Kevin Kolb in MVP Discussion?

[PDXChris]

Sando thinks so.


http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/76920/a-vote-for-kevin-kolb-after-cards-4-0-start

Surely someone from the division, and specifically from the unbeaten Arizona Cardinals, should receive a mention in the league MVP race.

We have a nomination: quarterback Kevin Kolb, whose box-score stats line up quite nicely with those for Aaron Rodgers, listed third on MVP Watch.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

LOL

 

[Mulli]

Skelton will split the vote...

 

[Russ Smith]

Wow that's nuts but I guess at the 4 game mark writers have to talk about something.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Surely he said that in jest. Kevin has been better than expected this year but the Kolb hard truth is that the guy has performed adequately at best. There are several players on our team alone that are more deserving of a casual mention in the MVP race.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

Kolb's numbers do match up well against Rodgers'...

 

[gmabel830]

Most Valuable Game Manager!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Most Valuable Game Manager!

What if we had good offensive tackles? How good would Kolb's number be then (and don't say "n/a", because Skelton would still be in there)?

He's generally been playing at a high level. Yes, he needs to play better than he did ageist MIA, but I think we'll see that against STL.

And, a 4th down, 15 yard TD pass, with less than 30 seconds on the clock, to tie the game?

That is sick, crazy clutch.

When was the last time we had a QB complete a pass that clutch? The Plummer pass to Jenkins in the PHI game a million years ago?

Kolb is trending toward great. The haters can deny it. But the QB production numbers don't lie. I'm not saying he's going to get there, because it's a tough thing to do. But you'll never convince me he doesn't have the existing skill set to make it happen.

 

[Duckjake]

Skelton will split the vote...

Or maybe Kurt Warner will get some votes because of all those miracle comebacks he had after getting the Cards in a hole early.

 

[Mulli]

Or maybe Kurt Warner will get some votes because of all those miracle comebacks he had after getting the Cards in a hole early.

 

[D-Dogg]

If you look at strictly stats, he's killing it. If you look at wins...there you are again. If you look at some clutch throws and plays, once again.

It's not stupid.

He's making some mistakes for sure...everyone does. He's also making some good plays, too. And he's played some good teams, too, with good defenses.

I'm happy with Kolb...he's doing his job and doing it damn well. We are 4-0 against a tough schedule, and he's played more than damn decent.

Let him get some MVP chatter...unlikely he gets it at the end of the season, but I sure as ef ain't gonna bluster and bitch because he's being recognized for playing well.

 

[Mulli]

If you look at strictly stats, he's killing it. If you look at wins...there you are again. If you look at some clutch throws and plays, once again.

It's not stupid.

He's making some mistakes for sure...everyone does. He's also making some good plays, too. And he's played some good teams, too, with good defenses.

I'm happy with Kolb...he's doing his job and doing it damn well. We are 4-0 against a tough schedule, and he's played more than damn decent.

Let him get some MVP chatter...unlikely he gets it at the end of the season, but I sure as ef ain't gonna bluster and bitch because he's being recognized for playing well.

This post is more than damn decent. Cards/cards' players either get too much pub or not enough?!?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Best thread ever. )

 

[Duckjake]

Meanwhile our backup QB helps turn a 1-6 team into an 8-8 team and he's a bum who will never be any good.

 

[Mulli]

Meanwhile our backup QB helps turn a 1-6 team into an 8-8 team and he's a bum who will never be any good.

This thread is about Kolb!!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

Meanwhile our backup QB helps turn a 1-6 team into an 8-8 team and he's a bum who will never be any good.

I have no issues with Skelton, and I even thought he should start the season.

However, the stats he put up in the run to 8-8 last year are not comparable to what Kevin has done so far in the run to 4-0. They just aren't.

I like John, and LOVE his pocket poise. He's a very poor man's Big Ben. But Kolb is more accurate by far, and makes better decisions (though not by an enormous margin).

 

[Mulli]

I have no issues with Skelton, and I even thought he should start the season.

