Jackson/Warren tandem

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Aquiring Jackson is making me appreciate Warren more. Jackson seems to be everything Warren isn't but Warren is probably the better shooter/scorer. I don't hate Warren but I don't envision him being our starter for years either. As an eventual backup to Jackson he still seems valuable to me because he brings something different to the floor.

As a duo these players could really make the small forward position rock solid.
 

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Our 2nd team is looking very solid as we build depth. That's the one thing that stood out about our last playoff team, it went 10 deep.
 

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Jackson can play point forward eventually, very good handle and ball distributor, no reason he and warren can't be on court at same times.
 

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I think we'll see a lot of Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, Jackson, Chriss lineups to close games. That's a pretty good lineup, actually.
 
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I think we'll see a lot of Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, Jackson, Chriss lineups to close games. That's a pretty good lineup, actually.


Yeah I like that! That lineup would probably work a great deal of the time because centers aren't as dominate in the league nowadays.
 

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I think they will compliment each other really well just like Booker and Jackson will as well.
 

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Yep. One of the most underrated aspects of his game is his passing. He plays excellent d. Gifted scorer. And excellent passer. We will see how the shooting goes.
 

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I am just salivating to see Chriss and Jackson hit the offensive boards at the same time! That could give teams fits rebounding!


Chriss and Jackson have a giant chip on therw Shoulder we about to see a very tough and stong front court!
 

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Aquiring Jackson is making me appreciate Warren more. Jackson seems to be everything Warren isn't but Warren is probably the better shooter/scorer. I don't hate Warren but I don't envision him being our starter for years either. As an eventual backup to Jackson he still seems valuable to me because he brings something different to the floor.

As a duo these players could really make the small forward position rock solid.

I disagree, Jackson literally has every offensive play in his game with both hands, just doesnt do any one thing exceptional.

I would also say the opposite to your general premis. The problem with the Suns roster is they have a bunch of "good adequate" guys and no real superstar potential other than Book. Guys like Warren will eventually have to move on because they were worth more minutes than they will get on Suns. This is happening with allan williams, alex len, tyson, Bknight, Ullis, and no Warren.
 

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I disagree, Jackson literally has every offensive play in his game with both hands, just doesnt do any one thing exceptional.

I would also say the opposite to your general premis. The problem with the Suns roster is they have a bunch of "good adequate" guys and no real superstar potential other than Book. Guys like Warren will eventually have to move on because they were worth more minutes than they will get on Suns. This is happening with allan williams, alex len, tyson, Bknight, Ullis, and no Warren.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If those players are so much better than the minutes they're getting then why aren't the Suns winning? I know we can't play everyone 25-30 minutes a night but I don't think anyone is calling for that. The players need to accept the roles they're given and it's up to Watson to make sure they're given roles that will help the team overall. There's no reason we can't use almost all of those players you listed in roles that help the team and that they're satisfied with. Not everyone can be a starter and it's not like those players could just walk onto a number of other teams to bigger roles.

Williams is an undersized but he's a good rebounder. Depending on the cost, he should return next year. Ego doesn't seem to be an issue with him so if he ends up being our 3rd string Center/3rd string PF, that's fine if the price is right.

Len has had plenty of minutes but fails to consistently produce, it's time to let him go.

Chandler is on the downside of his career, he's only good for 25 minutes a night and he's injury prone and will probably only play about 60 games. He's happy being a veteran leader though. As a veteran leader I'm sure he knows he'll need to pass the torch, unfortunately Len fumbled it every time he was given the chance to grab.

Knight sucks, he's played poorly since he's arrived in Phoenix. I know a lot of that is the injuries he's suffered plus not having a clearly defined role but he he was nothing but a chucker last year and he couldn't produce despite being given the green light when he came on the floor.

Ulis was a rookie and got big minutes in the 2nd half of the season. He will probably be our backup PG next year, which is a good thing. He's an unselfish distributor who should make his teammates better. If he plays with the 2nd unit he should give them a boost and get the most out of those guys.

Warren could be a valuable 6th man, again it depends on the price it costs to keep him long term but we have him for at least 1 more year and then he's a restricted free agent. He played that role a lot with the Suns already and produced well.
 

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Chriss a terrible rebounder

I know Chriss is a poor rebounder but Warren showed some rebounding skill last season, Bledsoe is a good rebounder for a PG, and Jackson is also a good rebounder for a wing player. I don't think we should run with a lineup of Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, Jackson, and Chriss all the time but I'm sure we'll see it next season in spurts. You play small ball lineups to run, and that lineup should be able to do that really well, we won't be great at rebounding but at least we won't give up that much size. I think guys like Jackson can step up and crash the boards when it's required.

It won't be worse than when we had 3 PG's on the court together with IT, Bledsoe, Dragic and then subpar frontcourt players like the Morri with them. We were a 7th or 8th seed with the 3 headed monster, who knows what our youngsters can do.
 
