Knicks & Suns Trade Q for KT

[Mainstreet]

WHO IS GOING TO GET THE D........ FIRST ROUND PICK??

That info keeps changing. If anyone sees for sure let us know.

I have been looking but nothing for sure. It might not be announced until after the game tonight.

Does anyone know the answer to this question and the details (something credible)?

 

[sunsfn]

Mike logged in and said he heard on the radio we got it. I read Paul Caro's article on AZCENTRAL.COM and it said we got it, too. There's a thread on the board about liking how an article broke the trade down, and it says we got the pick, too!

Paul Caro's article has one line by itself that says,
Their is a 1st round pick involved.

He does not say who it goes to.

I just read the article.

 

[Mulli]

Would you like to slurp him up too

 

[fordronken]

ESPN's Brian James view of the trade:

Alex, Phoenix
Hey brian,whats your take on the richardson for kurt thomas deal. im a big suns fan who really enjoyed their style of play last year and i dont know if they can do it as well without Q. plus Q was a great locker room presence. this could possibly bust their tight chemistry. whats your take?

Alex,Q is a great locker room guy and I don't know the reasoning behind this one. But possibly Phoenix felt that it put Shawn Marion at too much of an disadvantage in the playoffs having to start out guarding the power forwards like Duncan. Who knows because I too loved watching Phoenix play this season.

Yeah. He's right. Call David Aldridge. Tell him to get Jared Jeffries on the phone.

 

[JPlay]

what i feel sorry is fans like you who say that they want something then when it comes cant be happy with it. you think that a player that will bring us 10 boards a game play solid post defense and score on open 15-18 foot shot is going to hurt this team more then a player that shot 38% from the field? you have to be kidding me. all you are doing here is bitching to bitch. you are all for trading a all nba 3 rd team for some player that didnt grab as many rebounds as Kt and scored almost the same points as Kt and you think that you have a good idea of what this team needs to win.


well jplay it is time you for you to wake up and smell the coffee. this is a trade that moves this team in a direction to being a real championship team.

When I say I want a defensive, rebounding center of course I'm gonna get pissed when they trade away a starting player for Kurt Thomas. He's not the Defensive, rebounding center I had in mind. Maybe you should read my posts more closely.

 

[elindholm]

"Chemistry" is overrated. It works for a while to have everyone all hugs and kisses, but eventually the team has to start winning when it counts, or no one is happy. The Suns' vaunted chemistry was already starting to crumble with Marion's complaints about how he was being used. Win first, and then worry about whether the players are chums off the court.

 

[elindholm]

When I say I want a defensive, rebounding center of course I'm gonna get pissed when they trade away a starting player for Kurt Thomas.

But he is a defensive, rebounding power forward. With so many teams using PFs and Cs interchangeably these days, what difference does it really make?

 

[Yuma]

Paul Caro's article has one line by itself that says,
Their is a 1st round pick involved.

He does not say who it goes to.

I just read the article.

Maybe it's been edited. Earlier it said we were sending Q to NY and NY was sending Thomas and a conditional first round pick to Phoenix.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

ESPN's Brian James view of the trade:

Alex, Phoenix
Hey brian,whats your take on the richardson for kurt thomas deal. im a big suns fan who really enjoyed their style of play last year and i dont know if they can do it as well without Q. plus Q was a great locker room presence. this could possibly bust their tight chemistry. whats your take?

Alex,Q is a great locker room guy and I don't know the reasoning behind this one. But possibly Phoenix felt that it put Shawn Marion at too much of an disadvantage in the playoffs having to start out guarding the power forwards like Duncan. Who knows because I too loved watching Phoenix play this season.

Hey Brian James,

Who will win the Nazr/Amare matchup in the WCF?

A: I am going to have to give the edge to Nazr on this one.


Credibility == 0

 

[SweetD]

Q skills were limited on this Suns team and was the #5 scorer on the team. What makes you think that can not be replaced through the draft/free agents.

 

[Joe Mama]

-did the suns braintrust do this themselves, or was their hand forced (amare?)?

My guess is that no one forced them to make the trade, but it was done to make them a better team and make Amare, Shawn Marion, and JJ happier. There wasn't a lot of complaining, but my guess is that each of those guys would like to get more shots next year, and Q is a bulk shooter with a low shooting percentage.

-if the suns do not win a title in the next 2 years, is this trade a bust?

Nope. It still leaves the Phoenix Suns in better shape in a couple years. As Eric said already you would have to believe that the Suns could have won the title without making the trade to call it a bust.

-how much of this move was cost-cutting?

I would say a good part of it was cost-cutting. I'm sure Sarver wasn't all that excited about a starting five making over $50 million in a couple years.

-did jim jackson prove enough during the playoffs to lessen q's value?

Absolutely, but I think this trade was ultimately about the money, the rebounding, and the defense, and moving other guys back to their natural positions.

