Kolb Deal done - Including Contract

[kerouac9]

lets just say kolb fails to lead us to the playoff's this year, do you guys think whiz will be fired for trading away a potential future hof corner in drc?

Whis gets this year and half of next to turn it around. If Kolb is only average and DRC is on his way to his third Pro Bowl in 2012, Whis is likely looking for a job and he goes down as another bad head coach who lead a predecessor's roster and QB to one Super Bowl appearance and then couldn't hold it together.

Basically, he'll be remembered as Bill Callahan.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Because he was having a career MVP type year.

Indeed, but with the way Vick plays, he 'will' get injured at some point or another. So that tells me the eagles have no faith in Kolb to lead the team when Vick does get injured.

 

[ARodg]

All hail a real QB. King Kolb.

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[Shane]

Cards are already getting killed out here in LA on the radio. MAX KELLERMAN was laughing statin Philly straight robbed the team.

And I'm sure your soaking it all up.

 

[JeffGollin]

Let's hope the Cardinals go all out for another CB that can fill DRC's role.

Toler and Peterson have the chops at both corners though both are very young.

Ditto AJ Jefferson (even more raw but has plenty to work with).

All three are more physical than DRC was. Burden falls on the shoulders of the coaching staff to develop these guys quickly.

 

[Mitch]

No matter what the Cardinals do, they are going to get ridiculed by certain media and thousands of out of town fans. We are enured to it by now, I hope.

Adam Schefter now picks the Cardinals to win the NFC West.

So there is a flip side.

I applaud the Cardinals for their conviction.

They certainly could have taken some easier and less expensive routes.

But Kolb was their guy all along and they got him and they just paved the road that will allow #11 to be a Cardinal for life.

 

[spanky1]

Look at it this way too---the Cardinals didn't use the #5 pick on a younger QB...nor did they surrender it to get Kolb. So, in essence we got the QB we wanted and Patrick Peterson (who could well be the best player in the draft) for DRC and a 2012 #2. That's some good maneuvering on the Cardinals' part!

Mitch,

I agree....all of a sudden, we are looking somewhat stable at the QB position

 

[Mulli]

No matter what the Cardinals do, they are going to get ridiculed by certain media and thousands of out of town fans. We are enured to it by now, I hope.

Adam Schefter now picks the Cardinals to win the NFC West.

So there is a flip side.

I applaud the Cardinals for their conviction.

They certainly could have taken some easier and less expensive routes.

But Kolb was their guy all along and they got him and they just paved the road that will allow #11 to be a Cardinal for life.

 

[D-Dogg]

You just pulled that number out of your ass. Kolb hasn't averaged a QB rating of 100 in his starts. Not even close.

My bad - that number came from Ron Wolfley. I just calculated those 6 starts and it was 85.28 passer rating.

 

[wa52lz]

I think this was a real driver in the trade. I'm thinking the Cardinals thought it would be better to trade him than let him walk.

I think this was the worst part about giving up DRC, he was going to make about $2 mil over the next 2 years we had him for nothing, we already paid him $14mil. We could have then franchised him in 2013 for 9-10 mil and had him 3yrs 12 mil, what a deal that would've been, plenty of time for PP to develop

 

[AsUdUdE]

Rodgers was never benched, and Rodgers was never shopped around at any time. Obviously the eagles saw something in Kolb that wasn't similar to that of an actual franchise QB. For someone with 3 career wins, its a huge price to pay.

The Eagles had a unique situation, because they did indeed give McNabb away and turned over the keys of the Franchise to lead them...

Vick just played at an MVP level, and therefore the Eagles had to make a descision whether to let vick walk for nothing or trade Kolb for something and roll with Vick...

The went plan B, but it is unfair to say Rodgers was always seen as the golden child and Kolb wasn't. They have had the exact same career to start, and the only difference is Michael Vick played out of his mind and gave them the ability to trade...

 

[moklerman]

I don't think it's unfair to criticize the move at this point. The Cardinals paid a lot to get a guy who hasn't even started a season's worth of games. One who's coming from a system that doesn't seem to resemble in any way what the Cardinals have been doing. And they seem to be catering to Fitz, which as good as he is, isn't a particularly good idea in general.

It isn't necessarily the choice at QB, it is the apparent corner they painted themselves into and ultimately high price they had to pay just to get the guy.

As everyone is saying, it's steep for the Cardinals but now it's time to hope it works out.

 

[Mainstreet]

Toler and Peterson have the chops at both corners though both are very young.

Ditto AJ Jefferson (even more raw but has plenty to work with).

All three are more physical than DRC was. Burden falls on the shoulders of the coaching staff to develop these guys quickly.

I'm just coming from the position that CB was going to be the strength of the team. I don't want to give it up. IMO, never can have too many CBs.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Kolb was injured, Vick came in, Vick got injured, Kolb came back, and Kolb was inevitably benched for vick.

he was not "benched".. If Tom Brady gets hurt and the Huarde does awesome.. guess what Tom Brady, going to get his job back...

