Kobe Bryant

[PhiLLmattiC]

Well while we're on bible talk lets remember that it also says "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." If Kobe gets off I would be gla to take some of those Kobe items off your hands Brian in Mesa.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by PhiLLmattiC
Well while we're on bible talk lets remember that it also says "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." If Kobe gets off I would be gla to take some of those Kobe items off your hands Brian in Mesa.

He didn't trespass against me. He needs forgiveness from his wife, family, and God.

I'll let you know when I'm doing a Kobe item dump. Likely on eBay. Maybe I could give the money to a woman's shelter or something...

 

[3rdside]

and what about the women who commit adultery?

I would almost go so far to say that adultery is a natural thing considering the extent to which it takes place.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by ...tTs*...
and what about the women who commit adultery?

I don't recall anyone stating that Adultery committed only by males is bad. Adultery period is bad, as is inducing someone to commit adultery.

I would almost go so far to say that adultery is a natural thing considering the extent to which it takes place.

That certainly doesn't make it right. Some might say the same thing about war and murder.

 

[se7en]

Wow. I get the distinct impression that some of you woudn't believe Kobe is guilty even if he were convicted. Some of you think the story is too scripted. Some of you still keep saying it's a "he said she said". Some of you will feel sorry for Kobe even if he did do it. Some of you say you'll wait to see the evidence before you make a judgement. Some of you say that the victim has had 2 months to make up a story. Some of you seem to think that there is some sort of gray area about rape because the girl may have placed herself in a situation that she shouldn't have.

16 women come forward about Arnold groping their breasts yet 60% of California voters vote him into office anyway.

Many fans on this board had no problem continuing to cheer for Kidd after he hit his wife.

Clearly this board reflects the acceptance of these acts by society today. This is absolutely digusting.

I just want to know what the hell is wrong with people. Women clearly don't stand a chance against men with money and fame. And sadly society seems to accept this fact and maybe even embrace it.

As for Kobe?

You think the story is scripted? A woman is raped every 5 minutes in this country and it happens just like that. What? It doesn't have a good enough Tarantino plot twist for you. Give me a freakin break.

You think it's still a "he said, she said" deal or you haven't seen the evidence yet? Boloney people. There is physical freakin evidence. Her vagina was bruised which is consistent with rape. Police found the girl's blood on Kobe's shirt. She was interviewed by a rape counselor, the police and a doctor after it happened. And she told the hotel clerk what happened immediately. This is no longer a girl's word against Kobe's. What, you think some young 19 year old girl concocted this story while producing physical evidence and has been able to get experts to believe it? Amazing.

And this also addresses those who'll wait and see the evidence at the trial. You're probably the same people still holding out hope that OJ catches the real killers. Sheesh.

And for those that think this girl put herself in a situation that she shouldn't have? Wow. There is no gray area with rape. It doesn't matter if she ran into his room naked and said lets get it on. If she says no. That's it. It's done. It's over. If you put your ding-a-ling in the girl after she says no then you go to jail no ifs ands or buts. You are a rapist. Period. End of discusion.

From the amount of sympathy for Kobe on this board I'm beginning to wonder if there are men on this board who forced themselves on women.

Scary to think about.

Between the opinions on this board and that of the media you'd think that Kobe was the one who was raped.

For doing nothing more than reporting a rape this young girl's world has been destroyed in more ways than one. The media is trying to wreck this girl's life. Kobe's defense team is trying to destroy her life. The public that idolizes sports figures is trying to destroy her. Psychos are tyring to kill her.

it's no wonder most women never report a rape. Because this is what they have to go through. Absolutely horrible. It's as if they're getting raped over and over again through out the court system.

Some of you need to stop living in denial and just get down to the facts. And maybe learn to respect women more.

Clearly this message is not intended for the majority on this board. But some of you are clearly living in a world I've never been.

 

[PhiLLmattiC]

I'll admit I'm not looking at this case as objectively as some of you guys are and I don't think I will till its over. Doesn't make me a rapist though. I just really want to see this guy play again. The victim hasn't crossed my mind much and its terrible what she's probably going through but I do hope she's lying. If she's not I'll be the first one to say I was wrong. You'll have to remind me though.