-should amare now be the frontrunner for league mvp next year, with the team quite obviously focusing on him?

I would say this trade might actually hurt his chances of getting the MVP. I think it's going to be difficult for Amare to grab 10+ rebounds per game next year playing alongside Kurt Thomas and Shawn Marion in the frontcourt. I don't see any power player winning the MVP while averaging fewer than 10 rebounds per game. Of course this kid has surprised me before. I would say the MVP favorites will still be Tim Duncan, possibly Steve Nash, LeBron James, and Kevin Garnet (if his team gets better).

-do the suns now have the best frontline in the nba?

Offensively they might have the best frontcourt in the NBA, but that might have been the case last year as well. I like Detroit's 3-5.

-how does this change drafting strategy?

I don't think it changes a whole lot. I still think they will take the best player available.

Yuma,
You can forget the JJ not signing with this team.........Okay?

You are as bad as Joe Mama in saying there is no way in H... the suns would trade Q this off season.........

I had actually softened my stance on the possibilities of Q being traded over the last week or two. I still thought they were pretty remote though. Now as far as Shawn Marion is concerned I still say there's no way in hell he gets traded this summer.

The reason Detroit has been so effective on D is that their big men have the quickness to switch on the pick and roll and defend Parker and Ginobli. Kurt Thomas is slower than a fat kid running in the mud.

Kurt Thomas is not slow for a big man. He moves his feet quite well. At worst he has average quickness for a 4-5. This trade does not hurt the Phoenix Suns offensive we one bit. if the team wants to spread the floor they can always go small with Jim Jackson at small forward. He's also a better three-point shooter.

If you think the Phoenix Suns could have done better I would really like to see a specific trade scenario that does it. Don't just say, "we should have packaged Q with something else for Magloire." I want to see specifics.

Joe Mama

 

[Yuma]

Paul Caro's article has one line by itself that says,
Their is a 1st round pick involved.

He does not say who it goes to.

I just read the article.

This is the title on ESPN's article now, it's been edited, too:

Suns would also get conditional pick

The Phoenix Suns and New York Knicks are in serious talks about a trade that would send Quentin Richardson and a conditional future first-round pick to the Knicks for Kurt Thomas two league sources said.

However, both sources claim that the trade hasn't been completed.

The trade, if it is consummated, would be a good one for both teams. Thomas can provide the Suns more toughness in the paint. He also can play center, allowing the Suns to move Amare Stoudemire back to his natural position at the four. The deal would also clear some cap space, long term, for the Suns, who must re-sign Joe Johnson this summer.

The Knicks have a log jam at the four and have been trying to move Thomas for a month. Richardson will be a good fit in the Knicks offense. He'd give Stephon Marbury a good shooter to kick it to on penetration. He'd also give the Knicks a swing man who can post up and rebound.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

this reminds me so much of AC Green that I wouldn't be suprised if Thomas declared himself a born again virgin.

 

[Mainstreet]

Paul Caro's article has one line by itself that says,
Their is a 1st round pick involved.

He does not say who it goes to.

I just read the article.

Thanks sunsfn and Yuma. I read this article as well as well as the article posted on this Board. I guess others are saying Gambadora (sp) is saying the Suns are sending the first round pick to NY.

This gives me a very sick feeling if this is true.

 

[SweetD]

Thanks sunsfn and Yuma. I read this article as well as well as the article posted on this Board. I guess others are saying Gambadora (sp) is saying the Suns are sending the first round pick to NY.

This gives me a very sick feeling if this is true.

What would the Suns do with the last pick in the draft next year anyways. With the NBDL, Age Limit and 14 man team I don't see late picks being worth a penny soon next year at all.

 

[Yuma]

Thanks sunsfn and Yuma. I read this article as well as well as the article posted on this Board. I guess others are saying Gambadora (sp) is saying the Suns are sending the first round pick to NY.

This gives me a very sick feeling if this is true.

Mike posted earlier that Gambo said WE were getting the pick. NY has two first rounders this year, and salary problems to boot. I bet they didn't want two guarnteed contracts coming out of the draft. No way do I think the Suns send Q AND their #21 for KT. I think logically it almost has to be a NY pick coming our way.

 

[Mainstreet]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunsfn
Paul Caro's article has one line by itself that says,
Their is a 1st round pick involved.

He does not say who it goes to.

I just read the article.



This is the title on ESPN's article now, it's been edited, too:


Quote:
Suns would also get conditional pick




Quote:
The Phoenix Suns and New York Knicks are in serious talks about a trade that would send Quentin Richardson and a conditional future first-round pick to the Knicks for Kurt Thomas two league sources said.

However, both sources claim that the trade hasn't been completed.

