Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[D-Dogg]

Same ol same ol...if everything isn't absolutely perfect, he just doesn't look that good.

While I think you have a point, I'm specifically seeing something in his legs not being there. Not sure if it's physical or mental, but the wheels aren't wheeling.

 

[kerouac9]

Does anyone else think Kylers nursing a leg injury? I remember he came off limping a few weeks ago and I think it's either nagging him or it's in his head. His wheels don't look the same recently, and he's giving up runs instead of bursting. Something looks different pre and post bye week.

More nonsense. Hasn’t even appeared on the injury report. No need to make stuff up.

 

[D-Dogg]

More nonsense. Hasn’t even appeared on the injury report. No need to make stuff up.

That's why I think it's in his head. Doesn't trust his legs. Can't tell me you don't see it.

 

[TJ]

The DA comparison people don't realize they are on the same island as the Allen comparison people.

It’s kinda sad that there are people who are completely content with Kyler’s level of play. As a fan, you ought to be demanding more out of your $50mil/year QB than pedestrian numbers and a bad TD/INT ratio. He should not be getting outplayed by Sam Darnold, Geno Smith x 2, and other forgettable players

 

[MrYeahBut]

The Cards have no 2 min offense

 

[kerouac9]

The Cards have no 2 min offense

It's been a problem for a while now. I expect this to be a point of emphasis thiscoming preseason.

 

[HairZach]

Geno and Purdy aren’t better than K1.

They do have vastly superior wr talent comparatively which makes them look good.

Who needs a chart I watched the game?

K1 was good today and would have been great if Marv would man up.

Geno and Purdy have been a lot better than Kyler, no analyst who seriously covers the NFC West would disagree with that either. There isnt a single passing metric where you could argue to the contrary. They're both smarter players who are better than Kyler at pushing the ball downfield. Kyler is a checkdown merchant who sometimes scrambles.

 

[nashman]

Nobody here is a fan of DA. We're just objective enough to know that DA has shown out in the playoffs, and Kyler literally shat himself in his one appearance in 6 full seasons.

He hasn’t played 6 full seasons… but go on…

 

[Redsz]

That's why I think it's in his head. Doesn't trust his legs. Can't tell me you don't see it.

I see it too. Looks very tentative compared to earlier in the season.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He hasn’t played 6 full seasons… but go on…

If Kyler leads the Cards to the playoffs, I'll be more than glad to amend my statement.

 

[602 Native]

The Cards have no 2 min offense

This is also true from yesterday and earlier in the season.

 

[slanidrac16]

We beat the mighty 3-11 Patriots at home. Yay.

Now Tell me about the last three games that were far more important in the grand scheme of things/

I can tell you what he’ll say. None of it is Kyler’s fault. Done.

 

[nashman]

If Kyler leads the Cards to the playoffs, I'll be more than glad to amend my statement.

Meant more of he hasn’t had 6 season due to injury, not to mention being saddled with a totally unqualified HC for the first 4 years of his career. Now stuck with an OC stuck in the past, it’s actually hilarious people think other QBs would miraculously succeed in his position…

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Meant more of he hasn’t had 6 season due to injury, not to mention being saddled with a totally unqualified HC for the first 4 years of his career. Now stuck with an OC stuck in the past, it’s actually hilarious people think other QBs would miraculously succeed in his position…

My dude, it's not hard to make the playoffs in the NFL. Nearly half the league makes it. One playoff appearance (where he was absolutely godawful) in 6 seasons is pathetic for a former #1 pick.

 

[slanidrac16]

Meant more of he hasn’t had 6 season due to injury, not to mention being saddled with a totally unqualified HC for the first 4 years of his career. Now stuck with an OC stuck in the past, it’s actually hilarious people think other QBs would miraculously succeed in his position…

Maybe not. But there are many that wouldn’t throw that stupid pass that he did…and others.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Meant more of he hasn’t had 6 season due to injury, not to mention being saddled with a totally unqualified HC for the first 4 years of his career. Now stuck with an OC stuck in the past, it’s actually hilarious people think other QBs would miraculously succeed in his position…

Poor poor Kyler. Never his fault at all.

 

[602 Native]

My dude, it's not hard to make the playoffs in the NFL. Nearly half the league makes it. One playoff appearance (where he was absolutely godawful) in 6 seasons is pathetic for a former #1 pick.

No one tell him we have only made the playoffs 6 times in almost 40 years.

 

[nashman]

My dude, it's not hard to make the playoffs in the NFL. Nearly half the league makes it. One playoff appearance (where he was absolutely godawful) in 6 seasons is pathetic for a former #1 pick.

lol did you just start watching the cardinals? They have been a pathetic franchise for decades… He did make the playoffs with a coach who had NO business being an NFL coach literally on his back, yes they got whooped by the Rams who won the superbowl and have owned the Cards under that HC. Again expecting the QB to overcome all of the franchises shortcomings and win despite all of them is completely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous. This is his first full season under Gannon who seems to be a decent coach and motivator but the OC is beyond awful and we still lack offensive talent. Which one of our WRs would even start on a good team? Honestly? Watch other games and look how open WRs get and ask yourself why dont ours ever get that damn open? Kyler makes some boneheaded mistakes sure, so would many QBs trying to make things happen. But the organization has put him in the position to try and carry a team in his back for too long and not supplied quality weapons and coaching period.

