Josh McCown Is The Answer

[40yearfan]

Yes - for one reason and one reason alone am I truly optimistic about the Cards, not only for this year but for years to come - I think we FINALLY have our long term answer at QB. I know I was one of those ranting and raving about not passing up on one of those franchise QB's in the draft and how it could be a decision we regret for the rest of eternity, but I have seen the light and it's emanating from the bright blonde hair on lopped on top of even more blinding white skin (if he had red eyes, I would swear Josh was an albino). The kid can sling it, can take off with his wheels and seems to finally have something that this team has lacked for years - leadership.

Combine a kid's talents that Josh possesses with an offensive football mind like DG and I think our offense (if ever healthy) next year with the addition of one of many stud FA running backs (or high draft pick) will absolutely MAUL people next year. With Anquan fully recovered, Fitz havign ayear under his belt and our O-line soldified, we will be dominating next year, and dominating on offense for years to come. How freaking unbelievable will that be?

On defense - well, we'll see. To me, we added two HUGE chunks to the D with Macklin and Berry and the way I look at it, is with the offense being one piece (a stud RB) away from being dominant, most of the focus next offseason will be designed around building up the other side of the ball and there ARE some pieces there already. We'll see how the draft picks develop (Dansby, Dockett) and we'll see if Gerald Hayes CAN actually be that player we hope he will be, but make no mistake about it - this team is on the rise and while they may not indicate in record this season, they are being built, finally by someone who knows what they're doing and I for one, couldn't be happier . . . although I still can't believe that throughout the preseason, we have our top 3 receivers all go down and our starying RB - that really doesn't happen TO ANY TEAM IN THE ENTIRE WORLD - I mean can ANYONE - EVER - think about a similar scenario where a team throughout training camp loses ALL of their starting skill positions at once on offense?

TWO WEEKS TILL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheese, I wish you could have been at the game. The attitude of this team is amazing and you just can't get that off of the TV. They walk with a swagger and they were in the faces of the Oakland team through out the first 3 quarters.

You've got to make the NE game. We need a win.

 

[Rats]

He's no finished product but he's a lot further along than I expected. I still think Ben will be a better QB, Leftwich too, but I think in this system with healthy WR's Josh will be OK.

My concern is still will he stay healthy, like Rosenbach he seems to have no regard for his body, can't survive like that in the NFL.

What is it going to take to get you off the fence Russ. You have been a life long Cards fan and yet you can get behind other teams QBs but not ours. Jake, I understood. He had defeciancies that not many here wanted to admit. But still the majority stood behind him. I will bet as a young kid you wanted to see Hart keep the job rather than giving Lomax the ball. Always looking for the safe bet. Never going out on a limb....how can you live man.......

 

[Russ Smith]

What is it going to take to get you off the fence Russ. You have been a life long Cards fan and yet you can get behind other teams QBs but not ours. Jake, I understood. He had defeciancies that not many here wanted to admit. But still the majority stood behind him. I will bet as a young kid you wanted to see Hart keep the job rather than giving Lomax the ball. Always looking for the safe bet. Never going out on a limb....how can you live man.......

Huh?

I was all for Lomax, and safe bet, Hell I've been advocating change for years. I was the one complaining we didn't cut Brown and sign O'Donnell or George in 99, both of whom took less money than Brown made to play for a contender, which we were supposed to be that year. That decision forced us to play an injured Jake and helped demolish the season.

What I find ironic is in one thread I'm "arguing" with this guy and I'm defending Josh, but you're apparently unhappy that I consider Leftwich and Ben to be better prospects? With all due respect, the ENTIRE NFL agrees with me, that's why they were both top 10 picks and Josh went in round 3.

I am impressed with Josh, he's much better than I expected, but the thing that I agree with This_guy about is at this poing Josh is still FAR too reliant on his wheels to make plays, that shortens careers in the NFL.

Ben likes to throw on the run too, guess what the Steelers are working with him on, make plays from the pocket. Leftwich can't run, but he's much more effective in the pocket. And the fact is as nice an arm as Josh has, Ben and Byron have better arms, they can make throws that very few NFL QB's can make.

To clarify, I'm not "on the fence" , since the Raider game I've been positively gushing about Josh' improvement, but I am still VERY concerned he won't last the year the way he plays, he doesn't protect himself enough when he runs, he won't survive doing that, especially on THIS team with THIS OL.

