown the ball to the right spot every time, the receiver is always the one out of position? I know I'd hate to assume something like that without knowing the routes on every play. However, the comment seems a little 'throw my WR's under a bus' feel to me. (if he means that the WR's aren't running the right routes)

That was one play with Fitz. I am talking about multiple plays and all 4 games with Urban and Long. Heck you can even throw in the TE's and the RB's who are not going into their hot routes when they are supposed to. If you see a blitz coming you run your hot route and it just doesnt look like they are.

Not to say Warner has looked sharp, if you dont game plan Warner will never look sharp thats they type of QB he is. But bulk of the recievers are clearly not doing what they are supposed to do(without knowing the play calls that is).

You better believe its what is being said when they watch the film. Should Warner have said it in public, I dont know?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The 3rd and 13 on the Cards second drive was a perfect example of this. Larry runs a simple out route and is seemingly open but KW's throw is no where near him. Who screwed up? We'll probably never know but for two guys who never miss practice, they should be in perfect rhythm or timing or sync or whatever you want to call it. Whatever is happening or going on with this team right now, no one is immune to it.

I really get the feeling right now that these guys think that on the morning of Sept 13, a switch is going to flip and they'll suddenly be the Jan 2009 Cardinals instead of the Dec 2008 team. Something tells me that they'll be sadly mistaken.

Ok, I'll climb down off my now.

This is going to be a long 10 days......

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Even if it is true I just really don't get this type of thing from a QB. When things gets tough he is the guy you look too and I thnk we are all in agreement that if Fitz, or Tim, or Reggie wanted to say something about Kurts lack of precision, time in the pocket, and fumbles and INT's this preseason they wouldn't be wrong there either.

I remember Peyton did something like this with his O-line a few years back after a frustrating playoff game and got lambasted (and that was a playoff game - not the preseason )and I haven't heard anything like that since from him.

Again I am not trying to pile on Kurt intentionally. Like everyone else I am hoping he pulls it together come next week.

But this isn't the first time this has happened. When things are going good he's slapping backs and everyone's best friends. But when/if things get tough........

 

[cgolden]

I remember Peyton did something like this with his O-line a few years back after a frustrating playoff game and got lambasted (and that was a playoff game - not the preseason )and I haven't heard anything like that since from him.

The loss to Pitt....the famous game that gave Vanderjact a career ending case of the "yips."

 

[CtCardinals78]

Even if it is true I just really don't get this type of thing from a QB. When things gets tough he is the guy you look too and I thnk we are all in agreement that if Fitz, or Tim, or Reggie wanted to say something about Kurts lack of precision, time in the pocket, and fumbles and INT's this preseason they wouldn't be wrong there either.

I remember Peyton did something like this with his O-line a few years back after a frustrating playoff game and got lambasted (and that was a playoff game - not the preseason )and I haven't heard anything like that since from him.

Again I am not trying to pile on Kurt intentionally. Like everyone else I am hoping he pulls it together come next week.

But this isn't the first time this has happened. When things are going good he's slapping backs and everyone's best friends. But when/if things get tough........

AZ, do you have a link to this article?

 

[PDXChris]

Maybe spending too much time being the star again is the problem. Happened once and he fell hard, I just hope it is not happening again.

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[RonF]

My concern is that it's not just Warner that is struggling but the overall play of both the offensive and defensive teams. Is it because of the change in coaching staff that we see the team is Not prepared to play each game? The teams we play against seem to have some kind of game plan, my perception is that we are winging it. I'm not convinced that Warner is at his best when he calls all the plays, he needs guidance from the Offensive coordinator to keep things balanced.

I'm not convinced that Coach Davis is the right guy for the job either. Where is all this leadership on the field that we hear about? I don't see it. Lot's of questions but no answers at this point.

 

[Lorenzo]

I get his point, as long as he isn't throwing his WR's under the bus he should be fine. I think the cards are climbing an uphill battle trying to get back to where they were last year. this is a new year and they have to get themselves mentally on track and away from last year.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

AZ, do you have a link to this article?

