Joe Mixon?

[Bodha]

Not your what's worse: Your stance on social situations, or your attempts to validate them.

Alright then. Just take the higher ground and leave. You cant box with me. Im crushing you with good examples and you come back with 1 line sentences that amount to "nuh-uh".

Just leave the convo if you feel youre right. The reason you keep trying is you know Im winning, and youre waiting for me to trip up so you can pounce with a good counter point. You wont find any. So just leave.

 

[Southpaw]

You know whats ironic

"Misogyny: ingrained prejudice against women."

You are the misogynist here. Your prejudice is that women are different. They are dumber. They dont know better. They are practically children who dont understand that with choices, comes consequence. She gets a pass just as a mentally disabled man would. Because shes a pitiful little creature who would drown in the rain if not for your help.

I view that girl who got smacked with 100% respect of human equality.




Walking away claiming the higher ground

aka

He made really good points, and Im having a hard time coming up with a logical counter-argument.

For the record - your "argument" this whole time has amounted to no more than "She a girl!". Which is sexist, but also basic and void of logical examination.

Q - if she were a 6'6, heavily muscled 250 pound girl, is she still just a girl?

I don't play the "insult other posters" game. That is why I walk away from you.

 

[TJ]

Alright then. Just take the higher ground and leave. You cant box with me. Im crushing you with good examples and you come back with 1 line sentences that amount to "nuh-uh".

Just leave the convo if you feel youre right. The reason you keep trying is you know Im winning, and youre waiting for me to trip up so you can pounce with a good counter point. You wont find any. So just leave.

If claiming victory about "crushing" someone during an internet argument helps you sleep at night, by all means, shout it out from the mountain top.

 

[Bodha]

I don't play the "insult other posters" game. That is why I walk away from you.

Yet here you are still.

BTW, you didnt answer my "But shes a girl!" question in regards to if she were 6'6, 250. (not that you can without contradicting yourself)

If claiming victory about "crushing" someone during an internet argument helps you sleep at night, by all means, shout it out from the mountain top.

Yet here you are still.


Both of you. I dont claim victory because im not proud of anything. It wasnt even a competition. It didnt take an ounce of effort to launch the better argument. I would LOVE to have a genuine debate on this topic with someone up the task.

 

[MartinD]

Too bad?

The dude straight up sucker punched a female.

Hope he goes undrafted.

Feel the same way.

 

[Sandan]

There is no difference unless you are an SJW or a sexist. Females are equal to males in all ways and are supposed to be treated as such....we have been taught this for decades but many still want to maintain the double standard of special treatment when it comes to physical altercations because females are "frail"... however I watched my mom drop a left hook on my older brother when he was 20,...knocked him out cold...mom is such a dainty ol'broad...and I have a sister that can kick the crap out of half the men on this board...but women are frail,...dainty,...the fairer sex

Never piss Brighteyes off, trust me

 

[cardncubfan]

Yet here you are still.

BTW, you didnt answer my "But shes a girl!" question in regards to if she were 6'6, 250. (not that you can without contradicting yourself)




Yet here you are still.


Both of you. I dont claim victory because im not proud of anything. It wasnt even a competition. It didnt take an ounce of effort to launch the better argument. I would LOVE to have a genuine debate on this topic with someone up the task.

I don't see where you won jack. You come off as a pompous arse & condescending to other posters. You are also okay with hitting a woman because ''deserved it''. Same thing a wife beater would say btw. You just don't get it & probably never will. Just your comments about debating on a higher intellectual level tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[Bodha]

I don't see where you won jack. You come off as a pompous arse & condescending to other posters. You are also okay with hitting a woman because ''deserved it''. Same thing a wife beater would say btw. You just don't get it & probably never will. Just your comments about debating on a higher intellectual level tells me all I need to know about you.

TBH, if I sound condescending, its because youre forcing me to speak down to you. Im doing my best to put it simple terms, but its proving very difficult. For example you say Im OK with hitting women, and yet ive said the opposite 4x.

Go read posts:
#16, #38, #66, #70

The problem is, Im not sure if you have the mental capacity to understand that whats deserved is completely independent of the outcome. She 100% deserved to get swatted, doesnt mean he shoudlve.

But Ive made this point multiple times, I dont expect you to all of a sudden understand.