That's all I'm saying. If you don't think DG would trade him straight up for Leftwich or Ben in a heartbeat you're crazy, he would. Simply put we passed on Ben because Green needed Fitz to install his system, not because he felt Josh was better than Ben.

Green LOVES Leftwich said so on ESPN several times last year.

 

[This_Guy]

What is it going to take to get you off the fence Russ. You have been a life long Cards fan and yet you can get behind other teams QBs but not ours. Jake, I understood. He had defeciancies that not many here wanted to admit. But still the majority stood behind him. I will bet as a young kid you wanted to see Hart keep the job rather than giving Lomax the ball. Always looking for the safe bet. Never going out on a limb....how can you live man.......

C'mon. You are wondering why someone is not sold that "McCown is the answer" when he has yet to lead 1 TD drive against a starting NFL defense in 3 halves of preseason football? (The TD vs Oakland came as soon as Oakland cleared their bench) If you have already come to the conclusion that McCown is the answer, you need to put the kool aid down for a few minutes.

... and kudos to anyone who never got on the Jake Plummer bandwaggon, as Plummer was and still is incapable of playing the QB position consistently and successfully.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

joeshmo & clif,

I don't buy off on the 3 starting WR's being out as an excuse for Josh, because I think Josh is to quick to resort to his feet rather than standing in there long enough to let a play develop.

Granted our OL is not the best, but I would like to see him stand in there longer than he is now. I don't know that better WR's will make that big of a difference for Josh in toning down on his "happy feet" syndrome. While Josh is running around I think he is not seeing the entire field and limiting his chances of success.

Russ has a good point about Josh's lack of production in the redzone. Here I can see how a Boldin, Fitzgerald type WR can make a difference, but in between the 20's, the Kaspers and Pooles are capable WR's in my opinion.

 

[Rats]

Huh?

I was all for Lomax, and safe bet, Hell I've been advocating change for years. I was the one complaining we didn't cut Brown and sign O'Donnell or George in 99, both of whom took less money than Brown made to play for a contender, which we were supposed to be that year. That decision forced us to play an injured Jake and helped demolish the season.

What I find ironic is in one thread I'm "arguing" with this guy and I'm defending Josh, but you're apparently unhappy that I consider Leftwich and Ben to be better prospects? With all due respect, the ENTIRE NFL agrees with me, that's why they were both top 10 picks and Josh went in round 3.

I am impressed with Josh, he's much better than I expected, but the thing that I agree with This_guy about is at this poing Josh is still FAR too reliant on his wheels to make plays, that shortens careers in the NFL.

Ben likes to throw on the run too, guess what the Steelers are working with him on, make plays from the pocket. Leftwich can't run, but he's much more effective in the pocket. And the fact is as nice an arm as Josh has, Ben and Byron have better arms, they can make throws that very few NFL QB's can make.

To clarify, I'm not "on the fence" , since the Raider game I've been positively gushing about Josh' improvement, but I am still VERY concerned he won't last the year the way he plays, he doesn't protect himself enough when he runs, he won't survive doing that, especially on THIS team with THIS OL.

That's all I'm saying. If you don't think DG would trade him straight up for Leftwich or Ben in a heartbeat you're crazy, he would. Simply put we passed on Ben because Green needed Fitz to install his system, not because he felt Josh was better than Ben.

Green LOVES Leftwich said so on ESPN several times last year.

I hadn't read the other thread but now that I have I would still have to say that you sit on the sidelines and don't like to go out on a limb. Had Josh had a bad game you would more than likely crucified him and since he is showing progress the naysayers say he is a product of Coach Greens system....please. Just fricken take a stand that doesn't include well we will see....so as to give yourself an out with people here....jeezzz

 

[Rats]

joeshmo & clif,

I don't buy off on the 3 starting WR's being out as an excuse for Josh, because I think Josh is to quick to resort to his feet rather than standing in there long enough to let a play develop.

Granted our OL is not the best, but I would like to see him stand in there longer than he is now. I don't know that better WR's will make that big of a difference for Josh in toning down on his "happy feet" syndrome. While Josh is running around I think he is not seeing the entire field and limiting his chances of success.

