Kingsbury and Keim get contract extensions

[Phrazbit]

I just can't believe there are big defenders for any of our KKK sack of doo doo.

Как ты смеешь! Кардиналы переживут всех капиталистических свиней!

 

[QuebecCard]

I punctured your argument, so you ignored that part of the post and focused on the other half. As expected.

Of course, you did to your 'singular' satisfaction with the priceless logic that selecting a QB#1 = playoffs within three seasons.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation​

The phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them. The idea that "correlation implies causation" is an example of a questionable-cause logical fallacy, in which two events occurring together are taken to have established a cause-and-effect relationship.

 

[Stout]

Of course, you did to your 'singular' satisfaction with the priceless logic that selecting a QB#1 = playoffs within three seasons.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation​

The phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them. The idea that "correlation implies causation" is an example of a questionable-cause logical fallacy, in which two events occurring together are taken to have established a cause-and-effect relationship.

Right. So, by your logic, your own argument of wins progression fails. Thanks for posting that

 

[QuebecCard]

Of course, you did to your 'singular' satisfaction.

Right. So, by your logic, your own argument of wins progression fails. Thanks for posting that

Mine was an attempt at humour, nothing more. Quantum leaps in logic are not my thing.

 

[PACardsFan]

Pass that crack pipe this way, my man! I’m gonna need it to get through this off-season... and the next FIVE SEASONS AFTER IT.

When you take into account the longstanding futility of this franchise, then you may very well end up being 100% correct. But, if you’re old enough to really remember just how Bill Bidwill ran this franchise, then this move by Michael is an entirely different path & maybe, just maybe, a good one. Bill never met a HC he didn’t want to fire. When I started watching the Cardinals in 64, Wally Lemm was the HC. Lemm went 9-5 in 63, and then 9-3-2 in 64. In 65, we won 4 of our first 5, then injuries to starters, QB Charley Johnson, RB Prentice Gault, RB Joe Childress, S Larry Wilson, and a few off the OL. Cardinals finished 5-9 & Lemm was gone. The same scenario happened to our next coach Charley Winner, who was a damn good coach. And everyone remembers how things went with Don Coryell in the 70’s. Jim HANIFAN had some decent seasons during lomax‘s early career & was shown the door after an injury plagued season in 85. Gene Stallings could be added to that list also. The fact of the matter is that anytime there was any question at all as to whether to extend or fire, the old man pretty much ALWAYS fired. That carousel of HC’s damaged this franchise for decades. The Cardinals still have a crap reputation because of the evils of Bill Bidwill. Michael is looking for continuity, something his father NEVER had. And that may involve taking on some risk with these extensions. Time will tell.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Want to bet on your over/under? We will make the line 13.5. I’ll take the under.

I'm betting under.

My point still stands that this team won 11 games last year which is one of the best teams in franchise history. It fell apart when the QB fell apart.

 

[BritCard]

When you take into account the longstanding futility of this franchise, then you may very well end up being 100% correct. But, if you’re old enough to really remember just how Bill Bidwill ran this franchise, then this move by Michael is an entirely different path & maybe, just maybe, a good one. Bill never met a HC he didn’t want to fire. When I started watching the Cardinals in 64, Wally Lemm was the HC. Lemm went 9-5 in 63, and then 9-3-2 in 64. In 65, we won 4 of our first 5, then injuries to starters, QB Charley Johnson, RB Prentice Gault, RB Joe Childress, S Larry Wilson, and a few off the OL. Cardinals finished 5-9 & Lemm was gone. The same scenario happened to our next coach Charley Winner, who was a damn good coach. And everyone remembers how things went with Don Coryell in the 70’s. Jim HANIFAN had some decent seasons during lomax‘s early career & was shown the door after an injury plagued season in 85. Gene Stallings could be added to that list also. The fact of the matter is that anytime there was any question at all as to whether to extend or fire, the old man pretty much ALWAYS fired. That carousel of HC’s damaged this franchise for decades. The Cardinals still have a crap reputation because of the evils of Bill Bidwill. Michael is looking for continuity, something his father NEVER had. And that may involve taking on some risk with these extensions. Time will tell.

Great post.

As I said yesterday, firing Kliff and Keim likely leads to a worse future. Not a better one. No matter how unhappy you are.

 

[BritCard]

I'm betting under.

My point still stands that this team won 11 games last year which is one of the best teams in franchise history. It fell apart when the QB fell apart.

Tough to know about next near yet. Depends what happens with other teams. Rams are losing a lot of players and don't have any draft picks. Niners are switching to Lance. Russ might leave Seattle. Time will tell.

Looks tough on paper though. But then I suppose teams will look at the Cards on their schedule and say "tough game" too.

 

[DVontel]

I'm betting under.

My point still stands that this team won 11 games last year which is one of the best teams in franchise history. It fell apart when the QB fell apart.

Kind of sad when you look at the lack of blue-chip talent on the front 7 on paper.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kliff on coaching in college again. It's too much work compared to his cushy NFL job:

“I tell everybody and I’m not making this up, I would do anything before I went back to that,” Kingsbury said, via Tyler Drake of ArizonaSports.com. “Like I would do any job.

