Kendall did not want to play guard for the Cards.

[clif]

My objection to both Clif and you is you're saying we're trying to discredit this information, no we're not, we're just saying this is not new, we already knew this.

My point has always been to take a wait and see approach. Last year when this happened, I said that I don't have a problem with the move as I'm confident that there was more to this story than we probably will ever know. Many people blasted the move.. ripped DG saying this was purely an "egotistical" move. People like me were labeled DG lovers.

Last year I stated that I think Josh McCown has the tools to be a good NFL Qb and that he needs time to develop. I along with a few others were continually ripped and called out as Josh "lovers". That continued to this year. I went along with the signing of Warner... I even thought the open competition would be good for whoever ended up as the Qb. Posters laughed at that notion claiming that Warner was 10 times the Qb that Josh ever would be. People continually blamed Josh for all of the offenses short comings last year, but yet gave Kurt all the excuses in the world for his mediocre play.

Then to compound that.. once Warner got hurt, most still blasted McCown stating he would stink up the place. Some curtailed that with this disclaimer.. if he plays well against a "real" defense against Carolina, then he should remain the starter... so ..guess what... HE DID THAT.(in fact he set a franchise record) . and there are those who are STILL calling for Kurt Warner's old ass to return to the position.

The point being that some people here.. no matter what..love to promote their negative agendas, and when others disagree they are continually ripped, or labeled as "huggers" or "lovers". Here we have an article that goes against what was the popular opinion, but alas it is "old news".

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Well, if this isn't news anymore (I don't recall hearing it), then we shouldn't have a damn person getting on Green's back for the move. He refused to switch, he wasn't that good at C, he whined in the clubhouse, and he went to another team and promptly moved to G. I see no reason why Green wasn't fully justified in cutting his butt. I see no reason for people to get on his case about it. Knowing this, it just sounds like 'let's bash Green time'.

Sorry Russ, the vitriol wasn't directed at you. Just using your bit about already knowing this.

I hope I don't sound stupid, but the fact that Kendell did not want to play guard for us is news to me. And, I've read quite a few Kendell threads.

Anyway, so, in summary, we asked him to play guard, he said no. But, he decided he would play guard for another team?

hmmm. Doesn't really sound like someone who, while be being paid millions of dollars by the way, gave a crap about the team.

 

[Assface]

This is obviously tongue and cheek and although your point is taken, that was just a bit of my argument....but taken out of context nonetheless...

You used "the Jets have had 2 QBs go down from sacks" as a way to discredit Kendall. Was it his man that took out the QBs or someone else's assigned block? Throwing out random tidbits like that doesn't help your argument at all. Besides, we lost our starting QB too.

I'm just saying he has yet to show me while he was here and since he left here any reason to be so up in arms about this...don't all you cards fans who dwell on this guy just feel really really bitter about everything????

That's just an antagonistic comment with no purpose other than to be an *****. The first 4 or 5 posts on this thread were insulting Kendall, who's more bitter? I don't see anyone saying he was great. Those who are happy he's gone exaggerate how those who would have liked to kept rate him. Personally, I think a Kendall/Stepanovich combo would be better than Wells/Step. I'm not saying PK is an al-world lineman but you'll probably ignore that part.

No disrespect Russ but why keep putting yourself through this exercise of futility. I don't agree that Kendall being cut was terrible move by Denny, but even if i did, i sure as hell wouldn't be lamenting it almost two years after the fact.....

It's not ok to still say that we'd be better with him but it's ok to 2 years later bring up articles saying why it's good that he was cut and to diss him?

 

[Russ Smith]

The point being that some people here.. no matter what..love to promote their negative agendas, and when others disagree they are continually ripped, or labeled as "huggers" or "lovers". Here we have an article that goes against what was the popular opinion, but alas it is "old news".

understood but unfortunately it is old news, although apparently not as widespread as I assumed since it seems it's new to several folks here.

