Kerry Rhodes still unemployed?

[Russ Smith]

LOL

So Dockett gets in an arguement with the guy over not wanting to let the other team score and now noone will hire the guy and its somehow Docketts fault? lmao!

His apology made it clear that he has a hard time with "let them score" is all he made clear. I respect his pride. Our offense couldnt gain a yard, let alone score in 2 minutes after we let the other team score.


First you said its because hes gay, then you said its because Dockett.

I said I assume it's because they think he's gay, IF it's because of Dockett it's bad because the Cards clearly got that Dockett was 100% wrong, they fined him 100K.

So my assumption is it's because they think he's gay and that's sad.

Dockett made it perfectly clear he still didn't get it, he said he's played to win his whole life and couldn't lay down, he didn't get that laying down was the ONLY chance the Cards had to get the ball back. You can't win if the other team runs out the clock, so if he really wants to win, he should have done what they told him to do instead of arguing about it and allegedly spitting on Rhodes during the argument.

 

[Russ Smith]

If he's gay do you actually think that this just came out in the last 6, 7 months?

No I think that's why the jets dumped him several years ago and we got him then, because Rex Ryan decided a gay player in his locker room was something he didn't want so he said the guy is "hollywood" and dumped him.

The guy was one of our better players recently but I think the Cards figured he wanted too much money and rightly assumed he wouldn't get it on the open market.

But with all the stuff coming out now from Rhodes alleged ex boyfriend, I think NFL teams have now decided it's too controversial, and again that's just sad.

They asked Herm Edwards about it on ESPN awhile back, gay players and he said NFL coaches want to win, they're not going to avoid a good player for something that silly. I wish that were true but I don't think it is, I think the entire NFL is avoiding Rhodes right now because they think he's gay.

 

[BigRedRage]

I said I assume it's because they think he's gay, IF it's because of Dockett it's bad because the Cards clearly got that Dockett was 100% wrong, they fined him 100K.

So my assumption is it's because they think he's gay and that's sad.

Dockett made it perfectly clear he still didn't get it, he said he's played to win his whole life and couldn't lay down, he didn't get that laying down was the ONLY chance the Cards had to get the ball back. You can't win if the other team runs out the clock, so if he really wants to win, he should have done what they told him to do instead of arguing about it and allegedly spitting on Rhodes during the argument.

what does any of that have to do with rhodes being gay and unemployed?

Yes, dockett said its against who he is to let a man walk on him, I have no issue with that especially with how we couldnt get yards as an offense, why let them score just to watch 3 sacks and a punt?

Either way, I still dont see what dockett punking rhodes has to do with him being gay opr unemployed.

 

[Cheesebeef]

what does any of that have to do with rhodes being gay and unemployed?

Yes, dockett said its against who he is to let a man walk on him, I have no issue with that especially with how we couldnt get yards as an offense, why let them score just to watch 3 sacks and a punt?

Either way, I still dont see what dockett punking rhodes has to do with him being gay opr unemployed.

Wouldn't surprise me if the alleged spitting on Rhodes had somethibg to do with him being gay and "laying down". Anyone hear that tirade Dockett went on when the former FSU QB accused him of being gay. It was pretty ugly. Cards might have seen the issue first hand here...with the problem it could present. Has anyone ever wondered why only Rhodes was targeted by Dockett...not the coaches...or any other player.

All of this is COMPLETELY hypothetical, but it wouldn't surprise me knowing how Dockett's responded on the subject before.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Wouldn't surprise me if the alleged spitting on Rhodes had somethibg to do with him being gay and "laying down". Anyone hear that tirade Dockett went on when the former FSU QB accused him of being gay. It was pretty ugly. Cards might have seen the issue first hand here...with the problem it could present. Has anyone ever wondered why only Rhodes was targeted by Dockett...not the coaches...or any other player.

All of this is COMPLETELY hypothetical, but it wouldn't surprise me knowing how Dockett's responded on the subject before.

The spitting incident was denied by Rhodes.

 

[Russ Smith]

what does any of that have to do with rhodes being gay and unemployed?

Yes, dockett said its against who he is to let a man walk on him, I have no issue with that especially with how we couldnt get yards as an offense, why let them score just to watch 3 sacks and a punt?

Either way, I still dont see what dockett punking rhodes has to do with him being gay opr unemployed.

I didn't say Rhodes was gay or unemployed because of Dockett, you misunderstood what I said.

"If it is because of Dockett shame on him and shame on the Cards for siding with him. Dockett was 100% wrong on that play, the only chance the Cards had to get the ball back was let Greene score. Greene figured it out and slid down, and even after the game and the fine, Dockett's apology made it totally clear he didn't get why the coaches wanted to let the Jets score."


