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I saw this on the home page of nfl.com and on a couple other sites. Bruce is definitely lighting an intentional fire. I do think this story was pushed to the media to get him going.
Johnathan Cooper--On Notice?
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He's 320 pounds, people heal at different rates and you don't just immediately get back to 100% after a broken leg.
what he does best is move, there were reports not all that long ago he was still limping is it at all surprising he's not moving as well as he did before the injury?
Who said he was "never" going to recover?
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This guy doesn't think it's nonsense.
"Coop's still got a ways to go," Cardinals coach Bruce Arians told Fox Sport Arizona after the team's offseason workouts (known as OTAs) in June. "He's not the athlete he was last year at this time, but I wouldn't expect him to be. It's just a matter of getting his strength and his confidence and his balance."
"Coop's still got a ways to go," Cardinals coach Bruce Arians told Fox Sport Arizona after the team's offseason workouts (known as OTAs) in June. "He's not the athlete he was last year at this time, but I wouldn't expect him to be. It's just a matter of getting his strength and his confidence and his balance."
You never know IF you can do it, UNTIL you do it.
That is basically Cooper's issue right now; he is being tentative. This situation should work itself out throughout the pre-season. This is Arians giving Cooper a little motivational push.
If Coop is still tentative come Week 1, then it's an issue.
That is basically Cooper's issue right now; he is being tentative. This situation should work itself out throughout the pre-season. This is Arians giving Cooper a little motivational push.
If Coop is still tentative come Week 1, then it's an issue.
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That quote is two months old. 10 weeks later, and he's still out of shape? Again, the reason he wasn't IR. Designated to return is probably what you say. But it's been 11 months.
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BA had no patience for this mindset with Ryan Williams
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If I had to guess, I believe Arians is trying to push Cooper to push himself through the injury. You would hope he wouldn't have to, but some young players need to be pushed to really push themselves back from injury. They are used to being given time to recover at their own pace, but at the professional level, you aren't given that luxury. Arians is telling Copper to pick it up or get left in the dust, and hopefully Cooper responds.
I'm not going to freak out yet. Cooper has talent, smarts and has no rep for being a poor worker. I think, like with Massie, his physical ability will eventually win out. I just hopeit is sooner rather than later.
I'm not going to freak out yet. Cooper has talent, smarts and has no rep for being a poor worker. I think, like with Massie, his physical ability will eventually win out. I just hopeit is sooner rather than later.
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He didn't say he was out of shape he said he's not the same athlete he was before the injury, yet.
It's easy for you to say it's a 10 week injury it wasn't your leg.
If the Cards felt that they would have tried to keep him eligible to play last year, they didn't.
They clearly think he's not as far as they hoped he'd be but again they also clearly expected it would take him awhile to get back, that's why they did what they did last year and that's why Arians said that in June.
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The report was a broken bone without additional complications. Let's say that the recovery time for the injury was 50% longer. A 15 week injury that is now 40+ weeks in the past.
I'm not sure what the difference is between "out of shape" and "not the same athlete."
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Cooper is a 7th overall pick, who is currently struggling to keep a 4th round pick from taking his spot.
And the 4th round pick is currently getting beat out for the RG spot by a UDFA.
That would mean if Cooper were to lose this battle in camp, he would be riding the pine as a 7th overall pick.
Not good. Not good at all.
And the 4th round pick is currently getting beat out for the RG spot by a UDFA.
That would mean if Cooper were to lose this battle in camp, he would be riding the pine as a 7th overall pick.
Not good. Not good at all.
BASK draft pick #1. Uh oh
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I should say this: I don't think that Cooper is a bust; I don't think that Cooper's job is in jeopardy. Occham's razor tells me that the coaches think that Cooper is holding back, and are trying to remind him that no one's job is secure, that he's not Jared Veldheer, and that he's going to have to bring it. Every down.
The reality is that there's been one full-contact practice, and Cooper hasn't had the opportunity to destroy people day in and day out. I don't think this is about an injury; I think this is about effort.
Agreed. But the significant difference is that while Cooper may be holding back a bit, afraid to go all out; Ryan Williams was not even practicing in most instances.
I wonder if this is the first injury that Cooper has ever experienced since beginning to play football? Do any of you know?
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Cooper was a little slow getting out of the gates last year before the injury and was just starting to find a bit of a groove. Hopefully, this will be the case again, only this time he will be able to maintain his momentum.
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BA's Jedi mind tricks at work, nothing else.
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This really isn't a mind trick. BA holds all the players to high standards and he plays the players who are playing the best. Like he says, he could care less where they came from or where they were drafted. Like last year with Ellington, who outplayed Taylor, the higher draft pick. And again this year when RG Paul Fanaika has been just flat-out playing his butt off to keep his starting job.
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Out of shape means over weight, not in condition. Not the same athlete means not as explosive, as fast etc. If you read Coopers own comments he said he still has an issue favoring the leg and realizes he's not driving off the leg the way he did before. That doesn't mean he's not in shape it means he doesn't trust the leg yet and as a result he's not as athletic.
Clearly Arians is trying to light a fire under him.
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That can't be right.
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presser. BA said its rust and Coop's balance isnt where it needs to be. Cant be on the ground as much.
keim didnt mention john brown in fighting for the 5th WR slot
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Because he's the 4th WR--maybe the 3rd before too long.
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Yeah I've noticed him on the ground ALOT. It looks like he's really pressing - trying so hard to make contact, he winds up on the ground. That's how you get injured.
I also noticed how fat he looked, jogging up, tailing a couple plays. He was jiggling big time. I guess that's part of his mojo though. And maybe that's part of the problem. He's just an odd type of athlete. Maybe that combination of fat and athletic takes a long time to fine tune. I also wonder where his strength is at. I thought I remembered last year, he was one of the strongest OL at the combine. I know Campbell remarked about how strong Cooper was in practice. Is that strength still there?
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