“It’s full time now with the social media and you’re either tweeting, calling, facetiming and there’s like this constant anxiety, because if you’re not doing it, the university down the street is. It just never goes away. [In the NFL], when you’re done with the football, you’re done, you go live your life. College, it just never goes away.”

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

I hadn't heard any blind KM defense from you in a long time. Did you think all the kM kerfuffle has blown over? Please, tell me how you're defending his recent childish behavior? What's the excuse this time?

It may surprise you to learn that some folks are capable of nuanced thought.

You can think the way Kyler has handled this contract negotiation is poor, and also not blame him for every single thing that goes wrong with the football team.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kliff on coaching in college again. It's too much work compared to his cushy NFL job:

That's the most jaded view of what he said LOL.

CFB is all about recruiting all of the time.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kind of sad when you look at the lack of blue-chip talent on the front 7 on paper.

The Cardinals need a blue chip on both lines.

 

[ajcardfan]

Kliff on coaching in college again. It's too much work compared to his cushy NFL job:

I've heard other coaches say the exact opposite as to why they left the NFL and went back to college coaching. Saban says it is because you have more control and power as a college head coach.

 

[QuebecCard]

Kliff on coaching in college again. It's too much work compared to his cushy NFL job:

You missed your calling as a headline writer at the National Enquirer.

 

[Stout]

Great post.

As I said yesterday, firing Kliff and Keim likely leads to a worse future. Not a better one. No matter how unhappy you are.

Kliff you can argue, but no way with keim. His ineptitude is on record.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kliff you can argue, but no way with keim. His ineptitude is on record.

It's funny because Keim really excels at finding players like Antonio Hamilton. So I know he's able to find good players. I just don't understand how he's so horrible at drafting.

 

[Stout]

It may surprise you to learn that some folks are capable of nuanced thought.

You can think the way Kyler has handled this contract negotiation is poor, and also not blame him for every single thing that goes wrong with the football team.

Pretty much everyone on this board blames KM for handling it poorly and pretty much no one blames him for every single thing that goes wrong. Your criticism lacks nuance.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Pretty much everyone on this board blames KM for handling it poorly and pretty much no one blames him for every single thing that goes wrong. Your criticism lacks nuance.

I almost think that Kyler loses focus as the year goes on. That by the end of the season, his lack of preparation coupled with wearing down physically, leads to poor play.

The stats tell the story. Over the last six games, Murray played poorly in four of them. Them. He had a chance to win five of them. He has to play better.

Kyler was instrumental in winning nine games so he also deserves a ton of credit for the overall record of the team.

 

[kerouac9]

Kliff on coaching in college again. It's too much work compared to his cushy NFL job:

I've heard other coaches say the exact opposite as to why they left the NFL and went back to college coaching. Saban says it is because you have more control and power as a college head coach.

You definitely have more control and power as a college head coach. You also have more control and power -- and less responsibility -- when you're the head coach at a big-time program that's consistently in the running for national championships.

Saban probably has a bunch of recruiting coordinators and celebrity position coaches and coordinators that set the stage for him to walk in and close prospects (this is what he's almost legendary for).

At Texas Tech, Kliff is basically the only recruiting asset, and it's obvious he'd rather be in the film room or on the practice field than dealing with boosters and everything else. Managing The Program is the top job of a big-time CFB coach.

 

[BritCard]

You definitely have more control and power as a college head coach. You also have more control and power -- and less responsibility -- when you're the head coach at a big-time program that's consistently in the running for national championships.

Saban probably has a bunch of recruiting coordinators and celebrity position coaches and coordinators that set the stage for him to walk in and close prospects (this is what he's almost legendary for).

At Texas Tech, Kliff is basically the only recruiting asset, and it's obvious he'd rather be in the film room or on the practice field than dealing with boosters and everything else. Managing The Program is the top job of a big-time CFB coach.

It's worth watching in the video. No doubting Kliff NEVER wants to go back to college ball. Said he'd rather do TV.

 

[Dr. Jones]

There is not enough alcohol on earth to mask the level of disenfranchisement I feel this offseason. Our owner has made it clear that he cares about this stuff less than most of us do.

We have:
A coach who watches all the tape in the world but never seems to be able to fix the small stuff. From penalties to the 2-min drill.
A GM who grew up as a scout at the NFL level who never seems to consistently be able to scout talent. Has insane personal demons and a track record of NFL drafting futility.
An owner who values wins, but not enough to sacrifice profits for titles. A man who was gifted a franchise and doesn't seem to know how to win in this league.
A coaching staff that consistently let's down the fan base by not putting their players in the right place to be successful as seasons progress.
And a sales and marketing team that focuses on taking your season ticket deposits at the worst possible time regardless of how tone deaf it looks.

That's all that really needs to be said right now.

 

[Chopper0080]

Who gave him the ingredients to cook the meal.

The same guy who gave Wilks the ingredients to put us at the #1 pick. Might be one of your worst arguments.

 

[Chopper0080]

So... you want Kingsbury to publicly put some blame Murray?!?

...dave

A little. I dont mind the Bruce Arians approach to a degree.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

That's the most jaded view of what he said LOL.

CFB is all about recruiting all of the time.

I am admittedly jaded. Not sure how else to take it though