Ken Whisenhunt Doesn't Have the Answers

[Cbus cardsfan]

I heard it live after the game Monday and I commented to my wife that him being so PO'd was way out of chararcter. I'm sure he knew how big a game that was.

 

[kerouac9]

I heard it live after the game Monday and I commented to my wife that him being so PO'd was way out of chararcter. I'm sure he knew how big a game that was.

Yeah... I wish there were video to that I could see Calvisi's face. "Well, you tell me, Paul. What would you do?" And, "That's something that you're going to have to ask John. I have no idea."

 

[desertdawg]

Is he going to find someone better right now than who he has? Where? If you fire coaches mid-season, all you do is create uncertainty on the roster, because guys know that whomever comes in behind them are going to want to bring in some of their own players to help install the system.

Suddenly, you have guys playing outside the system because they're trying to put their own film out there because they're trying to get a job. That's a really bad idea.

College is almost done. Get some hot shot that just wants to get his foot in the NFL. Seriously, we gotta start with a whole new direction, and let that coach at least have the remainder of the season to eval and decide which one's don't go in the compost pile...because if they aint good enough to play in Az than they aint good enough to play. But then again, a new O-line coach and a bye week might be just what we need. I'd like to see these guys play under a non-Sprinsteen philosaphy before the year is out. Might save us some money or picks, if the O-line picks it up as the year goes...that aint happening with Grimm.

 

[Shane]

College is almost done. Get some hot shot that just wants to get his foot in the NFL. Seriously, we gotta start with a whole new direction, and let that coach at least have the remainder of the season to eval and decide which one's don't go in the compost pile...because if they aint good enough to play in Az than they aint good enough to play. But then again, a new O-line coach and a bye week might be just what we need. I'd like to see these guys play under a non-Sprinsteen philosaphy before the year is out. Might save us some money or picks, if the O-line picks it up as the year goes...that aint happening with Grimm.

New avatar sucks. Want some suggestions?

 

[Superfuzz]

The guys on the Oline lack the physical talent to go up against a NFL defense, they can have the biggest heart in the world and it is not going to change the outcome in a game. BTW, winning and losing does not define heart. And teams change in the off season, the Niners are a better team since then and be it injuries or poor drafting on the line and the QB situation, the Cardinals are lacking

Sorry, but the culture needs to change here. Trying hard but not being talented enough does not qualify as "heart". That kind of thought would get laughed out of a place like Pit or NE where if they don't win, they're at least in the game in the 4th quarter. No honor in "trying hard but getting embarassed anyways.

Being embarassed at home on national TV by a division rival who we beat 9 months ago is my definition of "no heart". It's the NFL, it doesn't matter how hard you try. Blowouts like this are what get people fired. It's not about wins and losses. I would've been much less upset had we lost 24-14 and gotten into the endzone.

You lose by 3 TDs in this scenario, you lack heart. I don't care who you are.

24-3 is gutless no matter how you got there.

 

[desertdawg]

New avatar sucks. Want some suggestions?

I am soooo done with your avatars amigo! The next bet will be a sure thing...book it.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I didn't hear it. He's pissed? Good.

Maybe he'll take my advice (better late than never) and coach a little piss and hate into the team before the Green Bay game.

Go ahead, Coach. Kick 'em all in the butt and send them onto the field knowing their jobs depend on winning.

 

[Shane]

I am soooo done with your avatars amigo! The next bet will be a sure thing...book it.

You're no fun!

 

[kerouac9]

College is almost done. Get some hot shot that just wants to get his foot in the NFL. Seriously, we gotta start with a whole new direction, and let that coach at least have the remainder of the season to eval and decide which one's don't go in the compost pile...because if they aint good enough to play in Az than they aint good enough to play. But then again, a new O-line coach and a bye week might be just what we need. I'd like to see these guys play under a non-Sprinsteen philosaphy before the year is out. Might save us some money or picks, if the O-line picks it up as the year goes...that aint happening with Grimm.

The college season doesn't end until early December, and if you're looking at a a good college program, you're looking at late December/early January.

Honestly, do you think that the difference between D'Anthony Batiste being good and bad is Russ Grimm vs. a college OL coach? C'mon.

 

[Mulli]

So, the flip side of this would be that Whisenhunt has the answers, but he is not implementing them?

 

[desertdawg]

The college season doesn't end until early December, and if you're looking at a a good college program, you're looking at late December/early January.

Honestly, do you think that the difference between D'Anthony Batiste being good and bad is Russ Grimm vs. a college OL coach? C'mon.

I think we gotta cut the Grimmster ASAP amigo, bottom of the League for the last three years and we could set some records this year. 1,800 QBs have been injured here, some of them expensive. I know it's not good to say as a Cards fan, but it can't get any worse. New blood bro.

 

[kerouac9]

I think we gotta cut the Grimmster ASAP amigo, bottom of the League for the last three years and we could set some records this year. 1,800 QBs have been injured here, some of them expensive. I know it's not good to say as a Cards fan, but it can't get any worse. New blood bro.

Like how Andy Reid's dismissal of his defensive coordinator sent a powerful signal to his team and the rest of the league that there's a defining vision for the Philadelphia Eagles and the entire team moved strongly to success in their next game?

No, everyone (correctly) viewed the firing as a panic move meant to distract from the poor performance of the offense and the tenuous position of the head coach.