My opinion is yes Kendall should have moved, but I seriously doubt that Green gave him an ultimatum, he said no, and Green cut him. That's just not consistent with the way it all happened, remember even the guys on the OL and Wylie, the OL coach(who we now know wasn't fond of Kendall felt he did just enough to get by and nothing more) were all surprised to find out Kendall was cut. Just seems to me if he was cut over that refusal, by now someone would have said it, Kendall, Wylie, any of the Ol's who left.

Arizona's finest, the only guy on your list who Green let go that I thought a mistake was Shelton and yes I questioned that for the same reason, i think Green should have been able to bury the hatchet. We're told SHelton demanded the trade, but Shelton's agent sort of suggested that wasn't true, they were perfectly willing to stay if the Cards wanted him.

The Dexter Jackson thing bugged me too, 3 examples of solid players, not great, not world beaters, but solid players, we let go with inadequate replacements, all because apparently they couldn't get along with Green.

I just think for a guy known as a players coach per Vikesfan, it's surprising how many players have to leave because they can't get along with him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This is really old news.

IIRC, I think Mac convinced him (or he convinced Mac) that he was falling apart physically playing guard, and in order to prolong his career he was to play center.

Dude was looking out for his well-being. If that's why he got cut, so be it. Can't blame him for that.

But, IMO, the cut still doesn't make football sense because he was (is?) a better center than Step. Or, as Russ pointed out, rather than just cut him why not try to convince him that guard is where he belongs in a manner that he can relate to?

The decision about where Kendall fit in was made at the draft when the Cards selected not one, but two centres. One may question the decision, but once made, it was clear that Mr. K. either returned to guard or was going to hit the road. I don't know how you sugarcoat this to make it more palatable.

 

[Russ Smith]

The decision about where Kendall fit in was made at the draft when the Cqrds selected not one, but two centres. One may question the decision, but once made, it was clear that Mr. K. either returned to guard or was going to hit the road. I don't know how you sugarcoat this to make it more palatable.

Eventually yes, remember Kendall's contact the Cards took a guy to replace Pete when his contract was up.

or another way, if Kendall had stayed and not played Guard do you really believe Step was going to beat him out at C last year? remember the first 4-5 games JOsh was making linecalls because Step couldn't, the first half the seasone we couldn't shotgun because Step couldn't make the snaps. it's pretty hard to believe Green or wylie really felt Step was ready then.

replacing him this year would have been fine, but throwing Step to the wolves last year HURT this team.

 

[conraddobler]

I see both sides of this.

It's an example of how DG does business when he takes over a team I guess.

I don't think we have to call DG out too bad if he asked and was told no then what he did was warranted.

I also think they could have thought through the implications of asking the question and getting the answer they got and said well if we come to blows over this who can we get to plug that whole or can we trade him or whatever.

It was a bad scene on both fronts and it's over now.

We need a GM who really runs the show not some hodge podge cluster of power centers.

 

[Russ Smith]

Or to put another thought in, Mike Nolan just did essentially the exact same thing in SF by trading Winborn and Rattay(although he actually got picks for players the whole NFL knew were available for trade which I had been told before was impossible). Nolan is being BLASTED in the bay area media right now for the Winborn thing. Nobody is too mad yet about Rattay they all knew when Smith was picked Rattay was a goner, but if Smith continues to struggle and gets beaten up, you can bet people are going to blast him for that too.

So no Green is not the only one who does this as a new coach, and no he's not the only one who gets ripped for doing it. Winborn got traded and the 49ers have no depth at all at LB, which is kind of important when you play a 3-4, he's quite justifiably getting taken to task for that decision. Green inherited a team with a bad OL that couldn't run, blew it all up, and 21 games later we have a team with a bad OL that can't run, seems fair to me that people are asking questions?

 

[Duckjake]

It's not ok to still say that we'd be better with him but it's ok to 2 years later bring up articles saying why it's good that he was cut and to diss him?

This all Somers fault for bringing it up in his article on the offensive line.

Instead of talking about being better or not with Kendall what we should be concerned with is why the Cards could run the ball last year and now they can't.