I said I think he's unemployed because people think he's gay.

And IF, again note the IF, it were really because of Dockett, as a couple of people posted here, that would be bad. Because the fact is in that incident, Rhodes was 100% right and Dockett was 100% wrong. I don't care if Dockett thinks it's "tough" to refuse to lay down, the only chance we had to get the ball back was to do that. Football is a very violent game, i get that, but you have to be smart too you have to trust that when your coach tells you to do that, there's a good reason. his comments even after the fine and during his apology made it completely clear he STILL didn't get it.

He said he believes in playing to win, it's like refusing to foul late in a basketball game because you were taught to play for the win by going for the steal over and over. He simply didn't grasp that being down 8 with the ball is better than being down 1 with them running out the clock. That's precisely what happed Greene slid down, then McElroy took a knee twice and the game ended without Dockett getting any chance to win the game for his team.

 

[Darkside]

I didn't say Rhodes was gay or unemployed because of Dockett, you misunderstood what I said.

"If it is because of Dockett shame on him and shame on the Cards for siding with him. Dockett was 100% wrong on that play, the only chance the Cards had to get the ball back was let Greene score. Greene figured it out and slid down, and even after the game and the fine, Dockett's apology made it totally clear he didn't get why the coaches wanted to let the Jets score."


I said I think he's unemployed because people think he's gay.

And IF, again note the IF, it were really because of Dockett, as a couple of people posted here, that would be bad. Because the fact is in that incident, Rhodes was 100% right and Dockett was 100% wrong. I don't care if Dockett thinks it's "tough" to refuse to lay down, the only chance we had to get the ball back was to do that. Football is a very violent game, i get that, but you have to be smart too you have to trust that when your coach tells you to do that, there's a good reason. his comments even after the fine and during his apology made it completely clear he STILL didn't get it.

He said he believes in playing to win, it's like refusing to foul late in a basketball game because you were taught to play for the win by going for the steal over and over. He simply didn't grasp that being down 8 with the ball is better than being down 1 with them running out the clock. That's precisely what happed Greene slid down, then McElroy took a knee twice and the game ended without Dockett getting any chance to win the game for his team.

I agree with your assessment on Rhodes being blackballed because of the gay rumors. Lot of teams simply don't want the attention of their club on anything other than football. And that story wouldn't go away--it would be year long, every week. Assuming any of it is even true.

However, I think we're missing some elements of the Dockett incident and not wanting to lie down. The nuance of it is that Dockett knew, just like we all did, that our offense was beyond putrid and had 0 chance, absolute 0, of moving the ball and scoring a TD AND a two-point conversion to tie that game. That wasn't going to happen. One miracle is enough--scoring a TD with our horrid offense, but that tie required two miracles when you include the two-point conversion. So after the offense has sucked ass all year, it's the defense that is asked to lay down and sacrifice and just roll over. Our D was the strongest unit last year and that's beyond dispute. And they're the ones asked to roll over. I'd have felt better had we asked our offense to punt on first down.

I'm not saying Dockett is right, I'm just saying there's more nuance to it than just the fact that Dockett was acting stupid. And if our offense had half the pride Dockett does in his unit, they wouldn't have sucked so horribly bad.

Addendum: and they went out the next week and got destroyed 58-0. Message sent, defense roll over. They did. It took the fight out of the only good unit we had last year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The spitting incident was denied by Rhodes.

that's fine and maybe you believe that everything people say in the NFL is true and that there was no spin going on there, but a 100,000 fine had to happen for something more then a disagreement on the sidelines. that type of stuff happens all the time...fines that big because of something you said to your own teammate don't. then again, maybe it was because of what Dockett said, but what could be that inflammatory as to warrant a 100K fine?

 

[Shane]

that's fine and maybe you believe that everything people say in the NFL is true and that there was no spin going on there, but a 100,000 fine had to happen for something more then a disagreement on the sidelines. that type of stuff happens all the time...fines that big because of something you said to your own teammate don't. then again, maybe it was because of what Dockett said, but what could be that inflammatory as to warrant a 100K fine?

Saying something to Kerry Rhodes may not warrant it. But outright defying your DC and not getting with the program and doing what he says you need to do on the field absolutely warrants such a fine. You can't let the players run the roost.

 

[Gee!]

Don't like the Mathieu anymore?

That's Honey Badger to you Vespa..

 

[HotSauce]

Is he being blackballed or just not really needed for the $$ he'd command right now? Last I checked S Quintin Mikell hasn't signed with anyone yet either.

