Kendall did not want to play guard for the Cards.

[Russ Smith]

It's just as old as the numerous times Pete's name is mentioned as the reason why this Oline sucks. People continually post that DG was wrong for cutting Pete.. and that it was all do to his "ego" and yet it is mentioned that Pete refused a position change, but posters still write it off as "old news". Pathetic

It's old because people are acting like this is a new thing that completely explains why Kendall was cut, it's not new, we already knew this, apparently some people just forgot.

 

[clif]

Then don't blame the posters and call them pathetic.

Please ... I do blame posters. I've seen plenty of people crying at the alter for ole Pete pretending he was without fault. Acting like he was just an innocent bystander.

 

[Pariah]

Please ... I do blame posters.

Pathetic.

 

[john h]

You would certainly expect a player to do what his coach askes him to do.



...or you might expect that player to get his butt cut.

A player also has the right to let the coach know he would prefer to play another position. In the final analysis Kendall was under contract and Green made the call to let him go. There is no way this team could not have used Kendall's services this year. We are worse off without him. Many think we have one of the worst OL in the NFL. I do not know Kendall and my concern is about how we play and not about Kendall's wishes. I wish he was still on the OL. Some make this a personal thing about Kendall. I make it a team thing in is our OL better with or without him? One would have to really stretch it to think we are a better team without him. You cannot complain about our OL and support Green on getting rid of Kendall with a straight face.

 

[john h]

A player also has the right to let the coach know he would prefer to play another position. In the final analysis Kendall was under contract and Green made the call to let him go. There is no way this team could not have used Kendall's services this year. We are worse off without him. Many think we have one of the worst OL in the NFL. I do not know Kendall and my concern is about how we play and not about Kendall's wishes. I wish he was still on the OL. Some make this a personal thing about Kendall. I make it a team thing in is our OL better with or without him? One would have to really stretch it to think we are a better team without him. You cannot complain about our OL and support Green on getting rid of Kendall with a straight face.

Russ: this league is full of guys who are good players who do not do what the coach ask. Arrington more recently. T.O., Randy Moss and the list grows.I do not support this but that is just the way it is.

 

[clif]

Pathetic.

About as pathetic as your poor ass attempt to downplay something that specifically discredits what many have said about that bum.

 

[jefftheshark]

Kendall was a FA after last year and, more than likely, would not have been here this year anyway.

The Shark

 

[earthsci]

A player also has the right to let the coach know he would prefer to play another position. In the final analysis Kendall was under contract and Green made the call to let him go. There is no way this team could not have used Kendall's services this year. We are worse off without him.

I disagree. Kendall said he wouldn't have played guard. Kendall was OK, but not great at center. We drafted two centers, which I and many others had been calling for. We now have a younger center who I think is as good as Kendall and has a hell of a lot more upside. Now, if Pete wasn't going to play guard, how are we better off? We are talking about Pete Kendall who was injured every season that he was on the Cardinals.

 

[Card Trader]

The Kendall humpers still feel the need to discredit the move. The guy didn't want to play a position his coach wanted him to...buh bye.

 

[Russ Smith]

I disagree. Kendall said he wouldn't have played guard. Kendall was OK, but not great at center. We drafted two centers, which I and many others had been calling for. We now have a younger center who I think is as good as Kendall and has a hell of a lot more upside. Now, if Pete wasn't going to play guard, how are we better off? We are talking about Pete Kendall who was injured every season that he was on the Cardinals.

He didn't say he wouldn't have played guard, he was asked and said no is all that said. We don't know the context, did Green go to Kendall and say here's the deal, if you won't play guard I cut you, if you do you're a starter? We don't know that.

This was during a time when Green was rearranging the OL the way a bored person rearranges a living room, "what if the couch was over there and the love seat was here?" He moved Big to LG and before he'd even come close to playing a game there, Green moved him to LT and moved Shelton. IIRC he had Shelton practicing at RG before he moved him to backup RT. he moved Wells, and apparently he wanted to move Kendall. I don't care who you are as a coach when you want to move that many people around on an OL you have to do some selling to the players. I have a plan, here's my plan, I need your help. When it appears you're almost pulling names and positions out of a hat, it's hard to convince your players, especially an established vet like Kendall who's quite outspoken. Especially a guy who just a few days earlier was a core starter and one of your 10 guys to build around, you have to do a job convincing him it's best for the team.