 

[cardncubfan]

TBH, if I sound condescending, its because youre forcing me to speak down to you. Im doing my best to put it simple terms, but its proving very difficult. For example you say Im OK with hitting women, and yet ive said the opposite 4x.

Go read posts:
#16, #38, #66, #70

The problem is, Im not sure if you have the mental capacity to understand that whats deserved is completely independent of the outcome. She 100% deserved to get swatted, doesnt mean he shoudlve.

But Ive made this point multiple times, I dont expect you to all of a sudden understand.

This just proves my point. But I don't think you are capable of understanding it.

 

[WisconsinCard]

You know whats ironic

"Misogyny: ingrained prejudice against women."

You are the misogynist here. Your prejudice is that women are different. They are dumber. They dont know better. They are practically children who dont understand that with choices, comes consequence. She gets a pass just as a mentally disabled man would. Because shes a pitiful little creature who would drown in the rain if not for your help.

I view that girl who got smacked with 100% respect of human equality.




Walking away claiming the higher ground

aka

He made really good points, and Im having a hard time coming up with a logical counter-argument.

For the record - your "argument" this whole time has amounted to no more than "She a girl!". Which is sexist, but also basic and void of logical examination.

Q - if she were a 6'6, heavily muscled 250 pound girl, is she still just a girl?

Yes she is still a girl, and if that makes me sexist or misogynistic well then so be it. I still hold the door for a lady when entering a doorway, but I don't for a man. Women are to be cherished in my book, what they go through to bring us life alone is reason enough to walk away from a woman that as you say "deserves it".

 

[Russ Smith]

You seriously dont understand the difference between deserve and action.

He shouldnt have hit her, but she 100% deserved to be hit.


Its sad when a lady gets eaten by the lions at the zoo, but it doesnt mean she didnt deserve it. Dont jump into the cage dummy.

So you're calling Mixon an animal now, isn't that racist?

If you called him that to his face he'd probably punch you and break bones in your face.

See how easy this is?

 

[Russ Smith]

This has nothing to do with Mixon. If we are going to continue discussing this I need you to raise up to a higher plane of intellect.

Its about principle.

No, he should not have it her.

My issue is with the statement "She didnt deserve it".

If a drunk guy hits another guy, drunk guy deserves to get knocked out. If you knowingly jump off a cliff without a parachute, you deserve to smash into the ground. If you set yourself on fire as a goof, you deserve to burn. If you stick your hand in an alligator mouth, you deserve to lose your hand. If you pretend to have a gun while interacting with police, you deserve to get shot. If you tap dance on a landmine, you deserve to get blown up. And if you put your hands on a human much bigger than you, you deserve whatever happens to you.

I could go all day, but it doesnt matter. If you dont understand after 1 example, you still wont after 100.

Am I the only one on this board who understands what "deserve" means?

now I get it, you simply fail to understand what one of the biggest differences is between humans and other things.

most of your examples don't involve living things but the alligator one for example one of the differences between humans and wild animals is humans have the capacity to look at a situation and make a rational decision instead of just biting the arm off because that's what alligators do.

Humans have the capacity for self restraint, the ones that don't do thinks like Mixon did and usually suffer the consequences.

 

[Bodha]

Yes she is still a girl, and if that makes me sexist or misogynistic well then so be it.

Alright then, thats what it is. We cant really argue further.

now I get it, you simply fail to understand what one of the biggest differences is between humans and other things.

most of your examples don't involve living things but the alligator one for example one of the differences between humans and wild animals is humans have the capacity to look at a situation and make a rational decision instead of just biting the arm off because that's what alligators do.

Humans have the capacity for self restraint, the ones that don't do thinks like Mixon did and usually suffer the consequences.

This is a perfect example of the flaw in your logic. Because all of my examples involved a living thing.

The person setting themselves on fire is a living thing
The person dancing on a landmine is the living thing
The person jumping off the cliff is a living thing

But you dont view the person committing the stupid act as the person at fault.

In your view, the gun is at fault. The gun manufacturer is at fault. This woman was completely void of responsibility for her putting a gun to her own head. She is a victim and the business owner who sold the gun should be thrown in jail.

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[Russ Smith]

Alright then, thats what it is. We cant really argue further.



This is a perfect example of the flaw in your logic. Because all of my examples involved a living thing.

