Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Stout]

I’ll take stacked rosters and HOF coaches for 1000 Alex.

Right. The Lions aren't injury ravaged and the Chargers are stacked rosters lol

Your cognitive dissonance is amazing in its consistency. Say hi to your daddy Kyler for me!

 

[602 Native]

Right. The Lions aren't injury ravaged and the Chargers are stacked rosters lol

Your cognitive dissonance is amazing in its consistency. Say hi to your daddy Kyler for me!

*Forgets HOF Coach

Yea the Lions are stacked offensively

 

[Crimson Warrior]

This is a spot on post.. if he’s not running 8+ a game then he will never reach his potential.

Running more is part of the fix, agree. In key situations especially. In the red zone.

This year overall his rushing production wasn't too bad though. 570 yards, 5 TDs, 7.3 per. Almost five carries per game. Not super far from where it needs to be. Need maybe another 180 yards, and three or four more TDs.

Second, being good in the clutch/in December/in playoff clinching/season saving games. To me, this probably the biggest thing that's holding him and the team back. No idea how or even if K1 can fix this, but if he can't he's doomed, and we're doomed at least until he's off the team.

Third (roster), I think overall the pass pro could be a little better, and we need a little upgrade to the WR room. A little more speed/twitch/YAC from the WR group. But, this might be considered a luxury for 2025, so Murray might have to make due without this next season.

But fix one and two (a gigantic ask, I understand) and Murray will be much better. Back in the MVP convo I dare say.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Imo...it was...for Kyler.

When his physical limitations would limit him from throwing over the middle/dealing with pressure Kiiff needed to pivot. When defenses got a read on him they needed to counter with a power rushing attack/play action from under center.

I've said this but despite K1s flaws I'll wonder if we'll look back and wonder was the new offense an over correction.

Now again maybe K1 would still screw it up in the 2nd half of the season. I just would have thought from watching his 2019-2022 film JG would see that he sorta needs that mix of uptempo (when its effective) and at least some screen passes to Wrs.

Where I cant defend Kyler, anymore, is that he wants this offense. He loves Petzing and believes its good that he doesn't have to carry an offense (which is reasonable...but looks bad when watching Jayden Daniels carry the Commanders).

All is not lost my friend. This offensive group was 11th in yards and 12th in points, but they have not reached their ceiling. Now their shortcomings have been laid bare.

Let's let them work together all offseason. Let MO make one or two moves.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say this group, led by the brave and courageous Kyler Murray, could be a top ten unit in 2025.

 

[Shane]

All is not lost my friend. This offensive group was 11th in yards and 12th in points, but they have not reached their ceiling. Now their shortcomings have been laid bare.

Let's let them work together all offseason. Let MO make one or two moves.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say this group, led by the brave and courageous Kyler Murray, could be a top ten unit in 2025.

Brave and courageous? I think you misspelled panicky….

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Brave and courageous? I think you misspelled panicky….

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[BirdGangThing]

gonna try and be a helpful hippie today

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[Dr. Jones]

Sideways football can be successful when you have the right quarterback running the offense.

Does it piss you off as much as it does to me when all of our former players go on to more successful careers elsewhere? I mean.... The list is so long at this point.

I can't tell you how much I hate the franchise that owns my team. They effing suck.

 

[gimpy]

You have to take the good with the bad.

 

[K1Day1]

Where were you when Kyler was sucking donkey dong and why are you only crawling back out when teams with good QBs are losing in the playoffs?

Apparently unlike yourself, I have a Life ! ! And no one is crawling back out considering it's not like this franchise has some long playoff history ! !... I believe the over/under was 7.5 wins for the Cardinals this year. Complaining about Murray over and over and over is pretty bizarre !

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

There’s a zero percent chance Kyler is ever going to win these sorts of playoffs games. I get we have to run it back next year because of what there is available but long-term need to make a change.

And for the revisionist historians out there Kliff had totally lost control of the locker room and needed to go. He’s never been HC material nor is now.

 

[602 Native]

Where were you when Kyler was sucking donkey dong and why are you only crawling back out when teams with good QBs are losing in the playoffs?

You guys come off so angry about absolutely nothing.

It’s the weirdest thing to see on this message board.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Is there anyone that denies that K1 is way better when he can both run and pass in games?

