Kendall did not want to play guard for the Cards.

[Russ Smith]

I dont agree with that Russ. Most accounts say Kendell was let go b/c he was a clubhouse lawyer who went to Player about the mini camp issues.

Seems to me Kendell wanted out of AZ and the combination of this and refusing to move for the good of the team, caused his termination.

It is amazing how people will stretch the truth to fit their agenda. Kendell did not like DG, didnt want to play in AZ, and forced his termination. Nothing DG or the AZ brass would have done could have stopped that.

I liked Pete as a player, but he, not DG, forced himself out the door!

I think you're reading your interpretation of what happened into Somers story. Somers did NOT say Kendall was cut because he refused to play guard. Read the original story again he said we asked him to move to C in 2003, he reluctantly agreed. Then in 2004 he was asked to move back and said no. Then later he was cut and went to the Jets where he assumed he'd never play C becaus of Mawae. Nowhere in that article does SOmers say PK was cut because he refused to play guard.

Lex may well be right, maybe Pete did want out a year early, I have no idea.

And I'm not sure what you say you're disagreeing with, I haven't said Pete wasn't cut over being a clubhouse lawyer, I just said the news that he was asked to play guard and said no, is not new, we already knew that courtesy of Lex.

 

[Pariah]

So you would have just appeased Pete when asked, for the good of the team, please move back to guard and he says "NO"! Umm ok, real team player!

I would have tried to convince him to play G, but if he wouldn't you can bet he would have been my C on opening day and would remain so until I could move him or Step was playing better than him...maybe until the next off-season.

Not the most ideal situation, but I'd rather have a "solid" (is that better for some of you) center who might not have been happy than a rookie who wasn't ready to start.

You guys act like not wanting to switch positions so he can prolong his career is a really terrible thing. Ironically, some of you that take this position also take the players' sides in contract disputes claiming that it's unfair that the NFL holds all the power over players.

Hey, he didn't want to switch positions and was cut as a result. Fine. But, because we weren't really adequetely prepared to replace him at center, I don't think it was a good move.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

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Hey, he didn't want to switch positions and was cut as a result. Fine. But, because we weren't really adequetely prepared to replace him at center, I don't think it was a good move.

Now that line I will agree with. Some of the oline decsions made on this team are baffeling to me and I agree Step was pretty bad the first half of last season.

All I am saying is people use this to push the "DG haters" agends when in fact I truly believe Pete wanted out. Nothing DG, or any other person in the Cards org. could have changed that.... He was/is a Mac guy-brought in by Mac, propped up at press conferences by Mac to help Mac with his funny one-liners, etc and when Mac was fired, PK was as good as gone then imo.!

 

[Pariah]

All I am saying is people use this to push the "DG haters" agends

See, this is where I can confidently say I'm being pretty objective. I like DG (for now, I don't think he's a 10-year coach, though), but I don't like this move (or the Shelton move...but that's for a different day).

 

[joeshmo]

Now that line I will agree with. Some of the oline decsions made on this team are baffeling to me and I agree Step was pretty bad the first half of last season.

All I am saying is people use this to push the "DG haters" agends when in fact I truly believe Pete wanted out. Nothing DG, or any other person in the Cards org. could have changed that.... He was/is a Mac guy-brought in by Mac, propped up at press conferences by Mac to help Mac with his funny one-liners, etc and when Mac was fired, PK was as good as gone then imo.!

The post of this thread along with Lex post, and states exactly what I may not have been able to get across otherwise.

 

[Wild Card]

This is amazing. Six pages and counting on the back story of a guy who hasn't played a down for the Cardinals since 2003.

It's a measure of how unsuccessful Dennis Green has been in building a competent offensive line in the last season-and-a half, though. I guarantee you that Seattle Seahawks fans aren't still obsessing about how and why their team let Pete Kendall get away.

WC

 

[clif]

nevermind. I think the point was made

 

[earthsci]

I really, really hope that we beat the Titans.

 

[Renz]

I guarantee you that Seattle Seahawks fans aren't still obsessing about how and why their team let Pete Kendall get away.

I guarantee that the local media in Seattle isn't constantly throwing it in the face of the team either.

 

[Pariah]

I guarantee you that Seattle Seahawks fans aren't still obsessing about how and why their team let Pete Kendall get away.

WC

You're right, because they've been able to replace him reasonably well with a couple of the best guards in the game.

 

[earthsci]

...really, really, really...

 

[CardinalChris]

Pete Kendall sucks.

Russ is right.

There was an article in a back east paper after the fact, that quoted Pete talking about how he'd contacted his buddies on the Jets, and told them basically that he knew he'd soon be available, and that he'd love to play there. The impression left with me was, that he even wanted to make it easier for the Jets, by getting cut, instead of requiring them to give something up in a trade.

He was brought here as a prized expensive free agent, to be the leader of our young offensive line. But once we were out of the playoff picture every year, he was out for the season with some injury, and as soon as the going got tough with Denny, he ran out of here like the loser he is.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The way the media around here still bring up his name TO THIS DAY... is pathetic.

That's messed up!! How did I miss that article???