They'll probably get their deals next week. Or perhaps after game one so their $$$ aren't guaranteed.

 

[Gee!]

My suspicion is the Cards did it for the same reason he's unsigned now, and that's just sad.

From my recollection.. The Cards asked Rhodes to take a pay cut and he said no.. Thought he could get a better deal somewhere else.. But seeing as though this offseason has seen a lot of vets not being signed or on one year deals while the teams wait for the cap to adjust the next few years.. I doubt it has anything to do with the Cards or Dockett..

Now, Rhodes stylist that ran his mouth about Rhodes being gay, might have more to with this than anything else.. Which came after Rhodes was released..

 

[Duckjake]

From my recollection.. The Cards asked Rhodes to take a pay cut and he said no.. Thought he could get a better deal somewhere else.. But seeing as though this offseason has seen a lot of vets not being signed or on one year deals while the teams wait for the cap to adjust the next few years.. I doubt it has anything to do with the Cards or Dockett..

Now, Rhodes stylist that ran his mouth about Rhodes being gay, might have more to with this than anything else.. Which came after Rhodes was released..

I agree. If a guy came out and said he slept with Giraffes but could shut down the other teams #1 WR 75% of the time he'd be signed in a heart beat for millions. This homosexual conspiracy stuff is ridiculous.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree. If a guy came out and said he slept with Giraffes but could shut down the other teams #1 WR 75% of the time he'd be signed in a heart beat for millions. This homosexual conspiracy stuff is ridiculous.

ridiculous? one of the best players on one of the better defenses in the league, who's still smack dab in his prime, is jobless and hasn't even gotten a whiff from anyone all off-season long because...of why? oh yeah...he wants too much money? pretty sure if guys like Dansby, Winston and Abraham could all be cut because of salary and realized they needed to take much smaller/shorter deals, Rhodes must be the biggest idiot in the world not to have done the same thing. Dude's not even in the league...AT ALL because he still thinks he should be getting paid what he made this year? come on. THAT'S ridiculous.

 

[Gee!]

ridiculous? one of the best players on one of the better defenses in the league, who's still smack dab in his prime, is jobless and hasn't even gotten a whiff from anyone all off-season long because...of why? oh yeah...he wants too much money? pretty sure if guys like Dansby, Winston and Abraham could all be cut because of salary and realized they needed to take much smaller/shorter deals, Rhodes must be the biggest idiot in the world not to have done the same thing. Dude's not even in the league...AT ALL because he still thinks he should be getting paid what he made this year? come on. THAT'S ridiculous.

Rhodes could have gotten paid and still been on this team if he took a pay cut.. And this wouldn't be an issue.. He chose not to.. What is hard to understand about that?

 

[Duckjake]

Rhodes could have gotten paid and still been on this team if he took a pay cut.. And this wouldn't be an issue.. He chose not to.. What is hard to understand about that?

Exactly. Why is it so hard for some people to understand that some people just don't want to crash into other people for money when they already have plenty.

Just look at Pro golfers. They pass up the opportunity to win hundreds of thousands of dollars just because they are tired or want to spend more time with their family or just don't feel like playing golf that week.

Rhodes is not smack dab in the middle of his prime at 30 and was overrated anyway. The defense didn't miss a beat when he went out in 2011.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm stcking with my theory........Rhodes is just not all he's cracked up to be by people on here. He's an average safety over 30 years old and I don't believe plays special teams.

You can get similar play from a younger, cheaper player and get the benefit of a guy who plays ST's.

 

[Mulli]

Exactly. Why is it so hard for some people to understand that some people just don't want to crash into other people for money when they already have plenty.

Just look at Pro golfers. They pass up the opportunity to win hundreds of thousands of dollars just because they are tired or want to spend more time with their family or just don't feel like playing golf that week.

Rhodes is not smack dab in the middle of his prime at 30 and was overrated anyway. The defense didn't miss a beat when he went out in 2011.

 

[Russ Smith]

From my recollection.. The Cards asked Rhodes to take a pay cut and he said no.. Thought he could get a better deal somewhere else.. But seeing as though this offseason has seen a lot of vets not being signed or on one year deals while the teams wait for the cap to adjust the next few years.. I doubt it has anything to do with the Cards or Dockett..

Now, Rhodes stylist that ran his mouth about Rhodes being gay, might have more to with this than anything else.. Which came after Rhodes was released..

Yes but again the notion that Rhodes might be gay is not new, it was around when the jets unloaded him to us.