If he still refuses, then maybe you trade him. Given how quickly Kendall got cut and how surprised everyone was, including the players and other coaches, does anybody really believe this was an ongoing negotiation that reached a stalemate?

 

[Russ Smith]

The Kendall humpers still feel the need to discredit the move. The guy didn't want to play a position his coach wanted him to...buh bye.

Kendall humpers? Where the hell did that come from?

We're having a for the most part friendly disagreement and you pull out a comment like that?

 

[Card Trader]

Kendall humpers? Where the hell did that come from?

We're having a for the most part friendly disagreement and you pull out a comment like that?

This whole argument has just frustrated me from the begining, first off, Kendall wasn't that good, he was adequate, second, he was rarely healthy, third he didn't want to do what was best for the team. It was a no-brainer, yet people will go to the ends of the earth to stick up for this guy and discredit this move by Green.

Kendall wasn't going to play center, you aren't going to play a guy at a position he doesn't want to play and made it vocal, that is a cancerous situation.

Kendall humpers was innapropriate, but I'm tired of people treating the guy like he was a solid rock on the line.

 

[john h]

It's old because people are acting like this is a new thing that completely explains why Kendall was cut, it's not new, we already knew this, apparently some people just forgot.

I really do not care why he was cut only that he was cut and we did not have an adequate replacement. If we had a guy as good to replace him then go for it DG but not when you have no replacement for an already young and bad line. I am not in love with nor do I dislike Kendall. I just want the best guys on the OL that were available. Kendall was surely one of those as we cannot seem to gain 2 yds a carry today. Replace him with a rookie and not decent backup? That does not make good football sense to me. If you do not learn from your mistakes you are doomed to repeat them.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Guys this is a bit riduculous..."kendall lovers", "kendall humpers" and every other compound word with Kendall in the front of it should just be completly eradicated from all Cardinal fans minds and posts. This "discussion" has gone on for way too long. I don't even think the Jake Plummer fallout was this long and ardous (although i rue the day McCown actually starts for another team as it will be this fiasco all over again...)

Bottom line...Kendall was/is a mediocre to good lineman who in most all cases we would still be 1-4 with. He didn't exactly galvanize the team while he was here either. And he had more talented players around him....

Really what it comes down too is "Kendall lover" = "Denny Hater", which is ok i suppose if you don't like DG. But seriously you think guys like Parcells and Belichek would not have done the same thing. Thats not exactly the move of a team guy, wether he was asked nicely or not.

and once again we didn't lose Anthony Munoz. Correct me if im wrong but I think both Jets QB's went down after sacks on the line Kendall currently plays on. That doesn't really say difference maker too me.

Please, Please just leave Kendall and his brief tenure with the cardinals as the old news it is and lets move on with the new and talented guys we currently have (im actually pretty optimistic about the development of Wakefield). Kendall is not the reason we are currently 1-4. We might as well be talking about missed opportunities with Leeland McElroy and Tom Knight.

 

[Russ Smith]

This whole argument has just frustrated me from the begining, first off, Kendall wasn't that good, he was adequate, second, he was rarely healthy, third he didn't want to do what was best for the team. It was a no-brainer, yet people will go to the ends of the earth to stick up for this guy and discredit this move by Green.

Kendall wasn't going to play center, you aren't going to play a guy at a position he doesn't want to play and made it vocal, that is a cancerous situation.

Kendall humpers was innapropriate, but I'm tired of people treating the guy like he was a solid rock on the line.

I assume you mean guard not center, since he wanted to play C. Again all we have is that he said no, we have no idea to what lengths that was. Anquan came out last year and said he felt King would eventually be the QB, Green didn't cut him. Shelton was in Green's doghouse the whole time but Green waited over a year to cut him. There were plenty of players who didn't agree blindly with Dennis Green, only a few of them were cut.

Now maybe green said look Pete you're one of my core guys, I need you to move for the good of the team, Pete said no, and got cut. To me I would completely endorse that decision by Green. But we don't know that and given how it all happened it just doesn't seem like this was an ongoing deal, Green was moving players around almost on a whim, and apparently at some point decided Kendall should move.

My objection to both Clif and you is you're saying we're trying to discredit this information, no we're not, we're just saying this is not new, we already knew this.

