Knicks @ Suns Friday game thread 1-3-20

[95pro]

Nice games by Booker and Oubre. Oubre praised the training staff earlier in the season for working on his explosiveness and fast twitch, but it’s become really evident he’s almost unstoppable when he’s going full steam ahead.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

if Doncic averages 27/7/7, he ends his career as one of the best players of all time with those numbers. Unless Ayton became a dominant defensive player with 20/11, passing on one of the best players ever will have always been the lesser choice. Besides the fact that Doncic at 20 is already averaging 29/9/9.

Okay, maybe right choice wasn't the right wording. But it won't have been a poor choice. Besides, I doubt Doncic is averaging 29/9/9 next to Booker, nor has his shooting been terribly efficient thus far. Of course if he were playing with a sharpshooter like Booker, it would be less pressure on him and he might be scoring more efficiently.

 

[Proximo]

Cam will always have a spot in the NBA but it's like 9th bench guy

Jerome has a ton of talent and I have high hopes

i don’t I have written off Jerome his lack of athleticism is to big of a hurdle to succeed.

i think cam can be better than a 9th man, but it is going to take awhile.

Leque is the guy I am excited about.

 

[devilalum]

Playing Ayton and Baynes also allows them to get 2 of their 6 best players on the court for more minutes.


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[1Sun]

If they're going to run that lineup they need to use the 2nd half version of it. Put Baynes on the outside, leave Ayton in the paint. Ayton's ability to rebound, to close and contest and his sheer length causes a lot of problems for teams, while Baynes has been really flat footed in the paint defensive, basically only trying to take charges.

Yup. Ayton is absolutely the only legitimate interior player we have (unless Monty is convinced to play Diallo in the rotation, and Diallo develops). We NEED him to bang and intimidate inside...and we need at least two more interior players to join him in that endeavor.

 

[WildBB]

Bench is trash

They didn't play too well today. But they've outplayed a bunch of benches this season.

Talking more the front line of Ayton and Baynes together. Without that combo today we probably don't walk away with the W.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ayton would be looking like a nice draft pick if Doncic wasn't an elite player that rarely comes around.

He deserves an opportunity to prove himself.

 

[Proximo]

i've seen 16 year olds crash harder to the rim on pick and rolls. It's the easiest play in basketball to learn, especially for a big man who should be able to impose his will on people.

I don’t understand ayton’s lack of aggressiveness either, but I do think he will figure it out at some point.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ayton would be looking like a nice draft pick if Doncic wasn't an elite player that rarely comes around.

He deserves an opportunity to prove himself.

He is a nice draft pick already. It's just so frustrating because he could be legendary

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

right. he's totally not an MVP candidate already besides the numbers.

also, your stats argument undercuts a 20/11 Ayton impact as well.

Not completely true. While I do believe that stats are inflated overall, I believe they are much more inflated for perimeter players than they are for big men who play mostly inside. Rules changes have been made over the past 20-30 years specifically to make life easier for perimeter players, not interior ones. Also him being an MVP candidate (even though he is only good on one end of the floor) is only comparing him to other players in the league now. It doesn't do much to help with comparing him to players of previous generations.

 

[Mainstreet]

He is a nice draft pick already. It's just so frustrating because he could be legendary

I'm not convinced he can't. With time he might be all of that.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

i don’t I have written off Jerome his lack of athleticism is to big of a hurdle to succeed.

i think cam can be better than a 9th man, but it is going to take awhile.

I believe Cerebral matters more than Athleticism at that position

 

[1Sun]

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Monty said a conversation with James Jones helped push him towards playing DA at the 4 after Jones mentioned some of what DA does well that is very much like a 4. Monty had full support of the coaching staff when he came in with the proposal.

8:41 PM - 3 Jan 2020

This frightens me. The more input James Jones has on playing rotations and strategy, the softer and more dependent on the 3 this team will be. James Jones should stick with what he does best (player relations) and leave the roster building, basketball decisions and game strategy to those who are better equipped to handle them.

 

[Proximo]

I believe Cerebral matters more than Athleticism at that position

Well we will see I guess but I can’t remember anyone unable to drive by his man succeed in the nba as a guard.

 

[1Sun]

I believe Cerebral matters more than Athleticism at that position

In the NBA, you still need at least a basic level of athleticism for the Cerebral matters to...matter. Even Steve Nash had that, and still he struggled mightily on the defensive end.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well we will see I guess but I can’t remember anyone unable to drive by his man succeed in the nba as a guard.

Sorta cursing it but I see Tony Parker

 

[1Sun]

Well we will see I guess but I can’t remember anyone unable to drive by his man succeed in the nba as a guard.

Andre Miller, but that was only because he had the strength to post up pretty much any other guard.

 

[Proximo]

The best thing that has been happening lately is Kelly’s 3 pt shooting.

if he can shoot anywhere near this well consistently he is a legit number 2/3 scoring option.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Andre Miller, but that was only because he had the strength to post up pretty much any other guard.

Andre Miller is the poster boy

 

[Mainstreet]

I believe Cerebral matters more than Athleticism at that position

Minimally Jerome shoot be a solid shooter.

If the Suns knew they could have drafted him they could have gone a different direction at #6 like Jaxson Hayes or even traded down for Brandon Clarke.

 

[1Sun]

Sorta cursing it but I see Tony Parker

I'm willing to give it some time, but sadly thus far I see more of Jimmer Fredette in him...

 

[TJ]

Such a stat-padder

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

Such a stat-padder

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Well what do you know, we put some guys around him that can actually play and in turn we win a good amount of games when Booker play's well..

That being said we really need Booker to put up 30+ more often than he has this year (this run is a good start) as that stat shows that we really need it to win games with regularity.

 

[Mainstreet]

This sounds like Ayton. He is just a kid at heart. He should grow up.


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Deandre Ayton exits the shower with two bags of popcorn asking us if we enjoyed the show.

8:59 PM - 3 Jan 2020

 

[BC867]

This frightens me. The more input James Jones has on playing rotations and strategy, the softer and more dependent on the 3 this team will be. James Jones should stick with what he does best (player relations) and leave the roster building, basketball decisions and game strategy to those who are better equipped to handle them.

We've now heard about one idea that Jones suggested to Monty. The same
idea that many of us proposed. Especially considering Saric as the alternative.

I wouldn't get carried away being frightened about more input from Jones.

Especially since it worked, 1Sun. It worked. Enjoy the moment!

I'm concerned more that Jones has left us without a legitimate backup
Point Guard, a starting Power Forward for the future and a backup
Center and/or Power Forward, depending if Baynes can play regularly
and is not traded during the season.