Just looked over our roster on the team website...

[Chopper0080]

...and it looks pretty crappy. I know the offseason is only weeks old, but this is a pretty sad collection of talent when you look at it as a group.

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE
20 Bucannon, Deone $LB 6-1 211 25 4 Washington State

Allen, Josh C 6-3 315 26 1 Louisiana-Monroe
53 Shipley, A.Q. C 6-1 307 31 6 Penn State
79 Tuerk, Max C 6-5 298 24 2 USC
70 Boehm, Evan C/G 6-3 310 24 2 Missouri
62 Munyer, Daniel C/G 6-1 305 26 1 Colorado

39 Carter, Jarell CB 5-10 196 22 R Trinity International
42 Goodwin, C.J. CB 6-4 220 28 2 California (PA)
45 Moxey, Jonathan CB 5-10 188 23 R Boise State
21 Peterson, Patrick CB 6-1 203 27 7 LSU
26 Williams, Brandon CB 6-0 200 25 2 Texas A&M
Young, Lou CB 6-0 205 26 2 Georgia Tech

95 Gunter, Rodney DL 6-5 305 26 3 Delaware State
90 Nkemdiche, Robert DL 6-4 296 23 2 Mississippi
98 Peters, Corey DL 6-3 305 29 8 Kentucky
72 Pierre, Olsen DL 6-5 293 26 1 Miami (Fla.)
94 Williams, Xavier DL 6-2 309 26 3 Northern Iowa
63 Anau, Peli DT 6-3 282 24 R Northern Arizona
65 Tasini, Pasoni DT 6-3 295 24 R Utah

69 Holden, Will G 6-7 312 24 R Vanderbilt
76 Iupati, Mike G 6-5 331 30 8 Idaho
Pugh, Justin G 6-5 311 27 6 Syracuse

57 Bynes, Josh ILB 6-1 235 28 5 Auburn
Cash, Jeremy ILB 6-0 230 25 2 Duke
50 Martin, Gabe ILB 6-2 235 25 2 Bowling Green
43 Reddick, Haason ILB 6-1 235 23 R Temple
49 Robinson, Edmond ILB 6-3 245 26 3 Newberry
58 Wright, Scooby ILB 6-0 240 23 2 Arizona

4 Dawson, Phil K 5-11 200 43 18 Texas
46 Brewer, Aaron LS 6-5 232 27 6 San Diego State
Williams, Drew LS 6-3 190 23 1 South Carolina

54 Albright, Bryson OLB 6-5 235 24 1 Miami (Ohio)
59 Dora, Vontarrius OLB 6-4 256 25 2 Louisiana Tech
44 Golden, Markus OLB 6-3 260 27 3 Missouri
55 Jones, Chandler OLB 6-5 265 28 6 Syracuse
Martin-Oguike, Praise OLB 6-1 256 24 1 Temple

2 Lee, Andy P 6-1 185 35 14 Pittsburgh

Bradford, Sam QB 6-4 224 30 9 Oklahoma
Glennon, Mike QB 6-6 229 28 6 North Carolina State

37 Foster, D.J. RB 6-0 195 24 2 Arizona State
48 Hill, Bronson RB 5-10 215 25 1 Eastern Michigan
31 Johnson, David RB 6-1 224 26 3 Northern Iowa
22 Logan, T.J. RB 5-10 195 23 R North Carolina
35 Penny, Elijhaa RB 6-2 234 24 1 Idaho
38 Victor, Darius RB 5-8 209 24 R Towson

36 Baker, Budda S 5-10 195 22 R Washington
41 Bethea, Antoine S 5-11 206 33 11 Howard
30 Ford, Rudy S 6-0 204 23 R Auburn
34 Miller, Harlan S 6-0 182 23 1 Southeastern Louisiana

74 Humphries, D.J. T 6-5 307 24 3 Florida
78 Painter, Vinston T 6-4 318 28 3 Virginia Tech
Smith, Andre T 6-4 330 31 10 Alabama
68 Veldheer, Jared T 6-8 321 30 8 Hillsdale
73 Wetzel, John T 6-7 328 26 2 Boston College

84 Gresham, Jermaine TE 6-5 260 29 8 Oklahoma
85 Holmes, Gabe TE 6-5 255 26 3 Purdue
86 Seals-Jones, Ricky TE 6-5 243 23 R Texas A&M

19 Agudosi, Carlton WR 6-6 220 24 R Rutgers
11 Fitzgerald, Larry WR 6-3 218 34 14 Pittsburgh
Hamilton, Cobi WR 6-2 201 27 2 Arkansas
14 Nelson, J.J. WR 5-10 160 25 3 UAB
17 Ross, Rashad WR 6-0 180 28 4 Arizona State
16 Williams, Chad WR 6-1 204 23 R Grambling State

 

[gmabel830]

If you just change the C next to Josh Allen's name to QB, it looks a little better. [emoji16]

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[iLLmatiC]

It should be a fun upcoming season..