 

[the wild cards]

Green has made some mistakes. But getting rid of Kendall and Shelton were not mistakes since he didn't get rid of them. You can't blame him for that because both players got rid of themselves. Shelton and Kendall were average at best. The OL sucked with them here. They weren't going to get better.

The Kendall Case.

Your boss: I want you to do this.

You: No!

Come on now you know what is going to happen next.

Your Boss: You're fired.

The reason Kendall did what Edwards wanted was because he was running out of options. Teams were not beating down the door to sign him. If he wanted to keep playing he had to obey his next coach.


The Shelton Case.

He asked to be traded.

Both fired coaches who Green fired - who could have gotten back at Green by saying Shelton was good said he was not good. They said he did barely enough to stay on the team. He did as little as possible. He showed up for his Buffalo workout Out Of Shape!

You: Boss I demand you let me do this at work.

Your Boss: Uh bye bye.


We might not have a better OL but Green at least tried. He drafted the best G in the draft, he drafted the 2 of the top 3 Cs in the draft, he moved Davis to his natural position, and he signed the RT from the best running team in the NFL last year. He might be failing but there was a chance for success given those moves - if he somehow kept those 2 there was no chance of succes - with them what you saw is what you got.

When players are running the show telling coaches what they want it's over - your team will never have a chance to win.

 

[Wild Card]

I guarantee that the local media in Seattle isn't constantly throwing it in the face of the team either.

You're right, because they've been able to replace (Kendall) reasonably well with a couple of the best guards in the game.

Renz/Pariah:

Exactly. Let a solid veteran go in free agency only if you've got a plan--and/or one or more prospects already in place--to replace him. The team continues to perform as well or better, the fans and media don't beat you up for making a bad decision, and your ex-player's old news. Whatta concept.

WC

 

[seesred]

I've read it all. In fact I think I've read it all since 2003 ride to Flagstaff. Pete Oh Pete where have you gone? You ruined our chance for a championship team all by yourself. Hell we would have been contenders ! LJ I miss you so much because you were the very best movie critic . I only went to movies you said were great and now I haven't been to a movie since you left.

Green tried to change the O-line because it was not cap friendly, playing underperforming talentless players. Did you see Clemente play, has anyone heard about LJ's problems? I give it to Kendall he got even more money for leaving and he plays. The line needed breaking up. Next season you going to see more changes until it's right. Pete Ken-doll a distant memory..Did he play for us?

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[Skkorpion]

Green has made some mistakes. But getting rid of Kendall and Shelton were not mistakes since he didn't get rid of them. You can't blame him for that because both players got rid of themselves. Shelton and Kendall were average at best. The OL sucked with them here. They weren't going to get better.

The Kendall Case.

Your boss: I want you to do this.

You: No!

Come on now you know what is going to happen next.

Your Boss: You're fired.

The reason Kendall did what Edwards wanted was because he was running out of options. Teams were not beating down the door to sign him. If he wanted to keep playing he had to obey his next coach.


The Shelton Case.

He asked to be traded.

Both fired coaches who Green fired - who could have gotten back at Green by saying Shelton was good said he was not good. They said he did barely enough to stay on the team. He did as little as possible. He showed up for his Buffalo workout Out Of Shape!

You: Boss I demand you let me do this at work.

Your Boss: Uh bye bye.


We might not have a better OL but Green at least tried. He drafted the best G in the draft, he drafted the 2 of the top 3 Cs in the draft, he moved Davis to his natural position, and he signed the RT from the best running team in the NFL last year. He might be failing but there was a chance for success given those moves - if he somehow kept those 2 there was no chance of succes - with them what you saw is what you got.

When players are running the show telling coaches what they want it's over - your team will never have a chance to win.

That's about the way it went down. Welcome to ASFN the wild cards.

 

[Russ Smith]

The reason Kendall did what Edwards wanted was because he was running out of options. Teams were not beating down the door to sign him. If he wanted to keep playing he had to obey his next coach.


The Shelton Case.

He asked to be traded.




We might not have a better OL but Green at least tried. He drafted the best G in the draft, he drafted the 2 of the top 3 Cs in the draft, he moved Davis to his natural position, and he signed the RT from the best running team in the NFL last year. He might be failing but there was a chance for success given those moves - if he somehow kept those 2 there was no chance of succes - with them what you saw is what you got.

When players are running the show telling coaches what they want it's over - your team will never have a chance to win.

Hey it's VF again.

First off no Kendall was not "running out of options". When Kendall signed the report was he'd been contacted by EIGHTEEN NFL teams. Not sayign they all offered him the starting C or Guard job mind you but well over HALF the teams in the NFL were interested in signing Pete Kendall when we cut him. He had TONS of options. he chose the Jets because he was close to home, was best friends with Mawae, and presumably figured they offered him the best combo of PT, money and chances to make the playoffs.

