Leinart released per Jurecki

[Renz]

He didn't even get as many chances as JeMarcus Russell!!! There's no getting around the fact that Leinart's fate has been primarily determined by off the field analysis.

"Primarily determined by off the field analysis"? Are you for real? Whiz has seen Matt in practice, regular season games and preseason games for 3+ years.

You honestly believe he cut Matt just because he doesn't like him?

 

[D-Dogg]

Sorry Donald... couldn't disagree more with this. And a comparison the the Vikes and Favre is just wrong. Is Matty really worthy of Favre type treatment?? Really??
You guys keep painting Wiz as some sort of monster?? Just this week, Wolf was talking about how he witnessed, during the first few days of camp, Whiz pulling Stephen Williams aside and "coaching him up". He said it was fascinating as he claims this is hihgly unusual throughout the league.
Anyway, anything short of putting ALL of this on Matty is simply unacceptable to me. The dude had more chances than 90% of NFL QB's ever get, and HE blew it. Nobody else but 'lil Matty! C-ya!!!!

Did I say he was a monster? No, but he's absolutely a NO BS kind of coach.

I also didn't compare ML and Favre...but highlighted a case where a coach has no problem treating players differently...I also think Childress is a horrible coach. CKW would not put up with Favre drama, IMO.

Of course he coaches up young talent...did the same with Max Hall. But coaching up a kid and alternating motiviational tactics with different players are VERY different things. It's just different managing styles...some people are consistent, some people manage to others' strengths and weaknesses. CKW is the former, and it works. Green was the latter, and it didn't work.

I don't think Matt ever fit in with Whis, and yes he did get a TON of chances. But the player needs and the coaching style simply didn't mesh. And there really aren't a lot of coaches who have that style left in the league.

 

[D-Dogg]

This may be true, but if his past pro coaching jobs are any indication, it doesn't work. At least it hasn't for him.

No, I agree. I think it is a terrible coaching style and sucks. Leads to fractured locker rooms and distrust, IMO.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Did I say he was a monster? No, but he's absolutely a NO BS kind of coach.

I also didn't compare ML and Favre...but highlighted a case where a coach has no problem treating players differently...I also think Childress is a horrible coach. CKW would not put up with Favre drama, IMO.

Of course he coaches up young talent...did the same with Max Hall. But coaching up a kid and alternating motiviational tactics with different players are VERY different things. It's just different managing styles...some people are consistent, some people manage to others' strengths and weaknesses. CKW is the former, and it works. Green was the latter, and it didn't work.

I don't think Matt ever fit in with Whis, and yes he did get a TON of chances. But the player needs and the coaching style simply didn't mesh. And there really aren't a lot of coaches who have that style left in the league.

Ugghhh... ok, curious... Can you name a successful coach, past or present, that would have "coddled" Matty? And that that "coddling" would have produced the type of NFL Matt Leinart you and others seem to believe is somewhere in there, and that Whiz stamped out??

 

[ajcardfan]

Right or wrong, and not only for this season, the rest of Whisenhunt's tenure as coach here will largely be judge by picking Anderson rather than Leinart to QB the team.


One thing can't be denied. Whisenhunt is very, very comfortable with his job security right. Only a coach who knows ownership backs him to the hilt would make like this.

 

[D-Dogg]

Ugghhh... ok, curious... Can you name a successful coach, past or present, that would have "coddled" Matty? And that that "coddling" would have produced the type of NFL Matt Leinart you and others seem to believe is somewhere in there, and that Whiz stamped out??

Dennis Green was on his way. And the day we fired him and the day we hired Whis are two of the greatest days in Cardinal history. Note that I have clearly stated I don't find that style of coaching to be successful...but it does exist out there. I also don't know if it would have produced a better Leinart, either, simply stated that it is the style of coaching that he responds to (and Pete Carroll has gone on record with the same thought).

Stop trying to connect dots that don't exist, 82, and to paint my comments as something they aren't.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Bust


Good riddance

 

[D-Dogg]

Right or wrong, and not only for this season, the rest of Whisenhunt's tenure as coach here will largely be judge by picking Anderson rather than Leinart to QB the team.

I don't agree with that. His tenure is judged by wins and losses...he took this team to the freaking Super Bowl. Ditching an underperforming QB the year before a balloon payment is a blip on the radar, frankly, and I'm one of Matt's fans. CKW is the freaking man.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The writing was on the wall when an undrafted rookie FA picked up the offense faster than a guy who has been on the team since Whisenhunt took over.

Sad but true.

ML never was able to get the offense down mentally.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Right or wrong, and not only for this season, the rest of Whisenhunt's tenure as coach here will largely be judge by picking Anderson rather than Leinart to QB the team.


One thing can't be denied. Whisenhunt is very, very comfortable with his job security right. Only a coach who knows ownership backs him to the hilt would make like this.

Because we might lose 13 games this year.

I hope we don't, but after this preseaon, all bets are off now.

 

[Unsterblich856]

If there was a QB that was perfectly tailored for "Same Ol' Cardinals", it would be Derek Anderson. I'm hoping Jake Locker is another story of 1st overall potential that falls for whatever reason and we scoop him up. Minus the end, of course.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Dennis Green was on his way. And the day we fired him and the day we hired Whis are two of the greatest days in Cardinal history. Note that I have clearly stated I don't find that style of coaching to be successful...but it does exist out there. I also don't know if it would have produced a better Leinart, either, simply stated that it is the style of coaching that he responds to (and Pete Carroll has gone on record with the same thought).