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Like Kingdad suggests, Warren as a sixth man seems like a solid option.
 

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It won't be worse than when we had 3 PG's on the court together with IT, Bledsoe, Dragic and then subpar frontcourt players like the Morri with them. o.

When you read that again, you got to wonder wtf management and / or coach were thinking putting those three out there.



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When you read that again, you got to wonder wtf management and / or coach were thinking putting those three out there.


I remembered they mentioned something about making a strength even stronger...

I think what happened is Thomas fell in their laps and they were just trying to utilize him.
 

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Jackson's defensive versatility (guarding 1-4) means that there can be lots of mix and match offensive options. Jackson is like having a more athletic, more intense, more offensively gifted, taller, PJ Tucker.
 

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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If those players are so much better than the minutes they're getting then why aren't the Suns winning? I know we can't play everyone 25-30 minutes a night but I don't think anyone is calling for that. The players need to accept the roles they're given and it's up to Watson to make sure they're given roles that will help the team overall. There's no reason we can't use almost all of those players you listed in roles that help the team and that they're satisfied with. Not everyone can be a starter and it's not like those players could just walk onto a number of other teams to bigger roles.

Williams is an undersized but he's a good rebounder. Depending on the cost, he should return next year. Ego doesn't seem to be an issue with him so if he ends up being our 3rd string Center/3rd string PF, that's fine if the price is right.

Len has had plenty of minutes but fails to consistently produce, it's time to let him go.

Chandler is on the downside of his career, he's only good for 25 minutes a night and he's injury prone and will probably only play about 60 games. He's happy being a veteran leader though. As a veteran leader I'm sure he knows he'll need to pass the torch, unfortunately Len fumbled it every time he was given the chance to grab.

Knight sucks, he's played poorly since he's arrived in Phoenix. I know a lot of that is the injuries he's suffered plus not having a clearly defined role but he he was nothing but a chucker last year and he couldn't produce despite being given the green light when he came on the floor.

Ulis was a rookie and got big minutes in the 2nd half of the season. He will probably be our backup PG next year, which is a good thing. He's an unselfish distributor who should make his teammates better. If he plays with the 2nd unit he should give them a boost and get the most out of those guys.

Warren could be a valuable 6th man, again it depends on the price it costs to keep him long term but we have him for at least 1 more year and then he's a restricted free agent. He played that role a lot with the Suns already and produced well.

The Suns arent good because "good" players dont win you seasons, "great" players do. Also contributing to their lack of success was tanking and not playing Bledsoe and chandler. Lastly, i was elluding to those players being "good" in the future, they arent necessarily good yet.
 

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I hope Warren can embrace the 6th man role that Knight couldn't. Has always kind of reminded me of Cedric Ceballos. Ced always seemed to be able to score in weird ways and always got his points no matter his role.
 

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Just watching some more film of Jackson. Man, wow. I was thinking of Shawn Marion comparisons

Same pogo-stick hops as Shawn
Better at blocking out
Better ball handler
Better passer
Same height
Similar non-stop motor (never gets tired)
Similar, maybe even better, defender
Similar around the rim
Similar shooter coming out
Worse free throw shooter
Better three point shooter
Slightly worse two point shooter
Way more intense, just a nasty disposition
 

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I hope Warren can embrace the 6th man role that Knight couldn't. Has always kind of reminded me of Cedric Ceballos. Ced always seemed to be able to score in weird ways and always got his points no matter his role.
Hope he's cool with that role and resigns. Or maybe don't relegate him to the 6th man role until after he resigns.
 

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Just watching some more film of Jackson. Man, wow. I was thinking of Shawn Marion comparisons

Same pogo-stick hops as Shawn
Better at blocking out
Better ball handler
Better passer
Same height
Similar non-stop motor (never gets tired)
Similar, maybe even better, defender
Similar around the rim
Similar shooter coming out
Worse free throw shooter
Better three point shooter
Slightly worse two point shooter
Way more intense, just a nasty disposition

That's the key difference. Marion was always soft, especially after that one scary fall. I can't remember who it was, but someone fouled him hard while he was in the air. He was never really tough, but after that incident, he was just never the same. I want to say it was Fortson, but I might be thinking of a different incident. Jackson doesn't seem to have any fear. He really looks like a Marion with a PJ Tucker intensity. Or a PJ Tucker with Marion's skill set.
 

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That's the key difference. Marion was always soft, especially after that one scary fall. I can't remember who it was, but someone fouled him hard while he was in the air. He was never really tough, but after that incident, he was just never the same. I want to say it was Fortson, but I might be thinking of a different incident. Jackson doesn't seem to have any fear. He really looks like a Marion with a PJ Tucker intensity. Or a PJ Tucker with Marion's skill set.

Is there a better word than soft to describe Marion considering he would bang in the paint with guys that had 30+ lbs on him? Maybe he was timid at times in the playoffs.
 
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