Russ has a good point about Josh's lack of production in the redzone. Here I can see how a Boldin, Fitzgerald type WR can make a difference, but in between the 20's, the Kaspers and Pooles are capable WR's in my opinion.

During the first drive Josh had some happy feet moments but later on he went thru his reads found his tight end several times as the safety valve. I think our pass blocking has to improve for him to stand in the pocket for any length of time with out getting killed. He does however need to get down rather than taking the shots he takes. He won't last doing that. Josh is making strides and after this season if he stays healthy there will not be anymore question marks about him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

too early to say this stuff. let's wait 'til the bullets start flying for real and see what mccown's got. i put very little behind preseason performances. i want josh to succeed, i'm still just very skeptical.

in the immortal words of some drunken brilliant sage I came across in San Diego this last weekend - "I'll kill you . . . I'll kill you in the front." How dare you besmirch your master!?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I hate it when I agree with Cheesebeef.

McCown looked like butter on saturday. No one could hang on to him.

He's got three kids, a wife, a mortgage, and a little brother in the NFL. His dad is a coach.

He was on The Best Damn Sports show with the Seahawks Shawn Alexander. Shawn tried to give Josh a little lip about how they were going to do against us this year. Josh got defensive right away, gave it right back to him. Then they went outside to throw the football around, I swear, Josh tried to take his head off when he wasn't looking.

It's still early for Josh, but I like what I'm seeing.

How did you feel when he got his clock cleaned on his last series?

me? I felt kind of nauseated. That was bad.

 

[Rats]

C'mon. You are wondering why someone is not sold that "McCown is the answer" when he has yet to lead 1 TD drive against a starting NFL defense in 3 halves of preseason football? (The TD vs Oakland came as soon as Oakland cleared their bench) If you have already come to the conclusion that McCown is the answer, you need to put the kool aid down for a few minutes.

... and kudos to anyone who never got on the Jake Plummer bandwaggon, as Plummer was and still is incapable of playing the QB position consistently and successfully.

The conclusion that I have come to is you have a serious defiecency in your logic when it comes to football. Russ does not need you to defend his position, he can write a novel on why with the facts everyone who disagrees with him knows very little about the game, however what those facts don't talk about is what the game is really about. You guys have no passion for anything but stats. The passion is in the game itself and if you can't see that McCown is the embodiment of that passion then you are disengenuous about why you want to critic the kid. Maybe you have a thing for a coachs system or want to see a black QB succeed, whatever it is there are things that Josh can do that not one other QB on this team can do and only a few others in the league can do. That is what an athletic guy that can make reads and tuck it when he has to gets you. A high third down conversion rate. But more than that he plays with a swagger that you won't see on tv. I was at the last two games and he has that Lomax swagger as I like to call it. The great ones have it. No system is going to give it to you if you don't have it. Guys follow that kind of leadership. Coaches drool over that kind of leadership. You guys want to quantify it in a stat.....you can't. It is the same Plummer problem except the guy we have now actually has measurables and can throw a tight pass. It never ends with you guys. Just come out and say I don't like him or I like him...it ain't hard. That way we all know where you stand rather than trying to hide behind your stats.

 

[Russ Smith]

I hadn't read the other thread but now that I have I would still have to say that you sit on the sidelines and don't like to go out on a limb. Had Josh had a bad game you would more than likely crucified him and since he is showing progress the naysayers say he is a product of Coach Greens system....please. Just fricken take a stand that doesn't include well we will see....so as to give yourself an out with people here....jeezzz

You mean like saying in 1998 that Plummer cost us a division title and we shouldn't have committed that much money to a guy prone to turn the ball over?

Give me a break, last year when everyone was recycling the old boys network of coaching, I was saying hire Heimerdinger, taking a stance nobody else agrees with is NOT something I have a problem doing.

My concern on Josh has always been the same, it's not his body that concerns me it's his head, his first inclination is to pull it down and run. Remember when Josh was at SMU the coaches were so impressed with his ability to run a passing system they junked it for an option, Josh decided to transfer out feeling that offense would hurt his pro chances. Very good but you can't help but understand why SMU did that, he loved to run.