 

[nashman]

Maybe not. But there are many that wouldn’t throw that stupid pass that he did…and others.

Yet see them every week all QBs throw some ******** passes it’s a product of pressure and quick decision making, Jesus people act like they have never seen dumb interceptions lol…

 

[ASUCHRIS]

No one tell him we have only made the playoffs 6 times in almost 40 years.

If you're trying to tell me that the Cardinals are a garbage franchise, you're a little late to the game. Just because the Cardinals are a garbage franchise doesn't mean that Kyler isn't also a middling QB. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

lol did you just start watching the cardinals? They have been a pathetic franchise for decades… He did make the playoffs with a coach who had NO business being an NFL coach literally on his back, yes they got whooped by the Rams who won the superbowl and have owned the Cards under that HC. Again expecting the QB to overcome all of the franchises shortcomings and win despite all of them is completely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous. This is his first full season under Gannon who seems to be a decent coach and motivator but the OC is beyond awful and we still lack offensive talent. Which one of our WRs would even start on a good team? Honestly? Watch other games and look how open WRs get and ask yourself why dont ours ever get that damn open? Kyler makes some boneheaded mistakes sure, so would many QBs trying to make things happen. But the organization has put him in the position to try and carry a team in his back for too long and not supplied quality weapons and coaching period.

It's never Kyler's fault, gotcha.

 

[nashman]

Poor poor Kyler. Never his fault at all.

Yeah that’s what I said… some of you really need to work on your reading comprehension. Seriously ignorant…

 

[slanidrac16]

lol did you just start watching the cardinals? They have been a pathetic franchise for decades… He did make the playoffs with a coach who had NO business being an NFL coach literally on his back, yes they got whooped by the Rams who won the superbowl and have owned the Cards under that HC. Again expecting the QB to overcome all of the franchises shortcomings and win despite all of them is completely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous. This is his first full season under Gannon who seems to be a decent coach and motivator but the OC is beyond awful and we still lack offensive talent. Which one of our WRs would even start on a good team? Honestly? Watch other games and look how open WRs get and ask yourself why dont ours ever get that damn open? Kyler makes some boneheaded mistakes sure, so would many QBs trying to make things happen. But the organization has put him in the position to try and carry a team in his back for too long and not supplied quality weapons and coaching period.

Receivers. Last year poor Kyler receiving corps was too small. Now poor Kyler’s receivers are big but not fast enough. Kingsbury screwed up Kyler ( although Daniels seems to be doing fine). Poor Kyler has no running game, but we do now.
Geezus man, it’s not all Kyler’s fault but let’s not make him faultless.

 

[602 Native]

lol did you just start watching the cardinals? They have been a pathetic franchise for decades… He did make the playoffs with a coach who had NO business being an NFL coach literally on his back, yes they got whooped by the Rams who won the superbowl and have owned the Cards under that HC. Again expecting the QB to overcome all of the franchises shortcomings and win despite all of them is completely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous. This is his first full season under Gannon who seems to be a decent coach and motivator but the OC is beyond awful and we still lack offensive talent. Which one of our WRs would even start on a good team? Honestly? Watch other games and look how open WRs get and ask yourself why dont ours ever get that damn open? Kyler makes some boneheaded mistakes sure, so would many QBs trying to make things happen. But the organization has put him in the position to try and carry a team in his back for too long and not supplied quality weapons and coaching period.

My man bringing heat.

The lack of separation is the most telling difference between our WRs and other teams.

I am almost willing to excuse Petzing considering how crap our WRs have been in terms of separation.

 

[HairZach]

lol did you just start watching the cardinals? They have been a pathetic franchise for decades… He did make the playoffs with a coach who had NO business being an NFL coach literally on his back, yes they got whooped by the Rams who won the superbowl and have owned the Cards under that HC. Again expecting the QB to overcome all of the franchises shortcomings and win despite all of them is completely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous. This is his first full season under Gannon who seems to be a decent coach and motivator but the OC is beyond awful and we still lack offensive talent. Which one of our WRs would even start on a good team? Honestly? Watch other games and look how open WRs get and ask yourself why dont ours ever get that damn open? Kyler makes some boneheaded mistakes sure, so would many QBs trying to make things happen. But the organization has put him in the position to try and carry a team in his back for too long and not supplied quality weapons and coaching period.

It's really starting to look like Kliff carried Kyler instead of the other way around. The collapses also seem to be a Kyler trait.