 

[3rdside]

That certainly doesn't make it right.

I never said it was okay to commit adultery - I said it happens so frequently that it's almost expected. The impression i got from reading other posts is that we, as a society, should condemn a man for the rest of his life for commiting adultery. That's BS. You can make a mistake.

Some might say the same thing about war and murder.

So in your mind you can put adulterers in the same category as murderers and war mongers?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

se7en,

Excellent, right-on, post.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by ...tTs*...
That's BS. You can make a mistake.

Adultery is not a "mistake" as much as it is a conscious choice to have sex with someone other than your spouse.

It also says a lot about a man's character. If he'll cheat on the person he's supposed to love the most, what would he do to a business partner, etc?

 

[JJ Slim]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
se7en,

Excellent, right-on, post.

Yes it was.

 

[se7en]

Thanks Brian. We may not like the same basketball team, political party or even share the same religious beliefs. But I believe we share similar standard society accepted moral values to some extent. We certainly know the difference between right and wrong which is more than I can say for some people.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by ...tTs*...



So in your mind you can put adulterers in the same category as murderers and war mongers?

No. You are making adultery into something as common as running to the store for a gallon of milk. And insinuating that it might not be THAT bad of a "crime".

 

[Joe Mama]

Se7en,

I have tried to keep an open mind regarding this case. If I had to bet on it I would probably put my money on the girl. However I would like to see some of that evidence and hear some of the arguments from both sides before I declared him guilty of rape. I resent that not only have you convicted him in your mind, but you are criticizing those of us who would like to see and hear some evidence in court before we join you. I certainly hope you want that narrowminded if you are ever called to serve on a jury.

You are throwing out all of this evidence, but you haven't even heard the defense's arguments for any of it. Did you hear that the detective that interviewed the girl did not see any evidence of bruising or assault? Did you hear that the defense is raising questions about whether the physical evidence is consistent with someone who has had sex with several partners in the previous few days?

I'm not saying he is innocent. I'm not saying he is guilty. I'm just saying I would like to share it all sides of the argument before I convict him.

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

You are making adultery into something as common as running to the store for a gallon of milk.

OMG! I was just thinking of doing that this morning!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Based upon what we know, its not looking good for Kobe.

Her injuries are significant and consistent with sexual assault. We have the victims testimony along with corroborating evidence.

Kobe's defense team is going to have to come up with a reasonable alternative explanation for her injuries, thus raising reasonable doubt about her story.

The only explanations I can see right now are:

1. It was consentual. She wanted sex. She wanted rough sex. She wanted to be injured, and she wanted it in 5 minutes.

2. She was injured prior to the sexual encounter. In this case Kobe thinks to himself. "Shes got bruises all over her arms, face and neck, but she's cute anyway, so I'll do her." Of course, he's so dumb he never would have considered the fact that someone could have accuse HIM of doing it.

3. The injuries occured subsequent to the incident. In this case, the bellman who took her home, along with anyone else that saw her injuries that night is lying.

My guess is that they are going to have to go with the first explanation, which means that they are going to have to paint this girl as a psychopath in court. The danger of that is all or nothing. If you don't convince the jury there is a big chance of backlash. The jury could decide that the defense itself is akin to assault and take it out at sentencing.

I am not trying to cast judgement. I am just looking at the facts as they unfold. I will be very interested to see how Kobe's defense team handles this.

What I want is truth to be revealed and justice to be served.

 

[elindholm]

I thought I heard a report that the alleged victim was simultaneously in sexual relationships with several men. If that's true, it will raise a lot of doubt as to whether Bryant is responsible for her injuries. Once the possibility is established that she was injured by one of her boyfriends before visiting Bryant, the evidence of injury is no longer useful to the prosecution. Then it just comes back to he-said/she-said, which means acquittal.

I'm not trying to establish guilt or innocence either, but I continue to believe that it is extraordinarily unlikely that Bryant will be convicted.