The Cards running backs gained more yards (1,509) last year than any season since 1993 and scored more TD's (13) rushing last year than any season since 1998. And now they can't gain six feet.

 

[Russ Smith]

This all Somers fault for bringing it up in his article on the offensive line.

Instead of talking about being better or not with Kendall what we should be concerned with is why the Cards could run the ball last year and now they can't.

The Cards running backs gained more yards (1,509) last year than any season since 1993 and scored more TD's (13) rushing last year than any season since 1998. And now they can't gain six feet.

Because Emmitt had great vision. Because Step was healthy last year and isn't this year. Because Bridges and even Spikes were more consistent than Brown at RG, Brown makes some blocks neither of those guys can make, but he whiffs more too IMHO. Because AC and SHelton were far better than Ross and so far Wakefield at runblocking(fred is ok pass blocking but struggling run blocking).

I think we're weaker run blocking at 3 of the 5 OL positions this year, add in a young RB and a guy coming off injury, and an OL coach who so far can't get them on the same page run blocking, and we stink.

I think Brown will be good but he wasn't ready to play he played out of necessity, misses way too many blocks. Step is playing before he's healthy out of necessity, Wakefield out of necessity(and has improved the pass blocking). Just hard to run the ball when 3/5 of your OL probably isn't ready to be starting either due to health or experience.

 

[CardinalChris]

That's new? We talked about that a couple of years ago, vividly remember Lex saying that's one of the biggest reasons Kendall was cut, Green wanted to move him back to guard and Kendall wanted to stay at C because he thought it would prolong his career?

Certainly you would hope a player is willing to make a move for the good of the team.

It was all conjecture until now wasn't it? We had some ideas why he was cut, but nobody knew for sure. The going story was he tattled on Green's practice habits to the NFL.

 

[Skkorpion]

I hope I don't sound stupid, but the fact that Kendell did not want to play guard for us is news to me. And, I've read quite a few Kendell threads.

Anyway, so, in summary, we asked him to play guard, he said no. But, he decided he would play guard for another team?

hmmm. Doesn't really sound like someone who, while be being paid millions of dollars by the way, gave a crap about the team.

I agree. It was news to me. Team player? Definitely not.

 

[earthsci]

I really hope that we beat the Titans.

 

[CardinalChris]

understood but unfortunately it is old news, although apparently not as widespread as I assumed since it seems it's new to several folks here.
Honestly, I have never heard this, and if I heard it mentioned, it was a guess.

Arizona's finest, the only guy on your list who Green let go that I thought a mistake was Shelton and yes I questioned that for the same reason, i think Green should have been able to bury the hatchet. We're told SHelton demanded the trade, but Shelton's agent sort of suggested that wasn't true, they were perfectly willing to stay if the Cards wanted him.

Stay, or stay and play tackle. Again, it is tough to know what really went on.

The Dexter Jackson thing bugged me too, 3 examples of solid players, not great, not world beaters, but solid players, we let go with inadequate replacements, all because apparently they couldn't get along with Green.

Wasn't there also a descrepancy about how bad Dexter's injury was, etc etc?

I just think for a guy known as a players coach per Vikesfan, it's surprising how many players have to leave because they can't get along with him.

You misundertood... he's a players coach t HIS players

 

[Russ Smith]

It was all conjecture until now wasn't it? We had some ideas why he was cut, but nobody knew for sure. The going story was he tattled on Green's practice habits to the NFL.

That's 2 separate things, we knew Pete wanted to stay at C, Lex has brought that up several times over the years, pretty sure he backed it up with quotes or articles or something(where is Lex these days?).

We don't know if Pete not making the switch is why he got cut, and we still don't the article doesn't say that it just says he was asked to switch and said no.

 

[Bobcat]

This all Somers fault for bringing it up in his article on the offensive line.

Instead of talking about being better or not with Kendall what we should be concerned with is why the Cards could run the ball last year and now they can't.

The Cards running backs gained more yards (1,509) last year than any season since 1993 and scored more TD's (13) rushing last year than any season since 1998. And now they can't gain six feet.

