KG traded to Celtics...

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I can honestly say I never remember seeing KG double teamed.

Edit: I'm not trying to dispute that jump shooters aren't double teamed, but rather that Garnett does not ravage teams inside. Last year 77% percent of his shots were jump shots, the same amount as Steve Nash. Meanwhile Minnesota finished last in the league in points in the paint.
 
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Since when was KG worth... 1st round Pick, Ryan Gomes, Al Jefferson, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green, and Theo Ratliff? Those guys all got regular minutes for Boston.

Now Boston looks pretty bare... Are they going to have a 6 man rotation with 2 shootfirst guards in Pierce and Allen? I dont think that this team works as well as everyone thinks. On top of that they are all in their 30s. Boston really just sold their future for a shot at playoffs for two years, and Minnesota went to the bank.

Gomes would get regular minutes on our team, Telfair would be a good backup to learn from Nash, Al Jefferson is a future allstar, Gerald Green won the slam dunk contest..I know who cares, and then a first rounder on top of all this. Unbelievable.

it's definitely giving up a lot but a) they still have the MLE and LLE b) they've stunk for the last three years and the better part of the last twenty c) they play in the East where KG/Pierce can still be pretty effective for at least the next four years and Allen's good for the next three and d) they don't need a pass-first PG with three guys who all average at least 4 dimes per game.
 

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How could the Suns match this?(not official, but widely reported)
  • Jefferson He's the centerpiece, a young promising big man too build around.
  • Gomes: Good role player
  • Green: Young, athletic and full of potential
  • Telfair: He's a punk, but he's just filler
  • Ratliff: Filler to make the trade work and an expiring contract.
  • Boston first round pick
  • Minnesota first round pick that they sent to Boston in the Ricky Davis trade
What could the Suns offer, besides a combo of this?
  • Marion: He's too old for Minnesota's plans, and not likely to stay after one year
  • Barbs: Nice, but they already have Foye
  • Atlanta 08: Nice pick, but Atlanta is likely to be better
  • Future Phoenix first? Likely to be late picks until at least 2010.
  • KT? Filler, Gives them an expiring contract and nothing else.
  • Diaw? Keep walking.
  • Banks? Keep Walking.
so you are you....bickley or MJ
 

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His price just makes me wonder why the Suns could not get it done. I guess it just hurts he's not in a Suns uniform.

#1 Money.

#2 Didn't have a big man to trade

#3 Didn't have 2 first round picks to trade since we keep selling them

#4-#10 Repeat #1.
 

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#1 Money.

#2 Didn't have a big man to trade

#3 Didn't have 2 first round picks to trade since we keep selling them

#4-#10 Repeat #1.

#1, Shawn Marion didn't agree to extend with boston. If he did, Kevin Garnett would be a sun right now, period.
 

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Good heavens people. Sure KG-Allen-Pierce is better than Stat-Marion-Bell, however Nash is leagues better than Rondo. Hill is better than whoever the Celts fifth starter will be, probably Perkins. And LB and Diaw are better than whoever the Celts will be bringing off the pine.

All of that being said, the Suns do still need to get PJ Brown. I don't want Amare to have to guard KG and get into foul trouble, though I think PJ might be too slow to cover KG.

As it stands right now, the match ups look like this:

Amare guards Perkins
Marion guards KG
Hill guards Pierce
Bell guards Allen
Nash guards Rondo

Pretty much no cross matching, I worry about Hill on Pierce (I'd rather have Marion, but obviously then Amare or Hill would have to be on KG).
You should worry about getting out of WC first before you start worrying about NBA finals matchups...
 

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How could the Suns match this?(not official, but widely reported)

What could the Suns offer, besides a combo of this?
  • Marion: He's too old for Minnesota's plans, and not likely to stay after one year
  • Barbs: Nice, but they already have Foye
  • Atlanta 08: Nice pick, but Atlanta is likely to be better
  • Future Phoenix first? Likely to be late picks until at least 2010.
  • KT? Filler, Gives them an expiring contract and nothing else.
  • Diaw? Keep walking.
  • Banks? Keep Walking.

Wrong. Foye is no Barbosa. Wolves would LOVE to have him. In fact, all 29 teams are dying for Barbosa. What an insult.

Atlanta likely to get better? Based on what evidence? History? History is sure not on your side of the argument. With Al Horford being their only offseason transaction, I highly doubt Hawks will be any better. In fact, that pick is still a fantastic lottery top 10 pick right now....

Diaw....keep walking? Diaw is a very versatile player. Can't believe how quickly people seem to forget. People really do have a 3 second memory span. Recall the 2005-2006 season and imagine where Suns would be without him.

Banks....keep walking? Wow - if I remember correctly, Banks had his best numbers in Minnesota. He had career numbers while playing starting point guard for the Wolves.
 