 

[LakeShowMan]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Se7en,

I have tried to keep an open mind regarding this case. If I had to bet on it I would probably put my money on the girl. However I would like to see some of that evidence and hear some of the arguments from both sides before I declared him guilty of rape. I resent that not only have you convicted him in your mind, but you are criticizing those of us who would like to see and hear some evidence in court before we join you. I certainly hope you want that narrowminded if you are ever called to serve on a jury.

You are throwing out all of this evidence, but you haven't even heard the defense's arguments for any of it. Did you hear that the detective that interviewed the girl did not see any evidence of bruising or assault? Did you hear that the defense is raising questions about whether the physical evidence is consistent with someone who has had sex with several partners in the previous few days?

I'm not saying he is innocent. I'm not saying he is guilty. I'm just saying I would like to share it all sides of the argument before I convict him.

Joe Mama

Most level-headed post I have read yet. I have tried to stay out of this discussion, because I knew that if I give my opinion, everyone would feel it is because I am a Laker fan. The fact is, this is just her story. There has been no real evidence brought forth, and the evidence that has, has already been somewhat counteracted. I wish everyone would just let all the evidence come out (not going to happen until the real trial) and then make their decision. Choosing sides this early in the process is ignorant, and unfair to either side.

I have no idea who is telling the truth yet. In my mind I have yet to convict or exonerate Kobe Bean Bryant of the crime of which he is accused. That is the only way anyone should feel, because pre-determining our decision only taints ones ability to be objective.

Slam me if you want, but that is what our country was found on, "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[SirStefan32]

I just heard that she was boasting about his anatomy the day after it happened. She is known for her promiscuity, she is psychologically unstable (two suicide attempts.)

I still think Bryant's attorney will shred her on the witness stand like a piece of paper put through the shredder.

I still mantain that Kobe is innocent, and that the chick is a gold- digger who wants some money, but I don't like how this is going. I don't like the fact that the judge did not require her to be there. I think that the accused has the right to face his accuser, and I hate the way this judge is handling the case.

I hope that justice will be served.

Stefan

 

[jf-08]

I don't know about everyone else here, but I would think that if she was forced, she the bruises would be very prevalent. I haven't been paying much attention to all the reports, so I don't know the extent of the injuries. Also, I would think that Kobe would have bruising too. There would have to have been some fighting.

I don't know, it just seems that raping someone while they are bent over a chair would be awfully difficult.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Se7en,

I have tried to keep an open mind regarding this case. If I had to bet on it I would probably put my money on the girl. However I would like to see some of that evidence and hear some of the arguments from both sides before I declared him guilty of rape. I resent that not only have you convicted him in your mind, but you are criticizing those of us who would like to see and hear some evidence in court before we join you. I certainly hope you want that narrowminded if you are ever called to serve on a jury.

You are throwing out all of this evidence, but you haven't even heard the defense's arguments for any of it. Did you hear that the detective that interviewed the girl did not see any evidence of bruising or assault? Did you hear that the defense is raising questions about whether the physical evidence is consistent with someone who has had sex with several partners in the previous few days?

I'm not saying he is innocent. I'm not saying he is guilty. I'm just saying I would like to share it all sides of the argument before I convict him.

Joe Mama

I couldn't agree more. I know because I am not exactly the first guy runnin to the tree with a rope people assume I am saying he is innocent. I just firmly believe that everone is innocent until proven guilty.

Anyways, eric, yeah in the defense statement Pamela Mackey went straight for the jugular.

"But Mackey stunned everyone during cross examination when she asked Winters whether the cuts could be consistent from a woman having sex with three men in three days."

The judge rushed them into chambers, and the hearing has been continued till next week.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200%7E28541%7E1688407,00.html

 

[3rdside]

No. You are making adultery into something as common as running to the store for a gallon of milk.

yeah of course i am.

What i'm saying is that there are various degrees of adultery - some acts of this 'crime' are downright sinful; others are just mistakes. You simply can't categorise adultery into an easily definable black or white argument - human relationships are far too complicated for this. In fact you can't describe most things in a black or white manner. If you could, there'd be no need for the law - that is what lawyers do, they debate the grey areas.

