Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[DaHilg]

By passer rating and QBR Kyler still sits well outside the top 6-8 quarterbacks in the league and in that 9-16 muddle. That's why it's a challenge to consider replacing him. It's pretty stunning that Kyler hasn't meaningfully improved since his rookie season, and in some critical ways maybe has gotten worse.

There are some QBs who don't really "get their teams to the playoffs" -- there are 2-3 every year. I'd point to Pittsburgh and Green Bay this past season, Cleveland, Philly, and Pittsburgh the year before. My POV has consistently been that you do everything you can to make the playoffs consistently -- sooner or later you're likely to break through. I think that Kyler can be a guy that doesn't put you out of the running to make the playoffs. I want to see a couple more chances before I decide he really is Kirk Cousins But Runs.

Actually a really good take… my question would be whose playoff roster last year in regards to supporting cast from top to bottom do you think AZ has been even close to?

 

[kerouac9]

Actually a really good take… my question would be whose playoff roster last year in regards to supporting cast from top to bottom do you think AZ has been even close to?

I'm not really gonna go position by position, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to think we can achieve the 16th ranked offense/8th ranked defense of Pittsburgh, 20th ranked offense/17th ranked defense of the Rams (they had a negative point differential! Not enough people are talking about this), or the 19th ranked offense/14th ranked defense of the Texans.

 

[DaHilg]

I'm not really gonna go position by position, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to think we can achieve the 16th ranked offense/8th ranked defense of Pittsburgh, 20th ranked offense/17th ranked defense of the Rams (they had a negative point differential! Not enough people are talking about this), or the 19th ranked offense/14th ranked defense of the Texans.

Ranked statistical typically doesn’t tell all the story.. point in proof; your boy Kyler. When statistically at the top, he’s discounted and rightly should have been this past season.

You can’t state with a straight face our defense was even half as good as the Steelers..and in reality our offense wasn’t better than Steelers. Maybe close to equal offensively. Top to bottle Steelers by a landslide side as that was a top 3 defense in the league beyond the statistics. It carried that team.

Rams - roster was better on both sides of the ball by at least 75%. McBride and Paris on offense.. hard to choose JC over Kyrien. Toss up maybe. Then defense same thing, at least 8 of their starters would replace 8 of our defensive starters.

 

[AZ Native]

By passer rating and QBR Kyler still sits well outside the top 6-8 quarterbacks in the league and in that 9-16 muddle. That's why it's a challenge to consider replacing him. It's pretty stunning that Kyler hasn't meaningfully improved since his rookie season, and in some critical ways maybe has gotten worse.

There are some QBs who don't really "get their teams to the playoffs" -- there are 2-3 every year. I'd point to Pittsburgh and Green Bay this past season, Cleveland, Philly, and Pittsburgh the year before. My POV has consistently been that you do everything you can to make the playoffs consistently -- sooner or later you're likely to break through. I think that Kyler can be a guy that doesn't put you out of the running to make the playoffs. I want to see a couple more chances before I decide he really is Kirk Cousins But Runs.

Muddle? Very keen observation.