Josh Apologists...

[D-Dogg]

We coulda put Navarre in and just had him throw shovel passes all day.

Shovel passes set/matched two records today!

 

[Pariah]

All McCown did is lob the ball up in the air. The receivers made the plays. No accuracy involved.

Exactly. Literally ANY healthy QB in the NFL could have made those passes.

Josh had his ups and downs today. I was happy to see him have the confidence in Q and Fitz to let go of those passes, but they weren't exactly shining examples of stellar quarterbacking.

 

[john h]

Well all he did was give us a chance to win. I guess we should see if king wants to start the last game.

I could care less about the other QB's today as it was McCown who was out there and anyway you look at it he stunk. He should have had about 5 interceptions. His TD's were just lobs that the receivers made great catches on. If Dennis Green keeps this guy as a starter next year he will get what he deserves. McCown hass basically started a full seasons worth of games and he looks like a backup at the very best. If he does not get it by now he never will. Believe what you see. We will probably be drafting in the #5 slot.

 

[john h]

Face it, hes the best we have so we play him. Whats the use of bashing him if he's the best we have. Its a long off-season, plenty of time for that.

If Starks makes the tackle instead of trying a strip on Dilfer Josh gets another chance.

We bash him because some people seem to think he is the QB of the future and they post such. He may be the best we got but that is not good enough.

 

[WisconsinCard]

All McCown did is lob the ball up in the air. The receivers made the plays. No accuracy involved.

Yea well before everyone was critizing him for not going deep now he does and any QB can do that. Face some like him some don't. Those who like him will find reason to like him. Those who don't will find reason to not.

 

[Pariah]

Yea well before everyone was critizing him for not going deep now he does and any QB can do that. Face some like him some don't. Those who like him will find reason to like him. Those who don't will find reason to not.

Actually, I don't dislike him. I WANT to find a reason to like him as a starter for the AZ Cardinals, but I can't. Not when we're heading into an offseason where we can make some improvements at the position.

 

[john h]

Face it, hes the best we have so we play him. Whats the use of bashing him if he's the best we have. Its a long off-season, plenty of time for that.

If Starks makes the tackle instead of trying a strip on Dilfer Josh gets another chance.

We lost that is reason enough for me.

 

[Shane]

Actually, I don't dislike him. I WANT to find a reason to like him as a starter for the AZ Cardinals, but I can't. Not when we're heading into an offseason where we can make some improvements at the position.

Do you think grooming another rookie is an upgrade?

 

[Pariah]

Do you think grooming another rookie is an upgrade?

No, not immediately (although I thought grooming a rookie, either Ebn or Eli, this year would have been). But, I do think Kitna, beldsoe or Johnson are upgrades.

I'd like our starter to be one of those guys with Josh in off the bench followed by Navarre.

 

[conraddobler]

Actually, I don't dislike him. I WANT to find a reason to like him as a starter for the AZ Cardinals, but I can't. Not when we're heading into an offseason where we can make some improvements at the position.

I really don't understand the whole debate about the guy in the first place. I don't see how we could be any less patient with him than Dennis Green will be.

He's not going to get any free rides. I don't see why people are so afraid we will just go with him we won't.

He's not going to be the only option he might not even be a option for us. It seems that cooler, more experienced heads will not flush more than one season down the drain on the guy.

I think we will sign a reasonably high profile FA QB and make them the starter and Josh may stay as the backup but if not then DG will feel whoever is behind Josh is capable of starting and I expect will play if he falters.

 

[Shane]

No, not immediately (although I thought grooming a rookie, either Ebn or Eli, this year would have been). But, I do think Kitna, beldsoe or Johnson are upgrades.

Bledsoe isnt available. DO you really think that Kitna could lead this team? Johnson is awfully old.

 

[Codeofhammurabi]

Yeah! Its Josh's fault there is no run game too!

I think this is the entire teams #1 problem. Whether it be the backs, line, or both.

 

[Pariah]

Bledsoe isnt available. DO you really think that Kitna could lead this team? Johnson is awfully old.

I think Bledsoe will be available as will Johnson. Kitna most certainly could lead this team--do you think he couldn't?

 

[Shane]

I think Bledsoe will be available as will Johnson. Kitna most certainly could lead this team--do you think he couldn't?

Even with Kitnas performance last year I am no fan of his!

 

[conraddobler]

I think Bledsoe will be available as will Johnson. Kitna most certainly could lead this team--do you think he couldn't?