One word "EMMITT"

Bobcat

 

[Russ Smith]

It was all conjecture until now wasn't it? We had some ideas why he was cut, but nobody knew for sure. The going story was he tattled on Green's practice habits to the NFL.

I don't know maybe I'm misremembering what Lex said but I'm pretty sure Lex posted this a long time ago and backed it up because I recall at the time questioning how he knew it and I'm pretty sure he backed it up with evidence.

If that's wrong I apologize, but to me it's pretty old news.

 

[Lex]

Pete Kendall sucks.

Russ is right.

There was an article in a back east paper after the fact, that quoted Pete talking about how he'd contacted his buddies on the Jets, and told them basically that he knew he'd soon be available, and that he'd love to play there. The impression left with me was, that he even wanted to make it easier for the Jets, by getting cut, instead of requiring them to give something up in a trade.

He was brought here as a prized expensive free agent, to be the leader of our young offensive line. But once we were out of the playoff picture every year, he was out for the season with some injury, and as soon as the going got tough with Denny, he ran out of here like the loser he is.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The way the media around here still bring up his name TO THIS DAY... is pathetic.

 

[Russ Smith]

Thank you Lex, I knew I'd seen it somewhere in your posts before.

 

[Pariah]

About as pathetic as your poor ass attempt to downplay something that specifically discredits what many have said about that bum.

I'm not downplaying anything. This is something that has been talked about ad nasuem, and it doesn't change the fact that Kendall is a good football player.

 

[Card Trader]

I'm not downplaying anything. This is something that has been talked about ad nasuem, and it doesn't change the fact that Kendall is a good football player.

If good = mediocre than you are 100% correct.

 

[Pariah]

The point being that some people here.. no matter what..love to promote their negative agendas, and when others disagree they are continually ripped, or labeled as "huggers" or "lovers". Here we have an article that goes against what was the popular opinion, but alas it is "old news".

To your point, the only people being called "lovers" here are the people who point out that Kendall is a good football player (and CT, if "medicore" is PK, then yes, that's what I mean--he's head and shoulders better than any interior lineman we have on the squad right now), and the only negative agendas I see are ripping people for disagreeing with Green on this personell decision.

That's the heart of the matter, really. Some people don't like the move, others just accept Green's decison without question. To each their own. I've formed my own football opinions outside of just what the Cardinals actually do (in fact, if we were smart, we might pull a george costanza and just think the opposite of what the cards do is the right thing). I didn't--and don't--like the cutting of Pete Kendall. You do. Whatever.

 

[joeshmo]

:Some people don't like the move, others just accept Green's decison without question.

There is also a 3rd option of poeple. Those who have questioned it and still accept it. See Lex post.

And yes some of us have formed our own football opinions outside of just what the Cardinals actually do.

I know you are more so talking to a few other posters just wanted to let you know isnt as black and white as you put it.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

It's old because people are acting like this is a new thing that completely explains why Kendall was cut, it's not new, we already knew this, apparently some people just forgot.

I dont agree with that Russ. Most accounts say Kendell was let go b/c he was a clubhouse lawyer who went to Player about the mini camp issues.

Seems to me Kendell wanted out of AZ and the combination of this and refusing to move for the good of the team, caused his termination.

It is amazing how people will stretch the truth to fit their agenda. Kendell did not like DG, didnt want to play in AZ, and forced his termination. Nothing DG or the AZ brass would have done could have stopped that.

I liked Pete as a player, but he, not DG, forced himself out the door!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

That's the heart of the matter, really. Some people don't like the move, others just accept Green's decison without question. To each their own. I've formed my own football opinions outside of just what the Cardinals actually do (in fact, if we were smart, we might pull a george costanza and just think the opposite of what the cards do is the right thing). I didn't--and don't--like the cutting of Pete Kendall. You do. Whatever.

So you would have just appeased Pete when asked, for the good of the team, please move back to guard and he says "NO"! Umm ok, real team player! Like I said before he didnt want to be here and he forced himself out the door. You can blame DG or the Cards but this all lies in PK's lap!