Vick played out of his damn mind, at an MVP level, he was going to get his job back REGARDLESS of what Kolb did period...

 

[moklerman]

Mitch,

I agree....all of a sudden, we are looking somewhat stable at the QB position

What do you mean by stable?

If you mean that there is an unquestioned starter and the musical chairs approach by Whis will finally end, then I agree.

If you're talking about anything performance related with Kolb, I think that's premature.

I wonder, does Kolb have to compete for his job?

 

[Mainstreet]

I think this was the worst part about giving up DRC, he was going to make about $2 mil over the next 2 years we had him for nothing, we already paid him $14mil. We could have then franchised him in 2013 for 9-10 mil and had him 3yrs 12 mil, what a deal that would've been, plenty of time for PP to develop

Maybe so.

However, I don't think the Cardinals were in love with DRC or they never would have offered him in a trade.

 

[desertdawg]

Per Caplan and Clayton.

DRC and a 2nd rounder

Contract - 5 year extension, 22 mill gauranteed, 63 mill total. Because it is an extension and not a brand new deal it is in fact a total of 6 year deal. Averages to about 10 mill per year.

Good stuff, on lunchbreak right now and I can go back happy!

 

[oaken1]

we looked stable when we had Leinart behind Warner......Skelton behind Kold does not look that stable at this point......it may be, and at least there is some hope for it....but it is far from looking "stable".

 

[kerouac9]

BTW--Cards DID get jobber on the trade. It was stupid to give up that much for a guy who has done nothing in this league. This garbage about DRC not fitting the system or being a bad guy or whatever are lame justifications. Two second round picks would've been plenty for Kolb. We gave up more for Kolb than the Chiefs gave up for Cassel. Kolb better end up pretty good.

But the Cards seemed to have done a good job on the contract. I think that Bert is talking over his head about accelerators and incentives. It's possible that the first two years of the contract are guaranteed, and after that he's just under contract. Incentives like he's talking about are exceedingly rare in veteran contracts.

 

[desertdawg]

we looked stable when we had Leinart behind Warner......Skelton behind Kold does not look that stable at this point......it may be, and at least there is some hope for it....but it is far from looking "stable".

That "stable" had a HOFer and a jackass, our new "stable" has youth and I don't know anymore but I like it.

 

[Mainstreet]

we looked stable when we had Leinart behind Warner......Skelton behind Kold does not look that stable at this point......it may be, and at least there is some hope for it....but it is far from looking "stable".

I'm really high on Skelton but I understand the Cardinals and particularly Whiz could not wait. It would not surprise me at some point in time he does not surpass Kolb and be the QBOTF.

 

[jmt]

Good news!

 

[chickenhead]

Well, I think Philly dealt Kolb less because they didn't believe in him and more because they thought they could get a lot in return for a position they have already addressed. Having Kolb and Vick on a single roster is an exceptional situation that we won't see again for a while.

 

[AsUdUdE]

BTW--Cards DID get jobber on the trade. It was stupid to give up that much for a guy who has done nothing in this league. This garbage about DRC not fitting the system or being a bad guy or whatever are lame justifications. Two second round picks would've been plenty for Kolb. We gave up more for Kolb than the Chiefs gave up for Cassel. Kolb better end up pretty good.

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Just curious, is this just your opinion or do you have reasons that DRC would be a good fit in the new system..

Because the bottom line is Horten has said the defense we will be running with be blitz predicated and often leave the two CBs on an island as the last line of defense...

What was DRCs two biggest weaknesses?

1. Can't tackle,

2.concerned way more about the occasional INT than actually defending and keeping the play in front of him...

Unless he completly changed his game and attiude it very well could have be disasteres, and DRC is a good player and in certain schemes he is a vauable asset, but not in the system we will be running...

I don't see a scerenio where it could have worked...

Do you?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

BTW--Cards DID get jobber on the trade. It was stupid to give up that much for a guy who has done nothing in this league. This garbage about DRC not fitting the system or being a bad guy or whatever are lame justifications. Two second round picks would've been plenty for Kolb. We gave up more for Kolb than the Chiefs gave up for Cassel. Kolb better end up pretty good.

But the Cards seemed to have done a good job on the contract. I think that Bert is talking over his head about accelerators and incentives. It's possible that the first two years of the contract are guaranteed, and after that he's just under contract. Incentives like he's talking about are exceedingly rare in veteran contracts.

Rookies havent "done anything in this league" either. And we'd be staring at grabbing one if we didnt go after Kolb. You have to take this chance in order to get a QB. I think you might be romanticizing the QB play last year; it was god awful. I like the chance they took to get better. And make no mistake, QB play will determine their wins and losses, not a CB. Regardless of good everyone thinks he is.

The Cassel comparison is bunk. Cassel, well, sucks. He was proven that he isnt very good. One 'system' year in NE and he has been terrible in KC.

Fact is if he does well and leads the Cards to the playoffs no one will remember what it took to get him. If he sucks then it wont matter what they gave up. He just sucks!