 

[desertdawg]

Like how Andy Reid's dismissal of his defensive coordinator sent a powerful signal to his team and the rest of the league that there's a defining vision for the Philadelphia Eagles and the entire team moved strongly to success in their next game?

No, everyone (correctly) viewed the firing as a panic move meant to distract from the poor performance of the offense and the tenuous position of the head coach.

If the problem wasn't such an ongoing thing, I could see it being called a panic move. Like when our defense was super crusty at the start last year, we stayed the course and they picked it up. That is not the case with Grimm, been 3 years now. Whiz can't run his offense, has no time and usually has a back up QB in there do to injury. The runningbacks...man they get hit as soon they get the ball and our QBs trot away in the backfield just glad it wasn't them.

I understand O-line guys are hard to find, but to coach an O-line...there has to be somebody out there, not working at the moment. Someone that can bring a new approach to our porous. Help me man, who is out there wasting away?

 

[desertdawg]

Which NFL coaching staffs have been fired in the last 5 years, and who had the best line out of those teams? I know I'm reaching here, but I'm trying to save lives!!!

 

[joko4]

I would make the call to the recently fired DC of the Eagles who was a good OL COACH until Reid decided he would convert him to a DC. Bye Bye Grimm.
The Cards have been going nowhere for years at offense because Grimm is so so bad at his job, you cannot judge Qb, WR, RB, TE, as long as you don't have a damn good OL.

Hell, Warner quit a year early and gave up $16 million because Grimm was going to get him killed.

Does Grimm actually even do anything? Watching halftime shows, flipping footballs to Fitz, COME on MAN.

'Great player, terrible coach.
I see the players getting disgruntled that KW cannot start to fix a simple problem, FIRE GRIMM NOW!

 

[SunsTzu]

If you're one of those people who doesn't think that Whis cares about the product that the team is putting on the field, that six minutes or whatever of tape should change your mind.

Is it fair to say he takes this **** seriously?

 

[Bobcat]

Soo...he deeply cares, but has no answers....

That is why he and Grimm need to be replaced and Horton promoted Head Coach right now. Because if we don't we will lose Horton to someone else.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

LINK???

 

[red desert]

My issue basically is that as a season ticket holder in the Club section (which is expensive),the product on the field is not worth watching (or paying for). Its been a long time since I have seen an offense this bad.
I have zero confidence in the offense scoring any points. If it was a least exciting I wouldn't complain. The bottom line is Graves& Whiz sticking with all of the same. The paying fans are the losers for sure.

That's where I'm at on the issue.

 

[artp]

Is he going to find someone better right now than who he has? Where? If you fire coaches mid-season, all you do is create uncertainty on the roster, because guys know that whomever comes in behind them are going to want to bring in some of their own players to help install the system.

Suddenly, you have guys playing outside the system because they're trying to put their own film out there because they're trying to get a job. That's a really bad idea.

Maybe we need to create some uncertainty on Offense. They are not performing. They should all be scared for their job. I hope I am wrong, but it doesn't seem likely that the Offense will show much improvement the remainder of the season. FB Regan whatever spiked the ball. Cut his ass. We did.

 

[cardpa]

I am certainly hoping although it is more of a fantasy than reality that Grimm will be let go during the bye week.

At this point bringing in a new OL coach can do no harm as the performance to date has been abysmal at best. Hopefully a fresh outlook at the line may pay some dividends and at the least allow for the OL coach to begin making some long term plans or at the least requests to repair the line.

This OL has hit the iceberg and is taking on water fast. Can it be saved? Not as long as Grimm is the captain and he will certainly not go down with the ship. As a matter of fact he is at the head of the line to get into a life boat.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The "system" does work, we are just struggling to get it re-assembled after Kurt Warner broke it.

I really don't think the 'system' is at fault, it is the coordinator of the system and the talent evaluators who bring in athletes to play the system.

I need proof.

So far the system is 17-23 since Warner left, and most of those wins are because of defense and special teams.

You both make good points, and I admit I am being difficult, but my point is backed up with a record, and the common knowledge of the strength of this team being defense.

 

[cardpa]

Maybe the "System" does work however the people implementing the system are clueless on how to run it and staff it with personnel who can execute it.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I need proof.

So far the system is 17-23 since Warner left, and most of those wins are because of defense and special teams.

You both make good points, and I admit I am being difficult, but my point is backed up with a record, and the common knowledge of the strength of this team being defense.

You are not being difficlut at all. The system barely worked when Warner was here. It was just his uncanny quick release and ability to read defenses that got the ball out a split second before getting killed. Haley was the mastermind during our super bowl run. (Him and Kurt)


Here is the thing...I don't like Whiz...we know that but....He would be a good coach if he is loaded at Coordinator. He is a players coach and likable...He keeps everyone even kieled. But when it comes to HIS SYSTEM...No way....

I think the problem is...his ego. He doesn't want to get rid of Grimm because he believes he can turn it around and he is his friend(Or Grimm may have some incrimminating pictures of Whiz)...and 2nd...He wants everyone to believe we can win his way. The problem is...he is not an X's and O's coach. His schemes, adjustments, and play calling is abysmal. No changes....EVER. Its like bashing a square peg in a round hole.....Yea after 1000 hammer strikes it finally breaks thru...He will look up and say....see told you.

 

[Mulli]

Where was Haley in 2009? How was the Card offense without the genius Haley?