I like Josh, I think we should have taken Leftwich last year, I'd have taken Taylor or tried to move down this year, but that doesn't mean I have to proclaim Josh the best QB prospect in the NFL. Hey I'm not even saying Leftwich or Ben have that position, I still say if he hasn't lost his arm, Drew Henson may be better than either one of them, and you will recall my constant pleading for us to get him when most thought it was nuts.

But hey that's me, afraid to take a stand.

 

[Russ Smith]

Guys follow that kind of leadership. Coaches drool over that kind of leadership. You guys want to quantify it in a stat.....you can't. It is the same Plummer problem except the guy we have now actually has measurables and can throw a tight pass. It never ends with you guys. Just come out and say I don't like him or I like him...it ain't hard. That way we all know where you stand rather than trying to hide behind your stats.

When did I run over your dog rats?

Remember this is the same Josh that last year prompted Rod Graves to complain about his tendency to get nervous permeating through the whole offense. That's why I'm so excited about his development, because I don't see the guy who hit Shelton in the helmet right now, I see a kid who suddenly believes in himself, something he didn't even do in college.

As for make a decision and stick to it, that's precisely what got us 6 years of Jake Plummer at QB. in the NFL you can NOT be stubborn, if you make a decision and it's proven wrong, you have to be willing to change your decision. Talent is not the end all in the NFL, lots of guys are faster or have a stronger arm than Tom Brady, but he gets it, he understands the system he's in, plays within in, and lets his teammates make him better, a lot of more talented QB's have failed to do that. That's the beauty of Green's system, it takes a lot of the pressure off the QB.

We're in a great spot with Josh, he's not paid much by NFL standards, and we have his rights. If he plays well, we keep him, if he struggles you can be positive that DG will jettison him and find someone else, that's what he does at QB.

Can I ask a simple favor, go through my posts today on Josh and cut and paste all the comments about stats I made, and post it in a new thread, shouldn't take you too long.

Talk about hypocrisy, I'm telling others they're wrong, look in a mirror what are you telling me right now?

Sorry skorp I rarely take stuff personally here but this was a cheapshot from someone who's been taking shots at me for about a week.

 

[Rats]

When did I run over your dog rats?

Remember this is the same Josh that last year prompted Rod Graves to complain about his tendency to get nervous permeating through the whole offense. That's why I'm so excited about his development, because I don't see the guy who hit Shelton in the helmet right now, I see a kid who suddenly believes in himself, something he didn't even do in college.

As for make a decision and stick to it, that's precisely what got us 6 years of Jake Plummer at QB. in the NFL you can NOT be stubborn, if you make a decision and it's proven wrong, you have to be willing to change your decision. Talent is not the end all in the NFL, lots of guys are faster or have a stronger arm than Tom Brady, but he gets it, he understands the system he's in, plays within in, and lets his teammates make him better, a lot of more talented QB's have failed to do that. That's the beauty of Green's system, it takes a lot of the pressure off the QB.

We're in a great spot with Josh, he's not paid much by NFL standards, and we have his rights. If he plays well, we keep him, if he struggles you can be positive that DG will jettison him and find someone else, that's what he does at QB.

Can I ask a simple favor, go through my posts today on Josh and cut and paste all the comments about stats I made, and post it in a new thread, shouldn't take you too long.

Talk about hypocrisy, I'm telling others they're wrong, look in a mirror what are you telling me right now?

Sorry skorp I rarely take stuff personally here but this was a cheapshot from someone who's been taking shots at me for about a week.

There have been no cheapshots thrown out here. You have been called out on our QB. You refuse to say he is the guy because you can't back it up one way or the other with a stat. Anyone who has been here for awhile knows which posters rarely take a stand but would rather try and talk the other guy to death with meaningless stats. If you want a cheapshot Russ I would say the real problem I have with someone that has spent so much time here as you have still would rather go fishing on game day rather than seeing the game. You would pontificate about the game based on the stats and hi-lights and expect the rest of us to believe that you have some super insight into the game. I appreciate that you are a long time fan as I am but it gets old having to go over the same thing season after season hereing about this stat and that stat doesn't support your position or go find me a stat that can back you up. I don't have a problem with you personally, just the position you take on nearly everything. You wait until you can I told you so and then you do it just like with the Henson referance. So you can say I told you so. There are a handful of guys here that think there post count makes them more important than the other fan and yes I am fed up with that position. Just because you talk someone to death don't make what you say so. I will simply put you on ignore and move on. You should do the same. End of rant.

