It's Over for Suns

[az jam]

Embarrassing. Pathetic. No reason to watch them. Why should the Phoenix city council approve money for Sarver to renovate the arena? NBA Commish Adam Silver needs to force Sarver to sell and bring in experienced basketball people to run the organization like they did for the 76ers.

 

[Carolinacacti]

This is the Booker Warren show with No Booker and Warren. Get a clue jam

 

[Western Font]

I think Sarver is as much the problem as everyone else, but other teams have been this bad without league intervention. Especially if the Suns aren’t losing on purpose, sadly.

 

[az jam]

This is the Booker Warren show with No Booker and Warren. Get a clue jam

You are right, they have done so well when they are both starting.

 

[Ronin]

over? baby you ain't seen nothing yet!

 

[az jam]

over? baby you ain't seen nothing yet!

How can it get any worse??

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns are proof the end is near. Unthinkable things are happening.

 

[1Sun]

How can it get any worse??

If the City Council doesn't approve the arena package, you'll see...

 

[overseascardfan]

Embarrassing. Pathetic. No reason to watch them. Why should the Phoenix city council approve money for Sarver to renovate the arena? NBA Commish Nate Silver needs to force Sarver to sell and bring in experienced basketball people to run the organization like they did for the 76ers.

Heard on Doug & Wolf this morning that incoming mayor not on board with this but has no power yet to block it. Sarver was smart enough to get this pushed through before January.

 

[Hoop Head]

This is the Booker Warren show with No Booker and Warren. Get a clue jam

What I don't quite understand about the "No Booker & Warren" line is how so many people wanted Warren traded this last offseason and now without him, we can't win. It's odd that someone went from expendable to a necessity as quick as he did. I'm not saying you were one of those people Carolinacacti, I just remember a ton of talk of dealing Warren this last offseason, and last season as well, and now without him we're awful. Thankfully we didn't trade him because then there wouldn't be the hope of his return getting the team going again and giving them enough confidence that they believe they can win.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What I don't quite understand about the "No Booker & Warren" line is how so many people wanted Warren traded this last offseason and now without him, we can't win. It's odd that someone went from expendable to a necessity as quick as he did. I'm not saying you were one of those people Carolinacacti, I just remember a ton of talk of dealing Warren this last offseason, and last season as well, and now without him we're awful. Thankfully we didn't trade him because then there wouldn't be the hope of his return getting the team going again and giving them enough confidence that they believe they can win.

It's not that Warren is all of a sudden great, it's that this roster has very few NBA ready players. Suiting up without the only two players on this team that might (MIGHT) actually start for another team is a recipe for disaster. And clearly we're following that recipe to a T because they are serving up that disaster regularly.

 

[Proximo]

If the City Council doesn't approve the arena package, you'll see...

Yeah, Sarver may move the team to San Diego.

But maybe that is how we would actually get a different owner. I don't think we would be without a team for too long, but I think I would rather they just approve the renovation.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Honestly, i love to rip Sarver but even I was fairly happy with the roster and situation at the beginning of the season. I dont know that there was any specific thing Sarver could have clearly done different...

 

[Proximo]

What I don't quite understand about the "No Booker & Warren" line is how so many people wanted Warren traded this last offseason and now without him, we can't win. It's odd that someone went from expendable to a necessity as quick as he did. I'm not saying you were one of those people Carolinacacti, I just remember a ton of talk of dealing Warren this last offseason, and last season as well, and now without him we're awful. Thankfully we didn't trade him because then there wouldn't be the hope of his return getting the team going again and giving them enough confidence that they believe they can win.

I will admit to being one of those people. I was dead wrong.

Now that he has a 3 pointer he is a much more valuable player. Also Josh Jackson's complete regression has a lot to do with his value increasing as well.

 

[azsouthendzone]

This is the Booker Warren show with No Booker and Warren. Get a clue jam

Oh yeah they were killing it with Booker and Warren. Thanks for setting everyone straight.

 

[Sunburn]

Who's Nate Silver?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Who's Nate Silver?

Yeah, I caught that too. I suspect the poster is also a baseball fan, Nate is a fairly well known Moneyball kind of guy.

 

[taz02]

Yep, we need TJ and Booker back so we can resume losing games by an average of 15 points instead of 19. Seriously, we do need them back but the end result isn't much better.

I caught part of KTAR this am and thought I heard them say that the suns have the worst offense since the implementation of the shot clock.

I'm not sure if they were referring to the entire season or the last couple games.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yep, we need TJ and Booker back so we can resume losing games by an average of 15 points instead of 19. Seriously, we do need them back but the end result isn't much better.

I caught part of KTAR this am and thought I heard them say that the suns have the worst offense since the implementation of the shot clock.

I'm not sure if they were referring to the entire season or the last couple games.

That's true but it's true in large part because the opponent starts losing focus after they get up 48 to 13. With a healthy roster, I think just about every team is at least 20 points better than us when they choose to be. Without Booker and Warren, they are more like 60 to 80 points better than us. And if we ever get Booker fully healthy, we'll be a threat to upset some of the mid to lower teams on any given night. Right now, we couldn't surprise a G League team and I'm not exaggerating for effect.

 

[taz02]

The suns are on pace to win 13 games this season!

Luckily the worst full season record in NBA history is 9-73 so we should do better than that.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The suns are on pace to win 13 games this season!

Luckily the worst full season record in NBA history is 9-73 so we should do better than that.

I would be shocked if we don't have some moves coming December 15th and assuming we keep laying turds like this I would also be shocked if Igor makes it even half the season. Both of those things could very easily spark some better play by the team and if they happen early enough it could make a significant difference in the win totals.

 

[taz02]

That's true but it's true in large part because the opponent starts losing focus after they get up 48 to 13. With a healthy roster, I think just about every team is at least 20 points better than us when they choose to be. Without Booker and Warren, they are more like 60 to 80 points better than us. And if we ever get Booker fully healthy, we'll be a threat to upset some of the mid to lower teams on any given night. Right now, we couldn't surprise a G League team and I'm not exaggerating for effect.

Yep, can't argue with any of that.

 

[taz02]

I would be shocked if we don't have some moves coming December 15th and assuming we keep laying turds like this I would also be shocked if Igor makes it even half the season. Both of those things could very easily spark some better play by the team and if they happen early enough it could make a significant difference in the win totals.

Yes, I think you are right. Lets just hope they make the right moves.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

What I don't quite understand about the "No Booker & Warren" line is how so many people wanted Warren traded this last offseason and now without him, we can't win. It's odd that someone went from expendable to a necessity as quick as he did. I'm not saying you were one of those people Carolinacacti, I just remember a ton of talk of dealing Warren this last offseason, and last season as well, and now without him we're awful. Thankfully we didn't trade him because then there wouldn't be the hope of his return getting the team going again and giving them enough confidence that they believe they can win.

It's the difference between shooting 22% from 3pt land and 40+.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That's true but it's true in large part because the opponent starts losing focus after they get up 48 to 13. With a healthy roster, I think just about every team is at least 20 points better than us when they choose to be. Without Booker and Warren, they are more like 60 to 80 points better than us. And if we ever get Booker fully healthy, we'll be a threat to upset some of the mid to lower teams on any given night. Right now, we couldn't surprise a G League team and I'm not exaggerating for effect.

While I don't think you are completely wrong here. During that 6-8 game stretch where we were playing competitive ball we were never falling behind by 20 something points. That kind of nulifies the idea that teams just got bored and let us back in. We have simply lost the effort in these last few games that we had in that competitive stretch.