 

[juza76]

And I m still asking to myself how Bradford did choose Arizona is beyond me, he said is loaded of talents
I see a roster with so many weakness
I dont see us trading up, we should trade down and get as much picks as we can, and please stop gambling on small school prospects

Martin was signed by giants and Williams is a chief

 

[Rivercard]

I'm surprised Larry decided to come back to this roster.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

You can even cross Xavier Williams off there as well LOL

 

[cardncubfan]

I see a good solid team that has a few needs. We will be fine this year.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah. I'm not super-enthused.

People wanna get twitterpated about 2016 and what's possible with a healthy David Johnson, but Carson Palmer threw for over 4200 yards that season, more than Sam Bradford has ever passed for in a single year.

Can you imagine if Jermaine Gresham can't play in the first quarter of the year?

 

[Ohcrap75]

C.J. Goodwin really 6'4 corner or typo?

 

[Ohcrap75]

We are set at third string center!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Cornerback and receiver looks super suspect. Real bad. The Cardinals HAVE to sign some vets and add a draft pick or two to each group. Scary. ILB looks bad if Reddick makes no progres, but it's passable. TE is passable, but not great. I think the OL looks better on paper. QB....ok if Bradford stays healthy. DL if fine. Safety is fine. RB...The Cardinals could use a true backup to David Johnson.

 

[GatorAZ]

Looks like another IR championship roster to me.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

...and it looks pretty crappy. I know the offseason is only weeks old, but this is a pretty sad collection of talent when you look at it as a group.

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE
20 Bucannon, Deone $LB 6-1 211 25 4 Washington State

Allen, Josh C 6-3 315 26 1 Louisiana-Monroe
53 Shipley, A.Q. C 6-1 307 31 6 Penn State
79 Tuerk, Max C 6-5 298 24 2 USC
70 Boehm, Evan C/G 6-3 310 24 2 Missouri
62 Munyer, Daniel C/G 6-1 305 26 1 Colorado

39 Carter, Jarell CB 5-10 196 22 R Trinity International
42 Goodwin, C.J. CB 6-4 220 28 2 California (PA)
45 Moxey, Jonathan CB 5-10 188 23 R Boise State
21 Peterson, Patrick CB 6-1 203 27 7 LSU
26 Williams, Brandon CB 6-0 200 25 2 Texas A&M
Young, Lou CB 6-0 205 26 2 Georgia Tech

95 Gunter, Rodney DL 6-5 305 26 3 Delaware State
90 Nkemdiche, Robert DL 6-4 296 23 2 Mississippi
98 Peters, Corey DL 6-3 305 29 8 Kentucky
72 Pierre, Olsen DL 6-5 293 26 1 Miami (Fla.)
94 Williams, Xavier DL 6-2 309 26 3 Northern Iowa
63 Anau, Peli DT 6-3 282 24 R Northern Arizona
65 Tasini, Pasoni DT 6-3 295 24 R Utah

69 Holden, Will G 6-7 312 24 R Vanderbilt
76 Iupati, Mike G 6-5 331 30 8 Idaho
Pugh, Justin G 6-5 311 27 6 Syracuse

57 Bynes, Josh ILB 6-1 235 28 5 Auburn
Cash, Jeremy ILB 6-0 230 25 2 Duke
50 Martin, Gabe ILB 6-2 235 25 2 Bowling Green
43 Reddick, Haason ILB 6-1 235 23 R Temple
49 Robinson, Edmond ILB 6-3 245 26 3 Newberry
58 Wright, Scooby ILB 6-0 240 23 2 Arizona

4 Dawson, Phil K 5-11 200 43 18 Texas
46 Brewer, Aaron LS 6-5 232 27 6 San Diego State
Williams, Drew LS 6-3 190 23 1 South Carolina

54 Albright, Bryson OLB 6-5 235 24 1 Miami (Ohio)
59 Dora, Vontarrius OLB 6-4 256 25 2 Louisiana Tech
44 Golden, Markus OLB 6-3 260 27 3 Missouri
55 Jones, Chandler OLB 6-5 265 28 6 Syracuse
Martin-Oguike, Praise OLB 6-1 256 24 1 Temple

2 Lee, Andy P 6-1 185 35 14 Pittsburgh

Bradford, Sam QB 6-4 224 30 9 Oklahoma
Glennon, Mike QB 6-6 229 28 6 North Carolina State

37 Foster, D.J. RB 6-0 195 24 2 Arizona State
48 Hill, Bronson RB 5-10 215 25 1 Eastern Michigan
31 Johnson, David RB 6-1 224 26 3 Northern Iowa
22 Logan, T.J. RB 5-10 195 23 R North Carolina
35 Penny, Elijhaa RB 6-2 234 24 1 Idaho
38 Victor, Darius RB 5-8 209 24 R Towson