 

[chickenhead]

I think McCown is really excited to be starting for this team, and will be dedicated. Maybe being a Cards fan makes me welcome small victories, but this is something I like. We can debate his pros and cons until we're blue in the face, but the true test is yet to come. Hopefully he'll start every game this season and we'll have a much better idea in the second half.

 

[red desert]

Hmm I don't know about that though... One of the keys with Green is that he never has had to pay a lot of money to a QB. This has allowed him to put the teams money in other positions which really helps. If Green can pick QB's like he has in the past I think that will be our biggest strength. I say McCown becomes a great qb, asks for a gazillion dollars we let him go and find another qb to take his place while putting our money into other areas....

This has worried my from day one that Green annointed McCown the answer. We should extend him now.

 

[Duckjake]

I too have been a McCown doubter who has recently seen the light. He really looked good Saturday and could blossom into a special QB. The Raiders announcers were raving about him. I am not worried about the QB position at all right now - I thought King looked servicable as a back up and Navarre even looks good.

On a side note, Jim Plunkett has to be on of the most horrible announcers around. For example, when they showed the halftime stats he said "nothing really stands out in the stats". Um hello, time of possession 20:00 to 10:00!!

I have a question about the NFL Network airing of the Cards-Raiders game.

Did they switch broadcasts? Seems like the first half was Cardinal announcers and the 2nd half the Raiders. Or was there an analyst for each team involved in the broadcast?

 

[Capital Card]

I have a question about the NFL Network airing of the Cards-Raiders game.

Did they switch broadcasts? Seems like the first half was Cardinal announcers and the 2nd half the Raiders. Or was there an analyst for each team involved in the broadcast?

They switched broadcasts. Not only were the announcers different for both halves, the graphics were different as well

I liked Dave Pasche and John Mitzler better, but I'm obviously biased.

Go Cards!!!

 

[CaptTurbo]

They switched broadcasts. Not only were the announcers different for both halves, the graphics were different as well

I liked Dave Pasche and John Mitzler better, but I'm obviously biased.

Go Cards!!!

Yeah that was really neat. Wish they did that on all games. You get good info on both teams.

 

[Duckjake]

They switched broadcasts. Not only were the announcers different for both halves, the graphics were different as well

I liked Dave Pasche and John Mitzler better, but I'm obviously biased.

Go Cards!!!

I thought something like that happened when I read the reference to Plunkett and then heard the announcer call McKinnon "MacDog" while watching the tape of the first quarter this morning.

 

[This_Guy]

The conclusion that I have come to is you have a serious defiecency in your logic when it comes to football. Russ does not need you to defend his position, he can write a novel on why with the facts everyone who disagrees with him knows very little about the game, however what those facts don't talk about is what the game is really about.

I have a deficiency of logic? I don't think so. In fact, the very argument I continue to make is that football is not about measurables, but winners and playmakers. So you really don't even know what my logic is based on.

You guys have no passion for anything but stats.

No. I make arguments, and then support them with facts, or stats.

The passion is in the game itself and if you can't see that McCown is the embodiment of that passion then you are disengenuous about why you want to critic the kid.

Your bleeding heart story about McCown is just heartwarming. I'm sure that McCown is the only passionate player on the Cards or in the rest of the NFL for that matter. McCown plays for the love of the game, while every other football player is a heartless jerk who doesn't deserve the love.

Maybe you have a thing for a coachs system or want to see a black QB succeed,

Uhhh, I'm Jewish, so I don't think that's it.

whatever it is there are things that Josh can do that not one other QB on this team can do and only a few others in the league can do.

Now you sound foolish. There are things that most NFL QBs can do that Josh cannot do (to this point), and some of those include reading a defense and stepping up in the pocket to name a couple of basic ones.

That is what an athletic guy that can make reads and tuck it when he has to gets you.

Yes and that's great, but it doesn't matter if he isn't good in the pocket, which he has not proven yet.

A high third down conversion rate.

What happened to not being about stats? What about the low TD rate?

But more than that he plays with a swagger that you won't see on tv. I was at the last two games and he has that Lomax swagger as I like to call it.