The person setting themselves on fire is a living thing
The person dancing on a landmine is the living thing
The person jumping off the cliff is a living thing

But you dont view the person committing the stupid act as the person at fault.

In your view, the gun is at fault. The gun manufacturer is at fault. This woman was completely void of responsibility for her putting a gun to her own head. She is a victim and the business owner who sold the gun should be thrown in jail.

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Yes that's exactly what my point was.... not.

See I went down to your level.

My point was in most of your examples the thing that inflicted the harm on the person was not a living thing. Fires are not living, landmines are not living, that is even if someone does something really stupid, a living thing has the option to choose whether to act on it aggressively or not. Alligators don't even think they just bite the arm off, people on the other hand have the capacity to decide, and Mixon chose to go back in, engage in further argument with her, and then broke her face.

a better example would be if you point that gun at yourself and pull the trigger you're completely responsible for the outcome. If however you hand that gun to an adult and then insult them, it doesn't give them the right to pull the trigger and if they do, they're responsible for doing so.

 

[Bodha]

a better example would be if you point that gun at yourself and pull the trigger you're completely responsible for the outcome. If however you hand that gun to an adult and then insult them, it doesn't give them the right to pull the trigger and if they do, they're responsible for doing so.

agreed.

She pulled the trigger when she got physical.

Up until then it was nothing but words which dont break faces.


He shouldnt have done it. But that doesnt mean she didnt deserve it. She hit. He hit. Equal.

 

[Russ Smith]

agreed.

She pulled the trigger when she got physical.

Up until then it was nothing but words which dont break faces.


He shouldnt have done it. But that doesnt mean she didnt deserve it. She hit. He hit. Equal.

Nobody pulled a trigger in actuality but metaphorically Mixon not her pulled the trigger. Metaphorically she handed him the gun and insulted him.

 

[Bodha]

Nobody pulled a trigger in actuality but metaphorically Mixon not her pulled the trigger. Metaphorically she handed him the gun and insulted him.

Thats just nonsense. I dont even think you know what that means.


They couldve screamed in each others faces for 6 hours. And no crime is committed. Screaming is a constitutional right. Hitting is assault.

Who hit first?

 

[Russ Smith]

Thats just nonsense. I dont even think you know what that means.


They couldve screamed in each others faces for 6 hours. And no crime is committed. Screaming is a constitutional right. Hitting is assault.

Who hit first?

She pushed him. The "hit" is comical, go play pickup basketball in any park in America and within 5 minutes you'll get "hit" harder than that several times. It wasn't assault she was trying to get him to back off.

She should have just stayed sitting down but civilized human beings can be pushed and lightly struck without responding by knocking the person out and breaking bones in their face.

He reacted like early Mike Tyson would have, hopefully Mixon learns from this before he ends up in prison like Tyson did.

And if you think screaming is a constitutional right I have a good test for you, go walk into a crowded movie theater or anything similar and start screaming. You don't even have to yell fire, bring a dictionary and start screaming the definitions to words. I think you'll find you'll be debating the constitutionality of it while spending the night in prison.

 

[Bodha]

The "hit" is comical

semantics.

hit is hit. The record doesnt show with how much force is behind the blow. The record shall show "Person A hit person B. Person B hit back"

If person A didnt hit. Then person B wouldnt be hitting back.

She should have just stayed sitting down

Yes, she shouldve.

but civilized human beings can be pushed and lightly struck without responding .

You were taught its OK to hit people in the face, as long as its lightly? ......

I was taught "Keep your hands to yourself"............thats it. No Addendums. No clarifications. No exceptions. No bullet points. Keep your hands to yourself. Period.

He reacted like early Mike Tyson would have, hopefully Mixon learns from this before he ends up in prison like Tyson did.

Hopefully he learns? Hes not the one with the shattered face.

Hopefully she learns not to put her hands on anybody in this world.

 

[Russ Smith]

semantics.

hit is hit. The record doesnt show with how much force is behind the blow. The record shall show "Person A hit person B. Person B hit back"

If person A didnt hit. Then person B wouldnt be hitting back.



Yes, she shouldve.



You were taught its OK to hit people in the face, as long as its lightly? ......

I was taught "Keep your hands to yourself"............thats it. No Addendums. No clarifications. No exceptions. No bullet points. Keep your hands to yourself. Period.



