Leinart Contract/Negotiations Discussion

[abomb]

At what point does Condon start releasing hard info to the media? It seems this could ugly pretty quickly.

 

[krispydude]

what a freakin joke. this organization never ceases to amaze me. its like a new start for this team and then they go and pull this crap again. pay the man the damn money, hes not being unreasonable

 

[kerouac9]

It's kind of embarassing to go into every grocery store in the Valley and seeing Matt's face on the cover of Phoenix Magazine, understanding that he's the new face of the franchise in Arizona, and knowing that he's a holdout.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

11-21 is not a very good endorsement for the new regime some are talking about.

 

[AzCards21]

Per Jurecki:

Cards offering 9-10 mill in gauranteed money with some attainable fluff to get to 12.

A marketing godsend, perfect timing to build on the hype, a franchise qb and they are going to screw it up over a couple million. Idiots.

 

[AzCards21]

At what point does Condon start releasing hard info to the media? It seems this could ugly pretty quickly.

He doesn't have to, Jurecki and the sports writers are doing it for him. And yes, we should all be upset with these fools.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Per Jurecki:

Cards offering 9-10 mill in gauranteed money with some attainable fluff to get to 12.

A marketing godsend, perfect timing to build on the hype, a franchise qb and they are going to screw it up over a couple million. Idiots.

I don't get this either. If you are worried about the arm, the partying or the Heisman hype....why draft him at all??

Are Green/Graves and the Bidwills on the same page here??

 

[arthurracoon]

cards demanded 6 years, leinart agreed

they will talk again in one hour

 

[abomb]

cards demanded 6 years, leinart agreed

they will talk again in one hour

Thanks arthur, your updates are appreciated!

 

[NEZCardsfan]

They'll be talking to Jason Cole.....who wrote what Bick and MJ are reporting.....should be interesting. Hope Arthur is listening cuz I'm too lazy to translate.

 

[Sandan]

Finally, Condon submitted three contract proposals over the weekend and, apparently, the response each time was "No, just no."

Or so Condon says, are you really that gulible K9.

He is trying to put pressure on the Cardinals via the media

 

[seesred]

IMO today is agreement day and Tuesday is his first camp day.

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[Renz]

cards demanded 6 years, leinart agreed

they will talk again in one hour

Get it done, boys.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Where have I been the last three years? Watching this team under the new regime go 4-12, 6-10, and 5-11

Dennis Green has coached 2 seasons...

 

[joeshmo]

I am amazed at how with all the good the Cards have been doing for the past 3 years and have really worked at becoming a professional, well run NFL team, that some of the fans won't cut them some slack and give them the benefit of a doubt because they can't get Three 1st rounders in 3 years, 2 week long hold outs first rounders signed, and 8-10 Mill Left with no depth. Every time I hear someone say "same old Cardinals", I want to ask where they have been the last 3 years.

I fixed it for you.

 

[Sandan]

The Valley appears to be angry this morning.

Judging from the listener commentary on the MJ and Bickley Show, a great deal of fan anger is being expressed this morning with a lot of anti-Bidwill ("same old same old") sentiment being resurrected.

This exactly what Tom Condon wants.

Personally I doubt it makes much difference to the Cardinals. Either as K9 beleives, BB Snr is micro managing this process, in which case we all 'know' he doesn't care. Or Rod Graves is running it and he is to honest to negogiate in the media and seems to to take a very calm approach to everything.

Either way I don't think it matters to the Cardinals.

Second you can read almost anything you want into the statement about BB Snr. K9 thinks it is Same Old Cardinals with BB being cheap, ok maybe he is right. Or at the other end of the spectrum, it could be that as the owner he has final approval of all deals [duh] but that MB is the one actually doing the real approval with his father rubber stamping it.

Nobody really know

 

[arthurracoon]

They'll be talking to Jason Cole.....who wrote what Bick and MJ are reporting.....should be interesting. Hope Arthur is listening cuz I'm too lazy to translate.

 

[Sandan]

I
- Graves is a huge supporter of the Philly Model and have sold that concept of running the team to the Bidwells and partially to Green. One of the key rules of the Philly Model is never to hurt your cap situation in the future, so signing "over the hill players" to long contracts is a no-no. If the model was followed during this off-season, only 4 players were options in FA. (Young, quality players) Hutch, Bentley, M. Brown and Kyle Kosier. Bentley was never an option, since he wanted to go to Cleveland. Neither was Hutch, since Seattle never would allowed us to sign him. That leaves Kosier and Brown.... We signed Brown almost immidiately in FA, and the Cowboys did the same with Kosier. We did sign the one of only two players "accepted" under the Philly-Model. Yes, I know that Ashworth was available, BUT $4.5M a year for a mediocre player that have missed 15games to injury over the last two seasons.. PLEASE!

- The FA market for OL and S was terrible.

I think this is very close to the truth and squares with Greens comments in FA not going how they would have liked. The naysayers suggest they we cut off, it could just be they couldn't find the folks they needed

 

[abomb]

At this point, I dont want to see Leinart in the game Saturday. After visiting camp, he is missing a lot of action and I dont want to see him get rocked by Joey Porter.

There, I've gone on record.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

At this point, I dont want to see Leinart in the game Saturday. After visiting camp, he is missing a lot of action and I dont want to see him get rocked by Joey Porter.

There, I've gone on record.

He needs to start getting some reps soon....or it's Navarre coming in when Warner goes down.

How does that make you sleep at night??

 

[abomb]

He needs to start getting some reps soon....or it's Navarre coming in when Warner goes down.

How does that make you sleep at night??

Not very well. Navarro isnt the worst thing in the world, but calling him a capable NFL backup is a stretch. I still wish we had signed Kerry Collins.

 

[ajcardfan]

At this point, I dont want to see Leinart in the game Saturday. After visiting camp, he is missing a lot of action and I dont want to see him get rocked by Joey Porter.

There, I've gone on record.

Bah, get his rear in there if he makes it by tomorrow.

 

[kerouac9]

Man, what does sand taste like, nidan? Seriously, is it that impossible for you to believe that your boy Graves might be in over his head here?

Tom Condon has been known for not negotiating through the media. That it has come to this should be a statement for you about how things have gone in the negotiation process.

Whether you like it or not, the Cards have squandered an opportunity and a lot of good will in the Valley. If Matt Leinart doesn't play in the Steelers game and the Cards end up getting killed, what you're going to hear about is how Matt didn't get any snaps.

It is funny that the Cards keep drafting greedy players.

 

[Sandan]

And this is where someone will chime in "yeah, well they re-sign their own free agents" or "they now offer creative contracts" as if those personnel decisions are actually worth bragging about when the rest of the NFL has been conducting business in those ways for years.

Most not all have yes and that's one reason why we have sucked, the records you point to are a result of that.

The only way to fix it is through the draft and careful management but it takes a while to repair the kind of damage we had

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Not very well. Navarro isnt the worst thing in the world, but calling him a capable NFL backup is a stretch. I still wish we had signed Kerry Collins.

Collins would have been a nice luxury.

But, I'd still be happy with Leinart #2. If we can hurry and get him in, I think 3 pre season games should be enough to get the #2 job.

I wouldn't mind Leinart getting game situations this year. I believe we are a year or two away from really serious contention. I think he learns as quick as any rookie in the last 5 years. And, if he struggled some, I don't think it would destroy his confidence.