I just can't believe how righteous some views are - seriously how can you not see that adultery can be a mistake? Marriage is a fine institution but where, amongst all its vows, does it have the power to control human feelings and emotions? It can't - as much as it's a contract between a man and a woman, a man can never truly control a woman and a woman can never truly control a man. Individuals are free spirits; free spirits with emotions and feelings that can't always be controlled no matter how hard one might try to suppress them. Throw in some alcohol and event he sternest man's judgement will be impaired. The way some here would judge an 'adulterer' sounds like they themselves have never sinned before.

Really good post by the way joe.

 

[BC867]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
I still mantain that Kobe is innocent, and that the chick is a gold-digger who wants some money.

Whether Kobe is guilty of rape or not is up in the air.

At the least, he's a professional who didn't realize, or care, that she might be "a gold-digger who wants some money".

I know he's not the first, but it's still irresponsible behavior. He's guilty of something.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by ...tTs*...
yeah of course i am.

What i'm saying is that there are various degrees of adultery - some acts of this 'crime' are downright sinful; others are just mistakes. You simply can't categorise adultery into an easily definable black or white argument - human relationships are far too complicated for this. In fact you can't describe most things in a black or white manner. If you could, there'd be no need for the law - that is what lawyers do, they debate the grey areas.

I just can't believe how righteous some views are - seriously how can you not see that adultery can be a mistake? Marriage is a fine institution but where, amongst all its vows, does it have the power to control human feelings and emotions? It can't - as much as it's a contract between a man and a woman, a man can never truly control a woman and a woman can never truly control a man. Individuals are free spirits; free spirits with emotions and feelings that can't always be controlled no matter how hard one might try to suppress them. Throw in some alcohol and event he sternest man's judgement will be impaired. The way some here would judge an 'adulterer' sounds like they themselves have never sinned before.

Adultery is adultery is adultery.

Enough with the excuses. It's never simply a "mistake."

If you do not think you can resist another person sexually, do not get married. Stay single and live your casual lifestyle...that's your choice. When you're ready to give yourself completely to one person and trust in them and respect them, then get married.

If you do get married and absolutely cannot resist someone else, get divorced. You're obviously not that committed to your spouse in that situation anyway.

Adultery is a conscious choice. A person doesn't temporarily forget that they're married, etc. It's all about self-gratification.

I can't speak for everyone that is very extreme on this subject, but I can say that I am coming down hard against Kobe for his adultery in part because that it is something I have never done and will never do. That's where I'm coming from in this debate. I am not perfect, but I have never cheated on my wife, or anyone I dated before I was married. If I had, it would be hypocritical of me to be so vocally against it...

If you honestly are able to explain it away as "a mistake" then you definitely do not think much of marriage in general. What a joke...

 

[sly fly]

First time I've chimed in about his, but I'm tending to lean towards the thinkings of Joe Mama/jkf296.

First of all, Kobe has the best defense team money can buy. They are going to absolutely rip apart the DA. In fact, that has already begun. No discernable bruising on her neck. Even the attending police officer had trouble finding "bruising". Kobe's lawyers are circling like sharks, waiting for ONE minor screw-up from the prosecutor's office. Given the amount of time between now and the trial... it's a good bet that will happen.

Secondly, I'm still shocked that KOBE FRIGGIN BRYANT would put himself in this situation. If, by, an O.J.'s chance-in-hell that he's convicted... this could be his last NBA season. He'll be the best prison ball player since Rick Fox in "Oz".

Bent over a chair? Sheesh, at least buy the girl some flowers beforehand. Classy guy.

 

[Chaz]

I don't know if Kobe is guilty of the charges or not. I don't know what kind of person Kobe is, I never did or I thought I did.

I guess the suprise for me is, I thought Kobe was a fairly smart guy.
Listening to the story of the alleged attack the other day I couldn't help but think:
WHAT A *******!

Best case at this point, he is a complete moron. To even put yourself in that situation verifies his stupidity.