I think he was a vital part of our turnaround on defense. I'd take him back in a heartbeat on the current roster but we don't seem interested. Maybe he's not interested either who knows.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm stcking with my theory........Rhodes is just not all he's cracked up to be by people on here. He's an average safety over 30 years old and I don't believe plays special teams.

You can get similar play from a younger, cheaper player and get the benefit of a guy who plays ST's.

So who is the younger cheaper guy on the team now? It might be Tyrann, I hope so, he's the only guy on the roster at S who even resembles Rhodes as a playmaker.

The notion that Rhodes was overrated started because the defense got better in 2011 after he got hurt. Of course as we all have said repeatedly here, that wasn't because Rhodes wasn't playing, it was because Horton put in a whole new scheme, with an abbreviated camp(lockout) and when the season started the entire defense was confused. Rhodes played the first 5 games, got hurt, the defense eventually figured out the scheme and played much better, Rhodes got healthy played the last 2 games and guess what, the defense wasn't hurt by putting him back in there. Then the next year the defense was even better, with Rhodes in there.

But people got in their head that because we did just fine in 2011 after he got hurt, he's overrated.

Put it this way, do you really think signing Kerry Rhodes couldn't make this team better on defense than it is right now without him?

Maybe he doesn't want to come back, entirely possible he's mad we asked him to take a paycut. But remember that story in June or July he had 4 teams negotiating with him? he can't help any of them either?

At some point you start to say Occam's Razor, he's either as was said incredibly dumb and has priced himself out of the NFL, or there's some other reason.

 

[Duckjake]

Rhodes got healthy played the last 2 games and guess what, the defense wasn't hurt by putting him back in there. Then the next year the defense was even better, with Rhodes in there.

No he didn't. He played in the Bengals game got hurt again and missed the Seattle game. Before you start calling people out get your facts straight.

 

[GuernseyCard]

So who is the younger cheaper guy on the team now? It might be Tyrann, I hope so, he's the only guy on the roster at S who even resembles Rhodes as a playmaker.

The notion that Rhodes was overrated started because the defense got better in 2011 after he got hurt. Of course as we all have said repeatedly here, that wasn't because Rhodes wasn't playing, it was because Horton put in a whole new scheme, with an abbreviated camp(lockout) and when the season started the entire defense was confused. Rhodes played the first 5 games, got hurt, the defense eventually figured out the scheme and played much better, Rhodes got healthy played the last 2 games and guess what, the defense wasn't hurt by putting him back in there. Then the next year the defense was even better, with Rhodes in there.

But people got in their head that because we did just fine in 2011 after he got hurt, he's overrated.

Put it this way, do you really think signing Kerry Rhodes couldn't make this team better on defense than it is right now without him?

Maybe he doesn't want to come back, entirely possible he's mad we asked him to take a paycut. But remember that story in June or July he had 4 teams negotiating with him? he can't help any of them either?

At some point you start to say Occam's Razor, he's either as was said incredibly dumb and has priced himself out of the NFL, or there's some other reason.

Rashad is younger, cheaper on a three year deal and presently lining up at FS, and then there's Mathieu.

 

[Russ Smith]

No he didn't. He played in the Bengals game got hurt again and missed the Seattle game. Before you start calling people out get your facts straight.

Yes he did, he played in the Cleveland game on 12-18, and played against Cincy the next week. 2 games. not the last 2 so I was wrong about that but he played in 2 games and the defense was just fine with him in there and even better the next year.

the defense got better in 11 because they picked up the system, that would have happened with Rhodes in there too, but we would have been even better because he was that good. We found a way to play Marshall as a hybrid S/CB and it worked great but that only happened because we were unable to replace Rhodes at S with a safety. We eventually discovered that Marshall was terrific in that role, I gotta think if we'd had both guys all year the D would have been even better.

The D didn't miss a beat because they actually learned the defense, it had nothing to do with Rhodes being overrated, if anything it was in large part because Marshall turned out to be a pretty good player, when they gave up on the other guys replacing Rhodes.

 

[Russ Smith]

Rashad is younger, cheaper on a three year deal and presently lining up at FS, and then there's Mathieu.

Sure but Rashad is not nearly as good as Rhodes was.

I love Tyrann that's why I mentioned him, but I'm not sure yet he's big enough to be an every down type of player at either FS, or CB, or even this hybrid position.

But we'll see, he's definitely a playmaker.

We went from Rolle, to Rhodes to marshall(due to injury) back to Rhodes. If Rashad is starting there all year i expect to see a big dropoff, hope not but nothing he's done before this year convinces me he's good enough.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Rashad is no where near as effective as Kerry Rhodes.