Kolb Deal done - Including Contract

[kerouac9]

Well, I think Philly dealt Kolb less because they didn't believe in him and more because they thought they could get a lot in return for a position they have already addressed. Having Kolb and Vick on a single roster is an exceptional situation that we won't see again for a while.

Brady and Cassel?
Garrard and Gabbert?
Bledsoe and Brady?
Orton and Tebow?
Vick and Schaub?
Favre and Rodgers?
Brees and Rivers?
Warner and E. Manning?

Let's be real about this.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, I think Philly dealt Kolb less because they didn't believe in him and more because they thought they could get a lot in return for a position they have already addressed. Having Kolb and Vick on a single roster is an exceptional situation that we won't see again for a while.

There are probably a lot of newer examples, but I thought the Cowboys had it made when they had Danny White backing up Roger Staubach.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Brady and Cassel?
Garrard and Gabbert?
Bledsoe and Brady?
Orton and Tebow?
Vick and Schaub?
Favre and Rodgers?
Brees and Rivers?
Warner and E. Manning?

Let's be real about this.

let's be real about this... Every one of those guys was either jettisoned or traded once the starter was established... just like what happened in Philly.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

he was not "benched".. If Tom Brady gets hurt and the Huarde does awesome.. guess what Tom Brady, going to get his job back...

Vick played out of his damn mind, at an MVP level, he was going to get his job back REGARDLESS of what Kolb did period...

If Kolb played like a real franchise QB, Vick would've taken a back seat and ran the wildcat offense, as he did the year before. The eagles invested their season in Kolb, and if they didnt have Vick, the season would've been an utter failure most likely. All im saying is, if the Eagles knew he could be successful, they wouldnt have traded him. No team trades a known franchise QB period...

 

[conraddobler]

I love this trade, the odds are there are really only two outcomes to this, both are good.

He comes here and is a stud, we win, life is good.

He comes here and stinks, providing a precious final nail to end the Rod Graves era.

Only something goofy could screw this up now.

Cue the goofy factory to begin producing an amazingly improbable outcome here.

He gets kidnapped, a new lockout breaks out for 5 or 6 years, the magnetic poles reverse and save Rod's job even though we're terrible, you know usual stuff for Cardinal fans.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Brady and [I]Cassel[/I]?
Garrard and Gabbert?
Bledsoe and Brady?
Orton and Tebow?
Vick and Schaub?
Favre and Rodgers?
Brees and Rivers?
Warner and E. Manning?

Let's be real about this.

...and all the Bold moved on, or in Orton's case, is about to.

 

[kerouac9]

let's be real about this... Every one of those guys was either jettisoned or traded once the starter was established... just like what happened in Philly.

I'm not speaking to the fact of what happened; I'm saying that there's nothing unusual about the circumstance Philly found itself in. This kind of thing happens all the time and the QB on the outs usually gets picked up for FAR less than we gave up for Kolb.

 

[daves]

in essence we got the QB we wanted and Patrick Peterson (who could well be the best player in the draft) for DRC and a 2012 #2. That's some good maneuvering on the Cardinals' part!

... and a 2011 #1. So if you consider a rookie PP roughly equivalent to an inconsistent DRC, the net is a #1 AND a #2 for KK. And it sounds as though Orton could've been had for a #3. Ugh.

...dave

 

[joeshmo]

Fitz Brother just tweeted about it and loves it. And when Fitz brother talks about the Cards it usually means is is Fitz brother is being a mouthpiece for Fitz. So it is safe to assume Fitz loves it.

 

[chickenhead]

Brady and Cassel?
Garrard and Gabbert?
Bledsoe and Brady?
Orton and Tebow?
Vick and Schaub?
Favre and Rodgers?
Brees and Rivers?
Warner and E. Manning?

Let's be real about this.

From the top of my head:

Bledsoe: to BUF
Orton: TK
Schaub: to HOU
Favre: to NYJ/MIN
Brees: to NO
Warner: to AZ
Gabbert was just drafted.

My point was more that the team that has both does not keep both in the salary cap era. The Eagles were only able to sign Vick in the first place because of circumstances that drove a lot of their competition away.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

If Kolb played like a real franchise QB, Vick would've taken a back seat and ran the wildcat offense, as he did the year before. The eagles invested their season in Kolb, and if they didnt have Vick, the season would've been an utter failure most likely. All im saying is, if the Eagles knew he could be successful, they wouldnt have traded him. No team trades a known franchise QB period...

They jettisoned D McNabb witht he full understanding that they were turing the reigns over to Kolb.

I am not suggesting he is a world beater, but I think he can be a good to very good QB and in the NFC West that might just win you the division.

 

[SECTION 11]

Have we already covered that Kolb looks just like Lt. Dan?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Have we already covered that Kolb looks just like Lt. Dan?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Have we already covered that Kolb looks just like Lt. Dan?

Prob wont take him long to wind up in a wheelchair either

 

[English on tour]

Not happy with what we gave up...but Kolb now gets my 100% support

Arise King Kolb

 

[kerouac9]

Just curious, is this just your opinion or do you have reasons that DRC would be a good fit in the new system..

Because the bottom line is Horten has said the defense we will be running with be blitz predicated and often leave the two CBs on an island as the last line of defense...

What was DRCs two biggest weaknesses?

1. Can't tackle,

2.concerned way more about the occasional INT than actually defending and keeping the play in front of him...

Unless he completly changed his game and attiude it very well could have be disasteres, and DRC is a good player and in certain schemes he is a vauable asset, but not in the system we will be running...

