King's #5 & #10 for Fox?

[Chris_Sanders]

I think Philly would love to come away with Jackson and Monk but neither will obviously be there at #10 so then trading with Sacramento wouldn't help.

What if Philly takes JJ at 3 and offers their own 2018 pick (unprotected) and the Laker pick (unprotected) for #4? Too risky given we just blatantly tanked and don't come away with a player?

That would be the Loul Deng / Andre Iguodala nightmare all over again.

Trading for future picks that won't be anywhere near where they are now.

 

[GatorAZ]

That would be the Loul Deng / Andre Iguodala nightmare all over again.

Trading for future picks that won't be anywhere near where they are now.

I could see Philly turning it around next year but not the Lakers. Their pick will still be very high. I'm just throwing it out there as a scenario.

If Boston offered the 18' Nets pick for #4 I'd be more intrigued. Generally swapping current picks for future picks is a bad idea though.

 

[Mainstreet]

What if Philly takes JJ at 3 and offers their own 2018 pick (unprotected) and the Laker pick (unprotected) for #4? Too risky given we just blatantly tanked and don't come away with a player?

The 76ers would need to add a player such as Okafor in such a scenario to draw my interest. I'm not sure what his value is though.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I could see Philly turning it around next year but not the Lakers. Their pick will still be very high. I'm just throwing it out there as a scenario.

If Boston offered the 18' Nets pick for #4 I'd be more intrigued. Generally swapping current picks for future picks is a bad idea though.

This is the deepest draft in years. The player we get at #4 would generally be a top 2 pick in any other recent draft.

 

[pokerface]

This is the deepest draft in years. The player we get at #4 would generally be a top 2 pick in any other recent draft.

I was thinking exactly the same thing a few days ago about this draft. Having the #4 pick feels like third choice of #2 pick status. Ball and Fox almost feel interchangeable while I might give Jackson a very slight edge. Fultz is the only clear cut #1.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is the deepest draft in years. The player we get at #4 would generally be a top 2 pick in any other recent draft.

IIRC next years draft is supposed to be better.

 

[JCSunsfan]

IIRC next years draft is supposed to be better.

Never know. Bird in the hand.

 

[hsandhu]

I have no idea why philly isnt doing everything to move up to 1, take fultz and you have your big for 10 years.

They have the assets to do it, # 3 pick, 2018 lakers unprotected, 2019 kings unprotected, dario saric.
All the reporting says boston really likes tatum, can take him at 3.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have no idea why philly isnt doing everything to move up to 1, take fultz and you have your big for 10 years.

They have the assets to do it, # 3 pick, 2018 lakers unprotected, 2019 kings unprotected, dario saric.
All the reporting says boston really likes tatum, can take him at 3.

It's because Fultz's teams don't win--even when he is playing 3 on 3 at the Y.

 

[Mainstreet]

Both DraftExpress and NBADraftnet currently have the Suns drafting Fox at #4.

Fultz, Ball and Jackson are drafted 1, 2, and 3 in both polls as well.

It would put the Suns in position to pull off a nice trade or draft the BPA in Fox. I wouldn't mind the draft falling this way. Lots of options.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Only player I would take for Bledsoe is Fultz. Hoping Ball and Jackson are gone when the Suns pick at 4.

 

[Raze]

If Philly wants Fultz and trades for the #1, that would benefit us in a huge way.

The draft would then go:

Fultz
Ball
Tatum

With our pick of Jackson and Fox we do have lots of options.

If SAC is so enamored with Fox that they really do give us #5 and #10 for #4, then we land the BPA in Jackson (IMO) and
pick up a great prospect at #10. There are some very good prospects after 10: Collins, Collins, Smith, Frank, or Patton.

And if a team like NY or Orlando wants EB for their first, then you could easily pick up Smith at 6 or 8.

We would add Jackson, Smith, and say Zach Collins. Holy cow, that's a great draft.

 

[Folster]

We would add Jackson, Smith, and say Zach Collins. Holy cow, that's a great draft.

There's just no way this team could take on and develop 3 top 10 rookies considering the current roster.

 

[JCSunsfan]

There's just no way this team could take on and develop 3 top 10 rookies considering the current roster.

Right. As much as we want all these rooks--this draft is like a candy store--we cannot handle all of them, especially after drafting 3 that last year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Right. As much as we want all these rooks--this draft is like a candy store--we cannot handle all of them, especially after drafting 3 that last year.

I'd take the stomach ache for a year!

 

[elindholm]

There's just no way this team could take on and develop 3 top 10 rookies considering the current roster.

I'm not sure that matters. The Sixers drafted their Franchise Big of the Future three years in a row (or was it four?), and my guess is they're pretty happy with how that turned out.

You can never have too much elite young talent. If they have to fight for minutes, so much the better.

 

[pokerface]

If we take Fox I hope we deal Bled and try to crack the top ten... again.

If we get Jackson I'm willing to roll as is.

If we get Ball maybe we should move Booker to sf and Bled to sg.

 

[BC867]

If we get Ball maybe we should move Booker to sf and Bled to sg.

I have concerns about moving our two most productive players in a tanking season out of position.

My main concern is using Bledsoe anywhere other than to another team. He is lacking in Point Guard skills. He is lacking in Shooting Guard skills. Having been relegated to the bench, I don't see why he'd even want to be here.