36 Baker, Budda S 5-10 195 22 R Washington
41 Bethea, Antoine S 5-11 206 33 11 Howard
30 Ford, Rudy S 6-0 204 23 R Auburn
34 Miller, Harlan S 6-0 182 23 1 Southeastern Louisiana

74 Humphries, D.J. T 6-5 307 24 3 Florida
78 Painter, Vinston T 6-4 318 28 3 Virginia Tech
Smith, Andre T 6-4 330 31 10 Alabama
68 Veldheer, Jared T 6-8 321 30 8 Hillsdale
73 Wetzel, John T 6-7 328 26 2 Boston College

84 Gresham, Jermaine TE 6-5 260 29 8 Oklahoma
85 Holmes, Gabe TE 6-5 255 26 3 Purdue
86 Seals-Jones, Ricky TE 6-5 243 23 R Texas A&M

19 Agudosi, Carlton WR 6-6 220 24 R Rutgers
11 Fitzgerald, Larry WR 6-3 218 34 14 Pittsburgh
Hamilton, Cobi WR 6-2 201 27 2 Arkansas
14 Nelson, J.J. WR 5-10 160 25 3 UAB
17 Ross, Rashad WR 6-0 180 28 4 Arizona State
16 Williams, Chad WR 6-1 204 23 R Grambling State

We'll be fine.

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[Buckybird]

5-11 here we come

 

[Chopper0080]

The good news is that we have some young talent at keys spots as well at some premium positions. If we can get league average production out Baker, Humphries, Nkemdiche, and Reddick, the roster looks significantly better. However, that is going to be up to the coaches because none of these guys have shown more than flashes.

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[Chopper0080]

Where I get frustrated is that we have 18 mil invested in Bucannon and Veldheer right now.

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[BigDavis75]

The roster is very weak in terms of average starter talent and I feel that’s a direct indictment of drafting.

 

[BW52]

Where I get frustrated is that we have 18 mil invested in Bucannon and Veldheer right now.

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Trading Bucannon would be a good move IMHO.I hope Cards keep Veldheer because he is still better than Andre Smith and Wetzel(solid backup)
and Vinston Painter

 

[WisconsinCard]

Trading Bucannon would be a good move IMHO.I hope Cards keep Veldheer because he is still better than Andre Smith and Wetzel(solid backup)
and Vinston Painter

How is that a good move, his contract just became guaranteed at the beginning of the league year. If you cut him or trade him you have an 8 million dollar dead cap hit, the same as if you just paid him to play.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

The good news is that we have some young talent at keys spots as well at some premium positions. If we can get league average production out Baker, Humphries, Nkemdiche, and Reddick, the roster looks significantly better. However, that is going to be up to the coaches because none of these guys have shown more than flashes.

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The three 1st round picks taken in succession and have shown little to nothing. Disheartening.

 

[Krangodnzr]

How is that a good move, his contract just became guaranteed at the beginning of the league year. If you cut him or trade him you have an 8 million dollar dead cap hit, the same as if you just paid him to play.

His contract is only guaranteed for injury. Technically, Bucanon could be cut at any time. Once the season starts, if he gets hurt he gets the full 8 million or if he gets hurt during the preseason. If he were cut right now, the Cardinals would free up 8 million in cap space. It honestly makes sense to cut him loose.

 

[wa52lz]

His contract is only guaranteed for injury. Technically, Bucanon could be cut at any time. Once the season starts, if he gets hurt he gets the full 8 million or if he gets hurt during the preseason. If he were cut right now, the Cardinals would free up 8 million in cap space. It honestly makes sense to cut him loose.

Actually it became fully gauranteed day one of the league year......
"The salaries are typically guaranteed for injury only and is effective until the first day of the 2018 league year, at which point the option money on the contract will become fully guaranteed."
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/02/fifth-year-option-tracker

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ptions-for-every-2014-first-round-draft-pick/

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[Proximo]

Where I get frustrated is that we have 18 mil invested in Bucannon and Veldheer right now.

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Veldheer is gone. They are trying to trade him, but will cut him if there are no takers. Keim would not have signed the other tackle if that was not the plan.

 

[Lagerfilled]

His contract is only guaranteed for injury. Technically, Bucanon could be cut at any time. Once the season starts, if he gets hurt he gets the full 8 million or if he gets hurt during the preseason. If he were cut right now, the Cardinals would free up 8 million in cap space. It honestly makes sense to cut him loose.

Regardless, if they want him on the roster (and it appears they do), then they need to renegotiate to lower the cap hit. There’s no way they can look at DBuc as an $8mm / yr ILB even if it’s only one year. If they didn’t want him, then he’d already be cut.

At least with Veldheer he provides nice value as a good LT and passable RT. Not sure what Deone brings besides passion for the game. He’s way too small disengaging from Oline in the run game and can’t cover RBs or TEs against the pass. An occasional big hit isn’t worth $8mm in 2018.

I don’t understand this one at all. Very frustrating!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Where I get frustrated is that we have 18 mil invested in Bucannon and Veldheer right now.

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