The trade, if it is consummated, would be a good one for both teams. Thomas can provide the Suns more toughness in the paint. He also can play center, allowing the Suns to move Amare Stoudemire back to his natural position at the four. The deal would also clear some cap space, long term, for the Suns, who must re-sign Joe Johnson this summer.

The Knicks have a log jam at the four and have been trying to move Thomas for a month. Richardson will be a good fit in the Knicks offense. He'd give Stephon Marbury a good shooter to kick it to on penetration. He'd also give the Knicks a swing man who can post up and rebound.




So who is getting the first round pick? Or is there a first round pick going each way.

 

[SweetD]

Mike posted earlier that Gambo said WE were getting the pick. NY has two first rounders this year, and salary problems to boot. I bet they didn't want two guarnteed contracts coming out of the draft. No way do I think the Suns send Q AND their #21 for KT. I think logically it almost has to be a NY pick coming our way.

What I have heard is that is is a conditional pick which could mean a #30 with a 5 year cut off date??? I say we just wait until it is offical. This all could be BS anyways.

 

[Yuma]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunsfn
Paul Caro's article has one line by itself that says,
Their is a 1st round pick involved.

He does not say who it goes to.

I just read the article.



This is the title on ESPN's article now, it's been edited, too:


Quote:
Suns would also get conditional pick




Quote:
The Phoenix Suns and New York Knicks are in serious talks about a trade that would send Quentin Richardson and a conditional future first-round pick to the Knicks for Kurt Thomas two league sources said.

However, both sources claim that the trade hasn't been completed.

The trade, if it is consummated, would be a good one for both teams. Thomas can provide the Suns more toughness in the paint. He also can play center, allowing the Suns to move Amare Stoudemire back to his natural position at the four. The deal would also clear some cap space, long term, for the Suns, who must re-sign Joe Johnson this summer.

The Knicks have a log jam at the four and have been trying to move Thomas for a month. Richardson will be a good fit in the Knicks offense. He'd give Stephon Marbury a good shooter to kick it to on penetration. He'd also give the Knicks a swing man who can post up and rebound.




So who is getting the first round pick? Or is there a first round pick going each way.

Suns would also get conditional pick

 

[Yuma]

Hey posts just disappeared before my eyes!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

jplay you are so wrong on this one......you are so worried about breaking up the starting 5 of a 62 win team that you dont see the forest thru the trees. Like you said its possible we only win 55 games now because we wont run every teamout of the building in Jnauary but where we make our hay is matching up against those big frontlines in the east and with SA and HOU. I like magloire too but he is actually very comprable to thomas. kurt does alot of things that dont go in the box score. the "dirty work" if you will. hes not any slower than most big guys not named amare and he gets to the glass. You are diluted about Q's value. His biggest contributions that cant be replaced w/ MLE and 21st pick are locker room presence and clutch 3's. His clutchness was devalued after his post season however and now for the future the suns are more flexiblr under the cap. All this and we didnt have to get rid of Marion!!!! It took me a little to warm to this trade but its solid and now amare can leave the enforcing to another just likeTimmy does with Nazr. Plus are fast break is going to be even better with the REBOUNDS Kurt will get. He is not a shot blocking specialist but there is more to interior defense than that. Hopefully we can keep hunter and he can give us that last missing piece off the bench. With this team see how we match up w/ detroit

nash/billups- i will give this a push....ones MVP, one is Finals MVP....billups will score more, nash will set-up more-----WASH

JJ/Hamilton- I'm going to get killed on this one but JJ is my pick here. He can run with rip and bump, plus he is better at setting people up and sticking the three

prince/marion-i love tayshaun but cmon....he a poor mans marion

STAT/Wallace-nuff said...and its not even close

Thomas/Wallace-this is actually closer than you think. The rebounding and d edge go to ben, but KTs shooting and his ability to match up on the glass are the best match up we could find for these guys. Thomas will have a big impact althought the box score might not always bare that out. with our advantadges at other positions and our explosive o and competent D now, i think we beat this team.....esp. w/o Larry Brown next year.

Spurs are another beast but Thomas is better than Nazr. ya'll dont think so just because you saw Nazr upclose is the playoffs. but before the spurs made that trade no one, AND I MEAN NO ONE WHO KNOWS NBA BALL, says Nazr is better then Thomas. the proof is in the pudding. look at the stats and watch the game. with the right moves in the draft and FA, we are right there.....

 

[Mainstreet]

Suns would also get conditional pick

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the content underneath the title to which you refer contradicts this statement unless there is a pick going each way. Do you have a link?

 

[SweetD]

Hey posts just disappeared before my eyes!

There is nothing to see here.

You must be registered for see images attach

 

[Mainstreet]

Help me! Ben Kenobi.

 

[Yuma]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the content underneath the title to which you refer contradicts this statement unless there is a pick going each way. Do you have a link?

It meant we would get an additional pick in addition to getting Kurt Thomas. It's on ESPN.