 

[pokerface]

I have concerns about moving our two most productive players in a tanking season out of position.

My main concern is using Bledsoe anywhere other than to another team. He is lacking in Point Guard skills. He is lacking in Shooting Guard skills. Having been relegated to the bench, I don't see why he'd even want to be here.

Coaches experiment with player lineups and positions all the time. This team has nothing but time to change things up.


If they want to deal Bled I just hope they get a good deal for him.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Philly wants Fultz and trades for the #1, that would benefit us in a huge way.

The draft would then go:

Fultz
Ball
Tatum

With our pick of Jackson and Fox we do have lots of options.

If SAC is so enamored with Fox that they really do give us #5 and #10 for #4, then we land the BPA in Jackson (IMO) and
pick up a great prospect at #10. There are some very good prospects after 10: Collins, Collins, Smith, Frank, or Patton.

And if a team like NY or Orlando wants EB for their first, then you could easily pick up Smith at 6 or 8.

We would add Jackson, Smith, and say Zach Collins. Holy cow, that's a great draft.

I like the way your mind works.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd take the stomach ache for a year!

The same here although I don't think the Suns plan to trade Bledsoe right away but I could be wrong.

The beauty of trading #4 for two first round picks, the Suns would not have to give up any player they want to keep. Plus if Len leaves, the Suns have added center depth plus likely a SF.

 

[overseascardfan]

I don't see why we can't take more than one rookie, the window for the rest of the NBA doesn't start for at least another 3 - 4 years at which point GS will be slowing down and hopefully PHX will have enough young talent accumulated at that time to make a run.

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't see why we can't take more than one rookie, the window for the rest of the NBA doesn't start for at least another 3 - 4 years at which point GS will be slowing down and hopefully PHX will have enough young talent accumulated at that time to make a run.

There are multiple issues there. There are only so many minutes to go around. For example, add another PF rookie, and there likely won't be enough time for the rookie, Chriss, and Bender. Add another young PG and there won't be enough time for either him or Ulis.
You have to be able to develop young players, and that takes playing time.
Then you have the matter of extensions coming up at the same time. Players may not be happy with their playing time, or you may not be able to afford that many extensions in a short time frame.

It really is not as simple as, "Add a bunch of young players."

 

[Mainstreet]

There are multiple issues there. There are only so many minutes to go around. For example, add another PF rookie, and there likely won't be enough time for the rookie, Chriss, and Bender. Add another young PG and there won't be enough time for either him or Ulis.
You have to be able to develop young players, and that takes playing time.
Then you have the matter of extensions coming up at the same time. Players may not be happy with their playing time, or you may not be able to afford that many extensions in a short time frame.

It really is not as simple as, "Add a bunch of young players."

I like your answer and agree to an extent. A team can only develop so many players at a time and win.

The counter argument is the Suns do not want to pay Bledsoe big dollars in two years and they may need a replacement for Len. Also the Suns could use an upgrade at small forward. Also the Suns roster is not that good where they could not use an influx of more talent.

Additionally, the Suns may want to use player assets in a trade for a key piece.

Is the draft here yet?

 

[Raze]

There are multiple issues there. There are only so many minutes to go around. For example, add another PF rookie, and there likely won't be enough time for the rookie, Chriss, and Bender. Add another young PG and there won't be enough time for either him or Ulis.
You have to be able to develop young players, and that takes playing time.
Then you have the matter of extensions coming up at the same time. Players may not be happy with their playing time, or you may not be able to afford that many extensions in a short time frame.

It really is not as simple as, "Add a bunch of young players."

I agree it isn't ideal. But then the league isn't ideal. It's a 2 and half horse race. And if we can't butt our way into the fray, get a young talented core who'll be ready when the window opens. I mean what's the formula nowadays: either land Lebron, or nail 3 draft picks like Steph, Klay, and Green which lures title hungry stars like Durant. The latter is all we have to aspire to. So invest in scouting (McD totally has done a good job of this) and pray it pays off.

In the meantime, I'm not really interested in watching a team that has a bunch of middling players who offer zero championships and keep us at the latter end of the lottery. I'll take an up and coming team that drafted well, with guys we can root for (ie. NOT M. Morris), and are building chemistry for the future.

I see no reason to draft a PF. We have plenty of talent at that position. I'd be fine adding a PG, SF and a C though.

As for PT with the hypothetical addition of 3 rookies:

Ulis is an ideal back up. He brings life off the bench and sets up his teammates well. His body doesn't look the type to garner huge minutes. If we drafted Smith I'd give them a 28/20 split of the PG minutes. No point in playing them together. Smith needs to learn the game and stay healthy so starting with limited minutes will help.

Booker deserves max minutes at SG (35 last year). Plenty of options to fill in the remaining minutes.

If we drafted Jackson he could get some decent minutes at SF. I'd split he and Warren's time 24/24. I'd entertain trading either Warren or Bender if we land Jackson.

Chriss looks to add to his paltry 21 m/g. He needs to be closer to 30 than 20. I'd rather see Len getting backup minutes at PF than starting minutes at C.

Again, IF we drafted Collins I'd start Chandler and try to split it 28/20 as well. Zach didn't get a lot of minutes at Gonzaga and will need to be eased into the league.

I like the idea of putting Chriss/Chandler/Warren together for a healthy mix of O/D, with the backups of Collins/Len/Jackson.