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Banks....keep walking? Wow - if I remember correctly, Banks had his best numbers in Minnesota. He had career numbers while playing starting point guard for the Wolves.


Yeah!!! Banks was so great Minnesota couldn't wait to resign him. Oh wait....
 

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You should worry about getting out of WC first before you start worrying about NBA finals matchups...

I'm a FAN, what I worry about has exactly zero effect on the Phoenix Suns or any pro, college, or even high school or pop warner team. :D
 

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-f7EeDpYI&mode=related&search=

go to 4:20. i've never seen anything as emotional since for something BASKETBALL related

this guy is coming to boston

you gonna bet against him in the east?

the most intense player in basketball. i think he's a little crazy. with his presence, those guys outside of the big 3 there are either going to play above their heads or get completely destroyed.
 

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Wrong. Foye is no Barbosa. Wolves would LOVE to have him. In fact, all 29 teams are dying for Barbosa. What an insult.

Foye was a rookie last year. He is already ahead of Barbs in his rookie season.

Atlanta likely to get better? Based on what evidence? History? History is sure not on your side of the argument. With Al Horford being their only offseason transaction, I highly doubt Hawks will be any better. In fact, that pick is still a fantastic lottery top 10 pick right now....
Things are bound to click in Atlanta sooner or later as their youth matures. I definitely don't think they'll end up with the fourth worst record again. Remember, they tanked the last two months of the season. However, Boston and other Eastern conference teams improving helps our chances.

Diaw....keep walking? Diaw is a very versatile player. Can't believe how quickly people seem to forget. People really do have a 3 second memory span. Recall the 2005-2006 season and imagine where Suns would be without him.
No GM in the NBA wants to touch Diaw, not because of his play, but because of his play in relation to his contract. He makes 9 mil a year!

Banks....keep walking? Wow - if I remember correctly, Banks had his best numbers in Minnesota. He had career numbers while playing starting point guard for the Wolves.
Keep walking. That's what any GM will tell the Suns if they try to pawn Banks off. Unless you are willing to part with the Atlanta pick.
 

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the suns CANT offer anything. we have no pieces to trade anymore, and would have no bench after ANY trade for him.

and considering what we gave up to chop off the LT, we arent even INTERESTED in adding more salary to this team.

WE ARENT GOING TO MAKE AN OFFER.

I never felt the Suns COULD make a realistic offer once the Hawks stole their pick back. The Wolves wanted an established inside guy and did not want Marion (nor did he want to go). At the same time, the Suns did not want to add to the luxury tax, which was all but inevitable with KG's salary.

The Wolves have picked up a lot of nice prospects: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair to go with the expiring contract of Theo Ratliff and at least one first round draft pick. The Suns seem pretty short handed right now as it is without having to give up five players including two rotation guys.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0730kg-ON.html
 
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This is the second-best scenario for Phx. If the Suns beat SA, I'm not worried about Boston. (Or Detroit, Chicago, or Miami, for that matter.)

Anyway, good luck to KG in Beantown. :thumbup:
 

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#1, Shawn Marion didn't agree to extend with boston. If he did, Kevin Garnett would be a sun right now, period.

What do you base that on? From the beginning the Wolves made it clear they wanted a serious inside guy in any deal they'd do. The three way with Boston would not do that for the Wolves.

Why do we believe that this deal was close to happening? It was entirely due to the fact that KG wanted to come to Phoenix. Yet early on, the Wolves kept talking about getting Jefferson or Amare - not just draft picks and expiring contracts.

The fact that the Suns were in the conversation at all suggests that for KG they were prepared to pay a bunch of luxury tax. Marion and KT ($24 million for KG at $22 million would have left the Suns hugely over the tax line for at least two years). Throwing in Barbosa (never even rumored) would have changed the LT impact for the Suns but since the Wolves also are above the LT would not necessarily have been desired by the Wolves. (Not to mention devestating the Suns bench).

What the Wolves settled for gives them more immediate benefits and they still get two fiuture firsts. The three way deal with the Suns without Amare included was just not enough. Blaming Marion is really beside the point.
 

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The KG to PHX rumor was largely promoted by ESPN, and so most perceived any deal between the two as close, but in all reality, they couldn't really get anything done.

I was part of the "if Marion has anything to with this, I'll hate him forever" bandwagon, but I got caught in the hype just like a lot of people did.
 

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The KG to PHX rumor was largely promoted by ESPN, and so most perceived any deal between the two as close, but in all reality, they couldn't really get anything done.

I was part of the "if Marion has anything to with this, I'll hate him forever" bandwagon, but I got caught in the hype just like a lot of people did.

What's your evidence for this? That Suns brass are now denying everything? They'd do that no matter what. Obviously they aren't going to come out and say, "Yeah, we tried to move Marion and some other pieces out for Garnett, but we couldn't connect all the dots."