IMO Kitna would not be an upgrade over Josh.

A decent O line and a killer RB and Bledsoe most certainly would be. I hope he's available but heck that team is on fire.

 

[D-Dogg]

I really don't understand the whole debate about the guy in the first place. I don't see how we could be any less patient with him than Dennis Green will be.

He's not going to get any free rides. I don't see why people are so afraid we will just go with him we won't.

He's not going to be the only option he might not even be a option for us. It seems that cooler, more experienced heads will not flush more than one season down the drain on the guy.

I think we will sign a reasonably high profile FA QB and make them the starter and Josh may stay as the backup but if not then DG will feel whoever is behind Josh is capable of starting and I expect will play if he falters.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=44692

It's that prevailing mindset in the link above that causes the debate about him.

 

[Pariah]

Even with Kitnas performance last year I am no fan of his!

Fair enough--now imagine if he had a year like McCowns how much you'd like him.

 

[wierwolf]

IMO Kitna would not be an upgrade over Josh.

A decent O line and a killer RB and Bledsoe most certainly would be. I hope he's available but heck that team is on fire.

Any QB with a decent Oline and a killer RB would be good. We need some blocking fair and square. Bledsoe sucked until he got some blocking. Last year he had no blocking period. Or any WR's besides moulds. And he sucked. This year is different. Josh will be fine with a decent O-line. Give Green a chance to make the right changes.

 

[football karma]

Josh isnt the reason this game wasnt won--

cant run, cant stop the run. Given the two teams rushing stats, this game shouldnt have been close.

ANY Qb short of Farve or Manning would have had similiar stats to McCown today given the pathetic run game.

 

[40yearfan]

Check this out:

Brett Favre - 1st. full year - 1992
3227 Yards - 18 TD's - 13 INT's

Brett Favre - 2nd. full year 1993
3303 Yards - 19 TD's - 24 INT's.

He was actually in his third fullseason before he became the QB we know and love today. In 1991, he started only 2 games, so I didn't quote his stats from that season.

What say we at least give Josh one full season before we bury him?

 

[ajcardfan]

Josh isnt the reason this game wasnt won--

cant run, cant stop the run. Given the two teams rushing stats, this game shouldnt have been close.

ANY Qb short of Farve or Manning would have had similiar stats to McCown today given the pathetic run game.

His mistakes played a role, just like everyone else's did. This loss should not be pinned on one guy, every phase of the game had a blunder. Josh's fumbles, sacks and INTs hurt too, but he wasn't the only reason for the loss, not at all.

 

[BigRedMO]

Seattle was totaly inept early in the game. A couple scoring drives would have destroyed their confidence and put them in a deep hole. A lack of consistent drives gave Seattle time to regroup. The Cardinals needs good consistent play at QB. McCown aint it. Try watching some other games and see what QBs can do with WRs less good than the Cardinals. Watching the Cardinals too long lowers your expectancy of what a QB and an offense should be able to do.

23rd in passing offense does not cut it after the investment that has been made at WR the last two years. I said in July going into the season without a viable alternative in case MCcown did not cut it would be a disaster. Overall this team was much better than I expected. With a servicable QB this team could have won the West.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Yup always the defenses fault. Nothing to do with the fact they are on the field twice as much with the offense in the great 3 and out formation.

Thats just flat out not true.

TOP was 32:32 to 27:28 in favor of the cards.

Ask yourself, swd, which was the greater problem for the cardinals offense today, the passing game or the running game?

Emmitt had 65 yards on 23 carries. Thats pathetic (sorry emmitt!). He looks for the cut back almost EVERY SINGLE TIME, and he is too slow at this point to get to the hole.

Alexander, on the other had, shredded our defense for 154 yards.

I'm not saying that Josh played great today, but we lost because we couldn't run, and we couldn't stop the run. Its just that simple. If you want to try to pin it on Josh, go ahead. But it won't change the truth.

 

[football karma]

The Cardinals did not run the football, nor stop the run.

As a result, to win the games where this occurs, they need absolutely perfect play from the QB position.

I think its unreasonable to expect any qb, much less a first year starter, to play perfectly, and when he doesnt, to place the blame for the game at his feet.

No QB the team could realistically expect to bring in here next year will perform any better than McCown has unless the problem of the running game and the running defense is addressed.

 

[AzCards21]

Anyone attempting to pin this loss solely on Josh is a moron.