Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[602 Native]

No. You started talking about drafted QBs. As if that means anything.

You can easily be the best QB we ever drafted and the 20th best QB in the league.

Yeah but hes not 20th hes in the top 10.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, you can't use averages to measure consistency. You get a 7.1 YPA by having games with 9 and games with 5.

Compare Rams stats with Lions stats for example.

Also, 7.1 YPA is good enough for 20th in the NFL this season. It's basically proving your point.

Kyler's QBR is high because we've had a lot of tight games where he's come to life. He's on pace for less than 3,500 passing yards -- if he's healthy for 17 games. I can't believe he's going to make me sweat out this Over 3385.5 passing yards bet I made.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah but hes not 20th hes in the top 10.

Not in these categories:

Completions (12)
Attempts (14)
Completion % (12)
Yards (17)
TDs (12)
First Downs Passing (16)
Longest completed pass (17)
Yards per attempt (20)
Adjusted YPA (15)
Yards per completion (21) OOF!
Yards per game (22)
Passer rating (11)
Net Yards per attempt (15)
Adjusted Net Yards per attempt (12)
Intended Air Yards (14)
Intended Air Yards per attempt (14)
Completed Air Yards (11)
Completed Air Yards per Completion (11)
Completed Air Yards per attempt (12)
Passing Yards After Catch (22)
Passing Yards After Catch per Completion (28!!! Lower than Jacoby Brissett! 0.2 YAC/C more than Deshaun Watson!)

BUT IF YOU DON'T COUNT ALL THOSE DEFINITELY TOP 10

 

[602 Native]

Not in these categories:

Completions (12)
Attempts (14)
Completion % (12)
Yards (17)
TDs (12)
First Downs Passing (16)
Longest completed pass (17)
Yards per attempt (20)
Adjusted YPA (15)
Yards per completion (21) OOF!
Yards per game (22)
Passer rating (11)
Net Yards per attempt (15)
Adjusted Net Yards per attempt (12)
Intended Air Yards (14)
Intended Air Yards per attempt (14)
Completed Air Yards (11)
Completed Air Yards per Completion (11)
Completed Air Yards per attempt (12)
Passing Yards After Catch (22)
Passing Yards After Catch per Completion (28!!! Lower than Jacoby Brissett! 0.2 YAC/C more than Deshaun Watson!)

BUT IF YOU DON'T COUNT ALL THOSE DEFINITELY TOP 10

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[SoonerLou]

Absolutely Shifty

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The one thing I hope Kyler adds to his game/athleticism is to know when to use deceleration.

He's got the best acceleration in the league at QB, but there are times he avoids sacks and keeps running instead of slowing down to toss a pass to an open man.

He actually did it once vs Miami with a pass to MHJ. Unfortunately it picked up a penalty. However, when Im watching Lamar/Mahomes/Allen they do that quite often. 5 yard run can be a 20 yard pass if he can slow it down and look up just a notch.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

There is a stat for every argument. I had him in the 12-14 range before last week and I like him around 11 now. Next 5 games are ripe with pitfalls.

Chicago
Jets
Seahawks
Vikings
Seahawks

If he goes 3-2 in that stretch I will firmly plant him in the top 10.

 

[kerouac9]

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Jirah’s 1k followers very impressed by this

 

[kerouac9]

There is a stat for every argument. I had him in the 12-14 range before last week and I like him around 11 now. Next 5 games are ripe with pitfalls.

Chicago
Jets
Seahawks
Vikings
Seahawks

If he goes 3-2 in that stretch I will firmly plant him in the top 10.

LOL. I posted literally every stat on PFR where he wasn’t top 10. The only one is QBR.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

LOL. I posted literally every stat on PFR where he wasn’t top 10. The only one is QBR.

I understand. I didn't say he was top 10 yet.

 

[Cheesebeef]

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damn! pretty tough to argue against some rando with 1000 followers, who points to one stat to make your case.

game. set. match.

kudos!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jirah’s 1k followers very impressed by this

hey dude... that's JirEh. Better put some respect on that name!

 

[MrYeahBut]

Yeah but hes not 20th hes in the top 10.

Just so you know, I generally fine people for using my screen name without prior approval...

 

[602 Native]

Just so you know, I generally fine people for using my screen name without prior approval...

How do I apply for a variance?

 

[MrYeahBut]

How do I apply for a variance?

Talk to my attorney.. Better Call Saul..

lololol

 

[SoonerLou]

I understand. I didn't say he was top 10 yet.

FWIW PFF has Kyler 7th in overall QB grades and 8th in passing grades.

But again the low volume in Petzing's offense is hard to tell if it's boosting Kyler's efficiency or not.

K9s stats are fair. Although I'd be curious how early Seattle Russ overall rankings were back in the day cause this seems like that kinda offense (outside the Dolphins game).
Edit: I know Russ Russ had a really good passer rating, but curious on the other passing stats.

 

[kerouac9]

FWIW PFF has Kyler 7th in overall QB grades and 8th in passing grades.

But again the low volume in Petzing's offense is hard to tell if it's boosting Kyler's efficiency or not.

K9s stats are fair. Although I'd be curious how early Seattle Russ overall rankings were back in the day cause this seems like that kinda offense (outside the Dolphins game).
Edit: I know Russ Russ had a really good passer rating, but curious on the other passing stats.

“Early Russ”?! This is Kyler’s sixth season bruh.

 

[SoonerLou]

“Early Russ”?! This is Kyler’s sixth season bruh.

You skipped the part about "the type of offense"?