Hopefully he learns? Hes not the one with the shattered face.

Hopefully she learns not to put her hands on anybody in this world.

He's going to lose LOTS of money over this, not to mention the hit on his personal reputation. most people don't even know her name, if they do they'll forget it soon. So yes HE is the one that has way more to learn from this.

If that hit was assault and it's all on video how come nobody is charging her with assault? they have it on tape, they don't need him to file a formal complaint. She sued him, how come she's not up on assault charges.

There's 2 obvious reasons why, first again he lied to police, he lied about the whole thing including telling them she spit on him, he's now apparently backed off on that saying it's possible she was just yelling at him and spit accidentally came out. The 2nd obvious reason is they have the video and while you can see she pushed him and apparently slapped him, most people don't actually consider that to have been enough to cause the actions he took.

As has been stated to you repeatedly the girl was not sober and was clearly doing and saying stuff she should not have done. That doesn't mean his reaction is acceptable let alone that it was deserved. You don't have to knock someone out who weighs 100 pounds less than you do. He was not threatened by her, he claimed it was self defense until he found out there was video then he admitted it wasn't, just that she initiated the physical confrontation which is legally NOT the same as self defense.

 

[speedy]

He's going to lose LOTS of money over this, not to mention the hit on his personal reputation. most people don't even know her name, if they do they'll forget it soon. So yes HE is the one that has way more to learn from this.

If that hit was assault and it's all on video how come nobody is charging her with assault? they have it on tape, they don't need him to file a formal complaint. She sued him, how come she's not up on assault charges.

There's 2 obvious reasons why, first again he lied to police, he lied about the whole thing including telling them she spit on him, he's now apparently backed off on that saying it's possible she was just yelling at him and spit accidentally came out. The 2nd obvious reason is they have the video and while you can see she pushed him and apparently slapped him, most people don't actually consider that to have been enough to cause the actions he took.

As has been stated to you repeatedly the girl was not sober and was clearly doing and saying stuff she should not have done. That doesn't mean his reaction is acceptable let alone that it was deserved. You don't have to knock someone out who weighs 100 pounds less than you do. He was not threatened by her, he claimed it was self defense until he found out there was video then he admitted it wasn't, just that she initiated the physical confrontation which is legally NOT the same as self defense.

You're assuming our municipal and county court systems do the right thing and act with integrity. This is in fact a wrong assumption. The COURTS are a business FIRST, and in the course of conducting business, justice MAY prevail. Female on male violence just isn't as sexy as male on female, especially if that male is a gladiator beast.

If I was the officer, after reviewing that tape, I would have hooked up BOTH of them. At the very least, she should have been charged with disorderly conduct. However, I could file charges and articulate a very thorough, concise, and master piece of a report, and the prosecutor would likely not pick up the charges on her. I have seen it happen over and over and over again with females. Its not a slam dunk, and the court system doesn't want the NCADV or other feminist groups on its nuts, which would surely happen if they did pick up charges on her.

I think one of the points Bodha is trying to make is the clear lack of accountability for her part in the exchange. It is quite possible that if she wasn't screaming in his face, shoving him, or whatever else the video portrays, the "punch" we are all referring to never happens. This is not justifying the punch, but rather pointing out her culpability in the event. I wholly believe that violence/domestic violence/violence on females/etc has many faces we flat out ignore, because we focus on the male's actions, or in many cases, reactions. If "we" truly wanted to cause reduction or elimination of this type of violence, we would examine ALL factors associated with it. Our societies approach to "handling" and being "pro-active" about this issue is similar to treating recurring abdominal pain with pepto; it may treat some of the pains, but there are close to 200 different reasons for "abdominal pain." In this example, the only real winners of this linear approach of "treatment," are the makers of pepto. The issue of violence against females/DV is approached the same way, and yes sir, there is a lot of $$$ being made off of it by these special interest groups. Just look how they were quick to come hold the NFL hostage, even though the NBA and MLB have similar problems. I can give you $8 billion annual TV revenue reasons why they are "picking on" the NFL and not the other sports; these big/mean/violent gladiators also make for a "sexier" and easier sell.

And BTW Bodha, screaming in somebody's face/at someone ("for 6 hours") is disorderly conduct.

 

[Bodha]

How did we get 7 pages without me saying "It take 2 to tango"?