However, the stats he put up in the run to 8-8 last year are not comparable to what Kevin has done so far in the run to 4-0. They just aren't.

I like John, and LOVE his pocket poise. He's a very poor man's Big Ben. But Kolb is more accurate by far, and makes better decisions (though not by an enormous margin).

:number1: agree.

 

[Duckjake]

But then after all those miracle comebacks by Warner after getting the Cards in a hole early I guess Skelton wouldn't look too good.

 

[Mulli]

:iwin:

But then after all those miracle comebacks by Warner after getting the Cards in a hole early I guess Skelton wouldn't look too good.

:iwin:

 

[Duckjake]

I have no issues with Skelton, and I even thought he should start the season.

However, the stats he put up in the run to 8-8 last year are not comparable to what Kevin has done so far in the run to 4-0. They just aren't.

I like John, and LOVE his pocket poise. He's a very poor man's Big Ben. But Kolb is more accurate by far, and makes better decisions (though not by an enormous margin).

Well that's the main issue. Stats don't matter. Only wins. Look at Skelton's stats on the game winning and tying drives. You guys just completely ignore those. eg: 4/5 on a 78 yard TD drive. Who cares what his completion % is the first 3 quarters as long as he puts up the numbers in the clutch?

Kolb's completion % on the last 4 plays including the Roberts TD was 25%!!!! I'm sure as hell not going to bitch about that. In 2008 Kurt Warner completed 72% of his passes and had a QB rating of 84.8 against the Jets. Was that great? We lost by 21.

However, that was one of those games where Warner didn't lead a miracle comeback after playing poorly early.

 

[WisconsinCard]

MVP...NO

If he keeps this up...

Come back player of the year....Maybe

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kolb is trending toward great.

uh... wha? Dude's been a HELL of a lot better than last year, but up until the last play of the game last week, a 4th down... against a BAD dolphins team AT HOME, he had a 2:2 TD:INT ratio and had led the team to a whopping 14 points.

like i said, he's been much better... and I'd even venture to say GOOD through the first three games, but trending towards great is an incredible stretch IMO.

 

[Mulli]

Well that's the main issue. Stats don't matter. Only wins. Look at Skelton's stats on the game winning and tying drives. You guys just completely ignore those. eg: 4/5 on a 78 yard TD drive. Who cares what his completion % is the first 3 quarters as long as he puts up the numbers in the clutch?

Kolb's completion % on the last 4 plays including the Roberts TD was 25%!!!!

Skelton completed too many to other team?

:runsandhides:

 

[D-Dogg]

Well that's the main issue. Stats don't matter. Only wins. Look at Skelton's stats on the game winning and tying drives. You guys just completely ignore those. eg: 4/5 on a 78 yard TD drive. Who cares what his completion % is the first 3 quarters as long as he puts up the numbers in the clutch?

Kolb's completion % on the last 4 plays including the Roberts TD was 25%!!!!

Not true. I think QB wins are the most meaningless of all QB stats. ALL. I've said this in the past as well. QBs have a lot of say in wins and losses, but nowhere near enough to point to Ws and make that a measuring stick. Way too many moving parts, especially on teams with strong defenses or special teams. Rex Grossman "won" the monday night meltdown, but the Bears offense didn't even score a TD.

I don't ignore anything...if it WASN'T for Skelton being clutch, I wouldn't like the guy at all. He IS clutch, and it's awesome.

I have confidence that Skelton can win us games. I think Kolb is the better QB with the higher ceiling. Skelton is tougher and better in the pocket. Kolb is more accurate and throws a better ball.

I think sometimes people try to (and not you specifically, DJ) make it Kolb or Skelton, take your guy and ride or die. I like both, but think Kolb with his head right gives us the best chance to win. In the preseason, his head was WRONG and thus Skelton gave us the best chance to win.

 

[Duckjake]

Wait I was wrong. The Jets game was a game where Warner, who was just another Jake Plummer, got the team in a hole early and tried to make a miracle comeback. Because we all know that, as Mulli claims, Warner was just like Jake Plummer but nobody called him a Jake Plummer clone.