Second, we don't know who brought up the trade first, it was rumored for awhile then Green and Graves came out and said he's asked to be traded, we're trying to work it out. Shelton's agent disputed it sort of, he said yes we did ask to be traded, because it was made clear to us that was our only option, we're perfectly happy staying here if a trade doesn't happen, but our preference is a trade because otherwise we're not going to play. That's why some of us were so critical of how Green handled it, he killed any market value Shelton may have had. Before people scream nobody trades for players anymore exhibit A Jamie Winborn, everyone knew he was available, but because SF didn't go and trash the guy and make it clear he'd be cut if nobody traded for him, they had 5 teams offer them a trade.

You keep saying he drafted the best G in the draft, based on what that he's starting, that Green picked him? Brown was not the highest rated guard, he certainly wasn't the first guard taken, I think there were a half dozen guards taken ahead of him. Brown's rating had fallen steadily leading up to the draft, he has as much talent as anybody else but he had flaws, guys like Baas were ranked ahead of him(the first guard taken was Mankins which was a stunner but he's panned out for the pats so far). not the first guard taken, not the highest rated guard, not the most impressive to date, by what criteria is he the "best guard in the draft?"

 

[Pariah]

Pete Oh Pete where have you gone? You ruined our chance for a championship team all by yourself.

No one is saying that Kendall himself would have made us contenders--but why take away pieces to possible contention?

has anyone heard about LJ's problems?

Actually, no, not since the season started. He's been playing really, really well.

 

[joeshmo]

First off no Kendall was not "running out of options". When Kendall signed the report was he'd been contacted by EIGHTEEN NFL teams.

Please, thats what is called agent speak, and just so happened to say it about the same time he was negotiating with the Jets. Hmmmm?

But of course we will never know how many team actually contacted him, but all we got is what his agents is selling us, so who knows.

 

[Russ Smith]

Please, thats what is called agent speak, and just so happened to say it about the same time he was negotiating with the Jets. Hmmmm?

But of course we will never know how many team actually contacted him, but all we got is what his agents is selling us, so who knows.

Sure it came from his agent but VF's comment came from nowhere, he has absolutely no idea how much interest Kendall got, he just said he was running out of options because it fit his slant. I was just correcting him.

As to do I believe Kendall got interest, absolutely, why, because I know both the Raiders and 49ers commented that they may have interest but that there were a LOT of teams interested in Kendall so he was probably going to be out of their price ranges(both teams were dumping salaries at the time to get under the cap).

 

[joeshmo]

Actually, no, not since the season started. He's been playing really, really well.

He is playing average at LT which is exactly what did here, just enough. Which granted could maybe still be an upgrade here even playing at RT. But he hasnt improved their run game either. 3.6 YPC and 0 TD's. I think we wold still be in the same exact boat here if Shelton was our RT or anywhere else, we would be complaing about our run blocking.

4 Penalties and 3 sacks for Shelton, and playing next to a top 3 LG (Andruzzi) tends to elevate your game. I am still pissed we didnt go after him, but then again I dont think anyone had a shot at it playing for a former coach that he liked and all.

Davis has 6 penalties and .5 sacks allowed.

And

Ross/Wakefield Combo 8 penalties and 3 sacks allowed(playing against better DE's on a consistent basis)

Oh man we have a lot of penalties.

 

[joeshmo]

As to do I believe Kendall got interest, absolutely, why, because I know both the Raiders and 49ers commented that they may have interest but that there were a LOT of teams interested in Kendall so he was probably going to be out of their price ranges(both teams were dumping salaries at the time to get under the cap).

Again who told them a LOT of teams were interested in him, who, his agent thats who. I know for sure it wasnt other teams talking to the Raiders or 49ers. What team is going to let another team know what their intentions are.

And just as you pointed out Raiders and 49ers were in salary dump mode so how serious were those so called "18 teams" contacts in the first place. Probably less then half of that even had the cap space to even be in Kendalls price range.

But I agree the thought that the idea he didnt have any options is wrong. He probably had at the very least 2 very serious suitors. But 18 is a very big agent speak exaggeration IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

He is playing average at LT which is exactly what did here, just enough. Which granted could maybe still be an upgrade here even playing at RT. But he hasnt improved their run game either. 3.6 YPC and 0 TD's.

4 Penalties and 3 sacks for Shelton, and playing next to a top 3 LG tends to elevate your game.

And playing without a top receiver option tends to increase sacks since the QB is standing there waiting for someone to get open. Hey where's K2, where's Braylon, their best WR's are Antonio Bryant and Dennis Northcutt, their TE is better known as a speed skater, they don't exactly have Boldin and Fitz to throw to.

 

[Duckjake]

Did you see Clemente play

I saw him play. The guy was amazing. Knocked the cover off the ball and had a rocket arm. A tragedy that his career ended like it did.

 

[joeshmo]

And playing without a top receiver option tends to increase sacks since the QB is standing there waiting for someone to get open. Hey where's K2, where's Braylon, their best WR's are Antonio Bryant and Dennis Northcutt, their TE is better known as a speed skater, they don't exactly have Boldin and Fitz to throw to.

But they also dont have a so called statue who holds on to the ball to long.

Dilfer doesnt take sacks he knows when to get rid of the ball thats his M.O., thats why he is still in the league at his age. He doesnt make mistakes or take uneccisary shots.