We don’t control play calls and scheme.

I know who does though.

But K1 does control the play calls. He can audible. He makes the decision to keep it or hand it off on a RPO.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I’d agree he shares the blame.. but you also just pointed out the other part of the problem with that equation in not dialing it up/mandating that kyler do it as the orchestrator of the offense - PetzTard

Isn't it odd to say it's Petz's fault when he called the plays that got us up the 11th ranked offense? (I believe it was 11)

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Isn't it odd to say it's Petz's fault when he called the plays that got us up the 11th ranked offense? (I believe it was 11)

No you're right.

That's the whole thing WC. It's a little silly guys crying doom and gloom because it's not like this offense was a million miles away from being competitive. It's close.

We don't need an overhaul, just some fine tuning.

Don't you agree, my most reasonable and gracious board compatriot?

 

[WisconsinCard]

No you're right.

That's the whole thing WC. It's a little silly guys crying doom and gloom because it's not like this offense was a million miles away from being competitive. It's close.

We don't need an overhaul, just some fine tuning.

Don't you agree, my most reasonable and gracious board compatriot?

I do agree. With better QB play I believe it could have been top 10. If K1 can learn to let the game slow down a bit he could be around 10-12 best QB in the league. I just think he's scared, and until he gets over that aspect of his game, he'll continue to be a very talented but mid-QB.

 

[602 Native]

But K1 does control the play calls. He can audible. He makes the decision to keep it or hand it off on a RPO.

Not a single QB has to audible every play.

DP is a horrible schemer. So much so people are doubting MHJ and McBride barely got touchdowns.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Not a single QB has to audible every play.

DP is a horrible schemer. So much so people are doubting MHJ and McBride barely got touchdowns.

So every play is a bad call? But still rank 11th in offense. Makes no sense. Drowning man grasping for anything to support K1, sounds like to me.

 

[The6]

So every play is a bad call? But still rank 11th in offense. Makes no sense. Drowning man grasping for anything to support K1, sounds like to me.

I think he might be related to Kyler. Distant cousin..

 

[DaHilg]

Isn't it odd to say it's Petz's fault when he called the plays that got us up the 11th ranked offense? (I believe it was 11)

Not what so ever.. context is everything. We may have been the 11th ranked offense by some metric you are going by - but we certainly weren’t the 11th best offense in the league.. no different than the good ole’ I hate kyler crews beliefs when Kyler is ranked XYZ for QBR, pass rating etc. you don’t believe he’s that XYZ rank in reality.

PetzTard had terrible adjustments, terrible critical down calls, terrible red zone calls… a TON of meaningless yards between the 20’s. Exactly what defenses want you to do nowadays.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Not what so ever.. context is everything. We may have been the 11th ranked offense by some metric you are going by - but we certainly weren’t the 11th best offense in the league.. no different than the good ole’ I hate kyler crews beliefs when Kyler is ranked XYZ for QBR, pass rating etc. you don’t believe he’s that XYZ rank in reality.

PetzTard had terrible adjustments, terrible critical down calls, terrible red zone calls… a TON of meaningless yards between the 20’s. Exactly what defenses want you to do nowadays.

2024 NFL Offense Total Team Stat Leaders - ESPN

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Read it for yourself

 

[DaHilg]

2024 NFL Offense Total Team Stat Leaders - ESPN

ESPN is the place for NFL stats! Find a list of the Offense Total team stat leaders for the 2024 NFL Regular Season.

www.espn.com

Read it for yourself

Okay ignore my context - typical of your crew. Enjoy your night.

 

[Cheesebeef]

[/QUOTE]

Not what so ever.. context is everything. We may have been the 11th ranked offense by some metric you are going by - but we certainly weren’t the 11th best offense in the league..

By “some metric”. Lol… we’re literally ranked 11th in total offensive yards AND ranked 11th in the league in Points Per Game.

Crazy metrics to judge where the offense ranks!

 

[602 Native]

I think he might be related to Kyler. Distant cousin..

God Father actually

 

[WisconsinCard]

Okay ignore my context - typical of your crew. Enjoy your night.

I don't have a crew. I'm too old they all ran faster than I could these days. So I and everyone else took it you thought it was some new-fangled next gen made up stats.