Stop trying to connect dots that don't exist, 82, and to paint my comments as something they aren't.

My only point here to bring reality to this picture. Matty has nobody else to blame but himself, period. Whiz is generally considered to be a terrific players coach. He is very fair and very consistent. Matty had his shot (s) and blew them all...
And IMHO, no matter where he ends up, he will struggle to consistently perform and will struggle to gain the confidence of his team. He is simply not a leader, period...

 

[ActingWild]

Considering that he knows our entire playbook, letting him go to a division rival is stupid.

 

[moklerman]

"Primarily determined by off the field analysis"? Are you for real? Whiz has seen Matt in practice, regular season games and preseason games for 3+ years.

You honestly believe he cut Matt just because he doesn't like him?

Sorry, by "off the field" I meant "games that count" vs. everything else.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I don't agree with that. His tenure is judged by wins and losses...he took this team to the freaking Super Bowl. Ditching an underperforming QB the year before a balloon payment is a blip on the radar, frankly, and I'm one of Matt's fans. CKW is the freaking man.

Wins and losses, you're right. And we might lose 13 games this year. It could get that bad dude.

And if it does, Whiz is going to get blamed.

He'll still get a pass for 2010. But if DA crashes and Hall and Skelton are not the answer, who's going to QB the team in 2011?

I'm not saying this whole mess is Whiz's fault, but it could put this franchise into a tail spin for long enough to cost the current staff their jobs.

 

[Dayman]

Whis just said they won't be looking for another QB. We're rolling with DA, Hall and Skelton. Yikes.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

If there was a QB that was perfectly tailored for "Same Ol' Cardinals", it would be Derek Anderson. I'm hoping Jake Locker is another story of 1st overall potential that falls for whatever reason and we scoop him up. Minus the end, of course.

I'd be willing to bet a large sum that the Cards don't draft ANY QB in the first round of next year's draft

 

[82CardsGrad]

Considering that he knows our entire playbook, letting him go to a division rival is stupid.

Please.... BRING IT ON!!!!!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

My only point here to bring reality to this picture. Matty has nobody else to blame but himself, period. Whiz is generally considered to be a terrific players coach. He is very fair and very consistent. Matty had his shot (s) and blew them all...
And IMHO, no matter where he ends up, he will struggle to consistently perform and will struggle to gain the confidence of his team. He is simply not a leader, period...

He's not a players' coach. Doug and Wolf were discussing this the other day...he understands players and their needs and experience, but he doesn't "coddle" them or want to be super close with them. The traditional "players' coach" sucks and is pretty much not seen at the NFL level any longer. Much more prevelant at the college level.

Saying that Matt isn't a leader of this team is true. But he was clearly a leader at USC. It isn't like he doesn't have that quality. Whether he can recapture it is the question...and he can only do that under a coach that pats him on the ass for showing up. Read, Carroll. It's really the only place I see him able to succeed right now, and having MW as a wideout makes that transition even easier...a guy who already loves him.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I'd be willing to bet a large sum that the Cards don't draft ANY QB in the first round of next year's draft

And I'd say you like to gamble.

 

[82CardsGrad]

He's not a players' coach. Doug and Wolf were discussing this the other day...he understands players and their needs and experience, but he doesn't "coddle" them or want to be super close with them. The traditional "players' coach" sucks and is pretty much not seen at the NFL level any longer. Much more prevelant at the college level.

Saying that Matt isn't a leader of this team is true. But he was clearly a leader at USC. It isn't like he doesn't have that quality. Whether he can recapture it is the question...and he can only do that under a coach that pats him on the ass for showing up. Read, Carroll. It's really the only place I see him able to succeed right now, and having MW as a wideout makes that transition even easier...a guy who already loves him.

Whatever... I think they once said Gino Toretta was the leader at THE U as well.

 

[Chopper0080]

Considering that he knows our entire playbook, letting him go to a division rival is stupid.

I could not care less about what team picks up Leinart, Seattle or other wise. The book on him has been set, and until I see something different, I would love to see him across the field starting against us.

Just blitz the a gaps with Wilson & Washington, drop Lenon under the TE, Rhodes follows his eyes, and have Toler & Cromartie sit on the slant. Game over.

I hope Leinart develops into a quality QB in this league, but I am not going to take it as any type of lock. His best options would be to go to Indy, New England, or someplace else with a legit starter to mature under.

 

[Buckybird]

I just seen on ESPN that Thesmel is at Cardinal headquarters demanding to speak with Wiz ASAP, he wants answers.

bump

 

[lobo]

Considering that he knows our entire playbook, letting him go to a division rival is stupid.

Overrated!!!!

Sadly I don't believe he knew the playbook if it was a chip implanted in his noggin. Ya' think he xeroxed it and will bring it wherever he goes...i kinda' doubt that too.

I wish him well, and wish he worked out. An awful lot of us on the day he was drafted were happy campers....does anyone recall a poster who thought he was not going to make it during the first week we had him?? I don't recall anyone....one little giveaway in retrospect...both Cutler and Young went before he did whatever that is worth.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I could not care less about what team picks up Leinart, Seattle or other wise. The book on him has been set, and until I see something different, I would love to see him across the field starting against us.

Just blitz the a gaps with Wilson & Washington, drop Lenon under the TE, Rhodes follows his eyes, and have Toler & Cromartie sit on the slant. Game over.

I hope Leinart develops into a quality QB in this league, but I am not going to take it as any type of lock. His best options would be to go to Indy, New England, or someplace else with a legit starter to mature under.

RIGHT ON!!!!!!!