If I posted a story this morning about Thomas Jones breaking his hand answering a phone and said hey now we finally know the real reason Jones was traded don't you think a bunch of people would say hello McFly we already knew that?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I really do not care why he was cut only that he was cut and we did not have an adequate replacement. If we had a guy as good to replace him then go for DG but not when you have no replacement for an already young and bad line. I am not in love with nor do I dislike Kendall. I just want the best guys on the OL that were available. Kendall was surely one of those as we cannot seem to gain 2 yds a carry. Replace him with a rookie and not decent backup? That does not make good football sense to me.

We are 1-4....The Jets are 2-4 but absolutly horrible and just placing themselves further out of a good draft pick.....he wouldn't have made a difference....When did this guy turn into Walter Jones..????

 

[Russ Smith]

and once again we didn't lose Anthony Munoz. Correct me if im wrong but I think both Jets QB's went down after sacks on the line Kendall currently plays on. That doesn't really say difference maker too me.

Good point, I'd forgotten the Bengals never allowed a sack during Munoz' career.

 

[earthsci]

Russ,
Pete told Denny "No" when asked to play guard. Pete was a clubhouse lawyer. Those things are known. Everything else is conjucture. Would Pete have played guard? Would he have resisted Green in his methods to try and change the losing atmosphere?

 

[earthsci]

Maybe it was a mistake to let Pete go. I don't think so. Now we return to the present.

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe it was a mistake to let Pete go. I don't think so. Now we return to the present.

Agreed, but us Kendall humpers didn't start this thread so we shouldn't now be attacked for chiming in.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Good point, I'd forgotten the Bengals never allowed a sack during Munoz' career.

This is obviously tongue and cheek and although your point is taken, that was just a bit of my argument....but taken out of context nonetheless...

I'm just saying he has yet to show me while he was here and since he left here any reason to be so up in arms about this...don't all you cards fans who dwell on this guy just feel really really bitter about everything????

I can list a bunch of guys i would have rather kept then this guy.....

-Darwin Walker
-Micheal Pittman
-Thomas Jones
-Simeon Rice (which his calling out AZ is about as team oriented as refusing to swith positions for the betterment of the team)
-Jamir Miller
-Larry Centers
-LJ Shelton
-Ron McKinnon
-Raynoch Thompson

but they are all gone even though i still feel those guys provided value either already seen, or possibly still due to their young age....

Fact the matter is i think our oline took a step back for a season or two...but the move will make us better in the long run. Step's development is more important than Petey boy getting his preference on position played. And you would be hard pressed to convince me that a 30+ year old Kendall would be a big difference this year or last.

Plus the cut sent a message (although im not sure the results have turned out quite the way he had expected)

No disrespect Russ but why keep putting yourself through this exercise of futility. I don't agree that Kendall being cut was terrible move by Denny, but even if i did, i sure as hell wouldn't be lamenting it almost two years after the fact.....

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Maybe it was a mistake to let Pete go. I don't think so. Now we return to the present.

My point in a much more concise matter....

Right with ya earthsci...

 

[Stout]

That's new? We talked about that a couple of years ago, vividly remember Lex saying that's one of the biggest reasons Kendall was cut, Green wanted to move him back to guard and Kendall wanted to stay at C because he thought it would prolong his career?

Certainly you would hope a player is willing to make a move for the good of the team.

Well, if this isn't news anymore (I don't recall hearing it), then we shouldn't have a damn person getting on Green's back for the move. He refused to switch, he wasn't that good at C, he whined in the clubhouse, and he went to another team and promptly moved to G. I see no reason why Green wasn't fully justified in cutting his butt. I see no reason for people to get on his case about it. Knowing this, it just sounds like 'let's bash Green time'.

Sorry Russ, the vitriol wasn't directed at you. Just using your bit about already knowing this.

 

[conraddobler]

Bottom line.

None of us were there and know how he was asked and how he said no.

It really dosen't matter.

DG has a right to cut players and do what he wants.

He also has a right to live with the results of those decisions and that's what he's doing now.

Had he pulled it off and made the team/oline better then he's a hero, the team/oline is not better therefore, ipso facto, Goat.

 

[earthsci]

Agreed, but us Kendall humpers didn't start this thread so we shouldn't now be attacked for chiming in.

I agree.