Here is from afterward. I think this is when he showed he learned from the previous experience. I will have to look for the original quote but I think most could verify it happened.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2293795

It wasn't all Manning's fault, to be sure. Tarik Glenn was called for two false starts, one that cost Indianapolis a touchdown. Mike Vanderjagt, the NFL's most accurate kicker, missed a 46-yard field goal that would have forced overtime after a gift fumble by Jerome Bettis.

Receivers broke routes off short when Manning expected them to run deeper. Edgerrin James was held mostly in check, and Pittsburgh rattled the Colts' defense with two early touchdown drives.

"I'm looking for a safe word here, I don't want to be a bad teammate," Manning said when asked about Indianapolis' blown blocking assignments. "Pittsburgh gave us trouble and put us in some situations we're not usually in."

or maybe it is the same time as referenced here

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060116

For instance, he's also someone who throws his teammates under the bus, which -- it goes without saying -- is something every quarterback and team leader should try to do whenever possible. (Are you listening, Tom Brady? This is why you don't set regular season passing records! You need to be less of a team player!) Or not.


By now I'm sure you've all heard or read about Manning's postgame comments Sunday, in which he said: "I'm trying to be a good teammate here … let's just say we had some problems with protection."

Sure, it may sound as though Manning stabbed his linemen in the back -- or in the knee, in the Colts' case -- but I say cut him some slack. The guy is frustrated about coming up short every season. All I want is for him to learn from his mistakes and take more responsibility for his own failings when the Colts are inevitably eliminated next season.

 

[82CardsGrad]

My concern is that it's not just Warner that is struggling but the overall play of both the offensive and defensive teams. Is it because of the change in coaching staff that we see the team is Not prepared to play each game? The teams we play against seem to have some kind of game plan, my perception is that we are winging it. I'm not convinced that Warner is at his best when he calls all the plays, he needs guidance from the Offensive coordinator to keep things balanced.

I'm not convinced that Coach Davis is the right guy for the job either. Where is all this leadership on the field that we hear about? I don't see it. Lot's of questions but no answers at this point.

Best post in a wayward thread...

 

[fball13]

I certainly bugs me that he wouldn't take some responsibility... even in the super bowl when Q's spacing (didn't line up wide enough) on the 99 yard pick-6, KW took responsibility... His demeanor seems different than last year.

My real concern though is his hip... Seems like way too many of his throws are high. For many QBs, it's not a big concern, but this is possibly the most accurate QB in the NFL today... for him to miss a few, no biggie... for him to consistenly throw high, makes me wonder if his release is getting impacted by his hip...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I certainly bugs me that he wouldn't take some responsibility... even in the super bowl when Q's spacing (didn't line up wide enough) on the 99 yard pick-6, KW took responsibility... His demeanor seems different than last year.

My real concern though is his hip... Seems like way too many of his throws are high. For many QBs, it's not a big concern, but this is possibly the most accurate QB in the NFL today... for him to miss a few, no biggie... for him to consistenly throw high, makes me wonder if his release is getting impacted by his hip...

Generally under thrown balls are incomplete, over thrown balls are INT's. If you are going to miss Kurt, at least miss low please.

 

[Gambit]

Maybe Kurt, like the rest of this team, are better as underdogs. They fall apart once they get the respect that crave.

 

[Covert Rain]

I played QB and WR and know that when a receiver is suppose to be somewhere and is not, it does throw off the QBs game. I have been on both ends of it. As a QB you start to anticipate what your WR does. When you can no longer anticipate, your throws are off and you become more reactionary which usually isn't good as a QB. As a WR, you know it's your fault when your not where you are suppose to be...pure and simple.

Having said that, I think Kurt probably should have said this differently. He could have said something like "Our timing between QB & Receiver is off a little right now" or something like that.

 

[Goober Man]

I think this is a poor excuse like he doesn't want to take creditablity of his poor performance through the preseason. I mean Leinart has looked good with the same recivers with Long, Urban and others.