I don't see a scerenio where it could have worked...

Do you?

That's exactly the scenario where DRC would excel. In man coverage on an island. Where he sucked was in off man coverage where he was expected to diagnose passing lanes in three-deep looks. Combine that with the general hopelessness of the team whenever the opposition got up by more than 7 points and I'm not sure that you can gauge anything on anyone's play in 2010 except that the linebackers were terrible.

DRC was part of the solution, not part of the problem. We just jettisoned one of the four best players on our team, along with a high draft pick. Kolb better be one of the top 12 quarterbacks in the NFL this year just justify that deal.

Rookies havent "done anything in this league" either. And we'd be staring at grabbing one if we didnt go after Kolb. You have to take this chance in order to get a QB. I think you might be romanticizing the QB play last year; it was god awful. I like the chance they took to get better. And make no mistake, QB play will determine their wins and losses, not a CB. Regardless of good everyone thinks he is.

The Cassel comparison is bunk. Cassel, well, sucks. He was proven that he isnt very good. One 'system' year in NE and he has been terrible in KC.

Fact is if he does well and leads the Cards to the playoffs no one will remember what it took to get him. If he sucks then it wont matter what they gave up. He just sucks!

If we didn't go after Kolb we'd have Hasselbeck (or his moral equivalent), Skelton with another year under his belt, and maybe a rookie first round QB who hasn't proven anything in the NFL, and one of the top 12 corners in football. We go after Kolb, and we don't have a top cornerback, and we still have a QB who hasn't proven anything in the NFL, for twice the price of a high first round QB, minus a second-round pick in 2012.

No one is romanticizing QB play last year. My POV all along has been that with even average QB play, this is probably a 7 to 9 win team. Do you need to give up a near-elite player at a premium position in the NFL (cornerback is right alongside left tackle at premium positions, behind quarterback and pass rusher)? If Kolb doesn't play like Warner, and we're losing games 35-24 instead of 42-7, is that all it takes to make this trade a success for you?

So this is a win-win scenario for the Cards? If Kolb sucks then nothing ventured, nothing gained, but if he's average then... what?

I guess it was Matt Cassel's crappiness that had him passing for 3100 yards with 27 TDs and 7 INTs in 2010. That 93.3 QB rating was craptacular.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

ESPN POLL: Who received better deal, Cards or Eagles;nationally 80% chose eagles. 60% of ppl in Arizona chose the eagles as well. Lets hope theyre wrong...

 

[conraddobler]

Have we already covered that Kolb looks just like Lt. Dan?

Figures we'd get him, Forrest was the better player.

 

[john h]

With Kolb, we win the West this year.*


* Along with a few more personnel changes that make the Cardinals better before the season starts.

I doubt we win anything this year. Kolb, even if he is good is only one player and he has player very few games in the NFL. I think we way overpaid and took to much of a gamble. He will be Cardinal tomorrow so he has my full support but he will have it only as long as he shows he is worth it. Ever who made this deal should be on notice that if this deal does not work out he or they will live in infamy for ever in Cardinal lore. I think the winners here are the Eagles. They have got a proven DB who has shown he can play at a high level and will have a 2nd rd pick next year which IMHO will be high.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

From Fitz's brother Marcus on twitter:

"W/ AZ getting Kolb Larry might go for 1500 & 15 tds this year watch what I tell u. AZ addressed the O-line & landed Kolb? 'Applauds'."

From your lips to God's ear, Marcus.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I doubt we win anything this year. Kolb, even if he is good is only one player and he has player very few games in the NFL. I think we way overpaid and took to much of a gamble. He will be Cardinal tomorrow so he has my full support but he will have it only as long as he shows he is worth it. Ever who made this deal should be on notice that if this deal does not work out he or they will live in infamy for ever in Cardinal lore. I think the winners here are the Eagles. They have got a proven DB who has shown he can play at a high level and will have a 2nd rd pick next year which IMHO will be high.

We were 2 games out of winning the division with the absolute QB Poo Poo platter last year.

8-8 can win this crappy division.

 

[chickenhead]

I'm okay with it, but there is no way the Eagles cannot be considered the winner of this trade (today) given that they are trading their backup QB for a starting CB and a high pick. This was a trade between a team with an almost unbearable need and one with abundance of that need.

Even if Kolb is great in Arizona, the only way the Cards would look like they truly won the trade is if DRC and Vick are so bad that it looks like it should have been obvious in retrospect. Very doubtful.

 

[ARodg]

From Fitz's brother Marcus on twitter:

"W/ AZ getting Kolb Larry might go for 1500 & 15 tds this year watch what I tell u. AZ addressed the O-line & landed Kolb? 'Applauds'."

From your lips to God's ear, Marcus.

I get the impression Marcus might not be the sharpest tool in the drawer.

 

[Mulli]

I get the impression Marcus might not be the sharpest tool in the drawer.

Irony!

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I doubt we win anything this year. Kolb, even if he is good is only one player and he has player very few games in the NFL. I think we way overpaid and took to much of a gamble. He will be Cardinal tomorrow so he has my full support but he will have it only as long as he shows he is worth it. Ever who made this deal should be on notice that if this deal does not work out he or they will live in infamy for ever in Cardinal lore. I think the winners here are the Eagles. They have got a proven DB who has shown he can play at a high level and will have a 2nd rd pick next year which IMHO will be high.

Which becomes a debate. If we do fail horribly, which is certainly possible. Do we go after Andrew Luck in next years draft?