I've never before seen that level of chatter for something completely unfounded. Either all of the mania over the Boston three-way was absolutely unprecedented for its amount of pure, focused, many-times-collaborated nonsense ... or there was something to it.

Personally, I'd say the evidence points pretty strongly to the latter possibility.
 

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3 year, $51M extension. That is actually a pretty reasonable contract. Only marginally more than Shawn. For KG. Wow.
 

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What's your evidence for this? That Suns brass are now denying everything? They'd do that no matter what. Obviously they aren't going to come out and say, "Yeah, we tried to move Marion and some other pieces out for Garnett, but we couldn't connect all the dots."

I've never before seen that level of chatter for something completely unfounded. Either all of the mania over the Boston three-way was absolutely unprecedented for its amount of pure, focused, many-times-collaborated nonsense ... or there was something to it.

Personally, I'd say the evidence points pretty strongly to the latter possibility.

Oh, I'm sure there was "something" going on and the Suns never denied discussions that included Marion. What we don't know is how close it was. Since it seems pretty obvious that everybody involved is lying, I doubt we will ever know.
 

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wow. been gone for only 2 days and now this happens?

shucks.

i really hoped KG will land in phoenix..

oh well..

go suns!
 

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What's your evidence for this? That Suns brass are now denying everything? They'd do that no matter what. Obviously they aren't going to come out and say, "Yeah, we tried to move Marion and some other pieces out for Garnett, but we couldn't connect all the dots."

I've never before seen that level of chatter for something completely unfounded. Either all of the mania over the Boston three-way was absolutely unprecedented for its amount of pure, focused, many-times-collaborated nonsense ... or there was something to it.

Personally, I'd say the evidence points pretty strongly to the latter possibility.

Here's what I believe really happened at this point. The Shawn Marion/Boston deal that was actually close to getting done did not involve KG. I'm sure the Phoenix Suns were pushing for something, but the Minnesota Timberwolves were not about to pull the trigger if they were getting back expiring contracts and the #5. They wanted Al Jefferson or Amare Stoudemire.

The deal that was close when Shawn Marion for Theo Ratliff, Delonte West or Tony Allen, and the #5. That's the trade that probably would have been done if Shawn Marion was willing to sign an extension in Boston. btw, I think they would have taken Corey Brewer at #5 if that deal had gone down.

I know many of you just refuse to believe that the Phoenix Suns were ever willing to part with Amare. However, I think this latest SI report is probably closer to reality. I'm not sure how close anything was to actually getting done. I do believe they would have created Amare in the right deal for KG though.

Go back and read all of the Phoenix Suns statements wants the rumors of Atlanta being involved broke. It was always, "we haven't had many direct talks with Atlanta." Well, that might be true, but it doesn't mean that the Phoenix Suns weren't talking about him possibly going to Atlanta in directly through the Minnesota Timberwolves.

A lot of you guys and the media find it hard to believe that Kevin McHale would want Al Jefferson instead of Amare Stoudemire. I'm not sure why. First of all, with Jefferson you don't have to deal with quite the massive ego of Amare, Jefferson did not have micro fracture surgery two years ago, and Jefferson is still on his rookie contract.

Assuming they don't make any other deals to get rid of somebody like Jaric, I believe Minnesota will have $15 million to spend next summer. That would not be the case if they had traded for Amare. They've also got some decent pieces to make other moves like Ricky Davis with an expiring contract, Gomes, draft picks, and even Telfair if he plays well before the trade deadline.

I'm not sure why a couple of you guys think that the SI article would be spin by Kevin McHale. That doesn't make much sense at all to me. Why would he want people second-guessing him for taking a Jefferson package instead of Amare?

Once it became apparent that none of these deals were going to happen I believe the Phoenix Suns spin machine went into full gear. Please notice that it was all the local puppets (the Suns themselves, Coro, Gambo, etc.) claiming they had never discussed trading Amare. It makes sense. The last thing you want is a guy like Amare Stoudemire believing the Phoenix Suns were willing to trade him.

The clock is still ticking for the Phoenix Suns. They've got to do something to fortify that frontline if they really think they are going to win a championship. They're extremely thin at the 4/5 even if they are completely healthy, and that health is going to be far from certain.

Joe Mama
 

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I have no doubt that the Wolves asked about Amare, so obviously there was discussion. I'm also sure that one of the objections the Suns gave had to do with laving him in the conference, which is why they tried to rope in the Hawks.

The only question is whether the Suns explicitly offered Amare. For McHale to turn down Amare, there had to be an offer from the Suns on the table. Nothing has been said that suggests there actually was one.

The question is not whether the Wolves prefered to get Jefferson, I think Joe is right. Jefferson is much cheaper, does not have a history of injuries, and may be easier to get along with. But the article went further and said McHale rejected the Amare "offer", presumably holding out for Jefferson. I don't buy it.
 

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