Comical. If he does, that's likely because he has no idea what to expect, as there's no job tougher than NFL QB, and it's why young guys usually don't succeed at that position. McCown is pretty wet behind the ears, and I don't even think he would say that he has a swagger yet, he knows he has a lot to learn.

The great ones have it. No system is going to give it to you if you don't have it. Guys follow that kind of leadership. Coaches drool over that kind of leadership. You guys want to quantify it in a stat.....you can't.

Actually, you can. It's called wins. It's no coincidence when a QB has a high winning percentage, a point I've been trying to make for a while.

It is the same Plummer problem except the guy we have now actually has measurables and can throw a tight pass.

No, it is just the opposite. After 7 years, many of us have caught on that Plummer is NOT wired to be a winner, because he makes numerous mental mistakes. Whether you have measureables or not (there you go with those quantifiable stats again), if you don't have it in your head to be a winner, it won't matter.

Take your weak, contradictory rant to someone else.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Yes - for one reason and one reason alone am I truly optimistic about the Cards, not only for this year but for years to come - I think we FINALLY have our long term answer at QB. I know I was one of those ranting and raving about not passing up on one of those franchise QB's in the draft and how it could be a decision we regret for the rest of eternity, but I have seen the light and it's emanating from the bright blonde hair on lopped on top of even more blinding white skin (if he had red eyes, I would swear Josh was an albino). The kid can sling it, can take off with his wheels and seems to finally have something that this team has lacked for years - leadership.

Combine a kid's talents that Josh possesses with an offensive football mind like DG and I think our offense (if ever healthy) next year with the addition of one of many stud FA running backs (or high draft pick) will absolutely MAUL people next year. With Anquan fully recovered, Fitz havign ayear under his belt and our O-line soldified, we will be dominating next year, and dominating on offense for years to come. How freaking unbelievable will that be?

On defense - well, we'll see. To me, we added two HUGE chunks to the D with Macklin and Berry and the way I look at it, is with the offense being one piece (a stud RB) away from being dominant, most of the focus next offseason will be designed around building up the other side of the ball and there ARE some pieces there already. We'll see how the draft picks develop (Dansby, Dockett) and we'll see if Gerald Hayes CAN actually be that player we hope he will be, but make no mistake about it - this team is on the rise and while they may not indicate in record this season, they are being built, finally by someone who knows what they're doing and I for one, couldn't be happier . . . although I still can't believe that throughout the preseason, we have our top 3 receivers all go down and our starying RB - that really doesn't happen TO ANY TEAM IN THE ENTIRE WORLD - I mean can ANYONE - EVER - think about a similar scenario where a team throughout training camp loses ALL of their starting skill positions at once on offense?

TWO WEEKS TILL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO BIG FELLA!


A little too early to annoint him the savior isnt it? What happens if he stinks it up next game, next 3 games, all season?

Lets wait and see!

 

[Bobcat]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO BIG FELLA!


A little too early to annoint him the savior isnt it? What happens if he stinks it up next game, next 3 games, all season?

Lets wait and see!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO LITTLE FELLA!

What if you show a little confidence and stop being so darn negative. Let some of us relish in the thought that just maybe Josh is going to be and is our guy.

Allan

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO LITTLE FELLA!

What if you show a little confidence and stop being so darn negative. Let some of us relish in the thought that just maybe Josh is going to be and is our guy.

Allan

Where did that come from??

I am being negative because I want to take a wait and see attitude on a guy who cant lead his team to a TD in preseason. Who has started 4 NFL regular season games? Who has 1 win?

I full admit he played better last game and I was much more impressed, but blindly buying into Josh is the same scenario that got us 6 years of Plummer.

But you probably dont see anything wrong with that!

 

[Cheesebeef]

LV - it's just a gut feeling I have. My gut's been right about this team more times than not - you should know I'm not one to make the kind of claim I did here very easily. Taking the wait and see attitude is the prudent thing to do - and I
m probably setting myself up to be crushed, but there's just this good angging feeling that he's finally it . . . like you said - we'll see . . .

 

[Russ Smith]

Uhhh, I'm Jewish, so I don't think that's it. .

Aha, that explains the whole Shaun King obsession

I sent the guy a long PM explaining my position, and then put him on ignore as he requested.