I say that all the time. Very applicable in this situation.

 

[Russ Smith]

You're assuming our municipal and county court systems do the right thing and act with integrity. This is in fact a wrong assumption. The COURTS are a business FIRST, and in the course of conducting business, justice MAY prevail. Female on male violence just isn't as sexy as male on female, especially if that male is a gladiator beast.

If I was the officer, after reviewing that tape, I would have hooked up BOTH of them. At the very least, she should have been charged with disorderly conduct. However, I could file charges and articulate a very thorough, concise, and master piece of a report, and the prosecutor would likely not pick up the charges on her. I have seen it happen over and over and over again with females. Its not a slam dunk, and the court system doesn't want the NCADV or other feminist groups on its nuts, which would surely happen if they did pick up charges on her.

I think one of the points Bodha is trying to make is the clear lack of accountability for her part in the exchange. It is quite possible that if she wasn't screaming in his face, shoving him, or whatever else the video portrays, the "punch" we are all referring to never happens. This is not justifying the punch, but rather pointing out her culpability in the event. I wholly believe that violence/domestic violence/violence on females/etc has many faces we flat out ignore, because we focus on the male's actions, or in many cases, reactions. If "we" truly wanted to cause reduction or elimination of this type of violence, we would examine ALL factors associated with it. Our societies approach to "handling" and being "pro-active" about this issue is similar to treating recurring abdominal pain with pepto; it may treat some of the pains, but there are close to 200 different reasons for "abdominal pain." In this example, the only real winners of this linear approach of "treatment," are the makers of pepto. The issue of violence against females/DV is approached the same way, and yes sir, there is a lot of $$$ being made off of it by these special interest groups. Just look how they were quick to come hold the NFL hostage, even though the NBA and MLB have similar problems. I can give you $8 billion annual TV revenue reasons why they are "picking on" the NFL and not the other sports; these big/mean/violent gladiators also make for a "sexier" and easier sell.

And BTW Bodha, screaming in somebody's face/at someone ("for 6 hours") is disorderly conduct.

where I disagree is she HAS been accountable. In fact she publicly apologized for her actions before he did. She also readily admitted and told the truth that she had made the first physical contact not him.

I agree she's not innocent, never once said she was, but again reasonable human beings don't knock someone out and break bones in their face when they are not physically threatened.

One of my big issues with Mixon is that he's so clearly been coached to say what he said. The reason he said he thought from the contact that it was a "dude" is that he has been coached on what is apparently the legal definition of self defense in that state. That in order to qualify the person has to feel "physically threatened or in danger" or something similar, don't have the exact wording it was in an article I read.

I followed the Mixon story closely, he's from Oakley, CA which is out by the California Delta where I often go fishing(not recently) and he very nearly committed to UCLA out of HS.

When it came out a bunch of UCLA fans were saying whew, dodged a bullet. Then he started claiming self defense and people said rush to judgement blah blah. Now that the truth is out there with the video etc it's apparent his lying was coached by his lawyer. He said he thought it was a dude so he could claim he felt threatened. He said she spit on him because he was trying to make it clear she was the instigator she escalated it, he tried to walk away and she spit on him, pushed him and punched him. There's no evidence she spit on him he's essentially conceded it didn't happen and if it did it was not intentional. she did push him and admitted to doing so, she did slap him and admitted to doing so.

She also tried to keep the video from going public not to protect him but because she'd had enough negative press, the legal authorities had the video all along so she wasn't trying to suppress evidence except maybe in the court of public opinion.

She is not at all innocent, she just didn't deserve to get her face broken.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

where I disagree is she HAS been accountable. In fact she publicly apologized for her actions before he did. She also readily admitted and told the truth that she had made the first physical contact not him.

But no excuse for hitting a woman. Only time it is permissible to strike a woman is if she is threatening your life with a weapon.

 

[Bodha]

where I disagree is she HAS been accountable. In fact she publicly apologized for her actions before he did. She also readily admitted and told the truth that she had made the first physical contact not him.

?? Mixon has lost millions of dollars. Yet thats not enough.

She said "oops sorry". And you consider that being accountable? She is an equal participant in this confrontation.

No wonder she thinks she can go around hitting people. Shes kind of like that Affluenza kid. Its not their fault. They never learned what consequence are. She was raised to think violence is OK if somebody insults you.