Levi v. Potter for LT -- Winston v. Massie for RT

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I dont know what to think about it, if Winston is hands down better I am all for it but I feel Massie has more upside.... :shrug:

I prefer a 10 year player with updisde vs a 1 year RT who will want a nice contract next year and already has 5 years in the league.

Whatever though, a solid starter for 5+ years is all I want. If winston is it, lets do it.
 

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I dont know what to think about it, if Winston is hands down better I am all for it but I feel Massie has more upside.... :shrug:

I prefer a 10 year player with updisde vs a 1 year RT who will want a nice contract next year and already has 5 years in the league.

Whatever though, a solid starter for 5+ years is all I want. If winston is it, lets do it.

Of course Massie has more upside given his age and for that reason I'm not concerned if he sits behind an experienced pro for a season and perhaps is moved to right guard in the interim. Best 5, as so many have said.
 

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I dont know what to think about it, if Winston is hands down better I am all for it but I feel Massie has more upside.... :shrug:

I prefer a 10 year player with updisde vs a 1 year RT who will want a nice contract next year and already has 5 years in the league.

Whatever though, a solid starter for 5+ years is all I want. If winston is it, lets do it.

Let the best player start and be happy that there's depth :)

Winston is experienced, but I agree Massie showed promised and has more long-term potential. I actually like this development. If Massie can't surpass Winston as the starter then let Winston start and wait for Massie.
 

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After the last few years its hard to fathom having the "problem" of too many qualified tackles.
 

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Of course Massie has more upside given his age and for that reason I'm not concerned if he sits behind an experienced pro for a season and perhaps is moved to right guard in the interim. Best 5, as so many have said.
Arians has said, more than once, that he likes Massie as a possible guard. He's the one I could see supplanting Colledge, not Levi.
 

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Arians has said, more than once, that he likes Massie as a possible guard. He's the one I could see supplanting Colledge, not Levi.
First time I have heard that. I thought that Massie had improved his footwork and that's why he was getting better as the year went by. Now possibly move him to guard?
 

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First time I have heard that. I thought that Massie had improved his footwork and that's why he was getting better as the year went by. Now possibly move him to guard?

You require good footwork to play right guard and combining him with Cooper, who has outstanding footwork, could be great for the running game.
 

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You require good footwork to play right guard and combining him with Cooper, who has outstanding footwork, could be great for the running game.

While I agree, it may take some time to get accustomed to a new position, possibly the whole season. I still say the Cards will be a 60%+ passing team...that's his play calling history.
 

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Levi Brown, Nate Potter vie for left tackle job

Levi Brown vs. Nate Potter.

The seven-year veteran vs. the second-year pro. The former first-round draft pick from Norfolk, Va., against the seventh-round pick from Boise, Idaho.

“I can’t wait to see it and the start of those guys truly competing at football,” Arians said. “You can’t have enough competition. I know with really good competition between good players, you’re going to have a damn good starter and a hell of a backup.

“Somebody’s going to have their lip poked out for a little while, but hey, win the job.”

That’s exactly what Brown and Potter are out to do, though they view the quest a little differently.

For Brown, 29, who missed all of last season with a torn triceps, it’s all about returning as the incumbent. He started every game from 2008-11 and he fully expects to be named the starter again.

“That’s the plan,” he said. “That, and to just play as long as you can. Right now, I’m focusing on my weaknesses and technique and getting the coaching I need. I’m working on getting better and then just go out there and be myself.”

Potter, 25, who started the final six games at left tackle last year and drew praise from the former coaching staff.

Winning the starter’s job would be great, he said, but becoming a better player is his only concern.

“For me it’s been the same thing for a long, long time,” Potter said. “I just want to continue to get stronger, continue to gain weight and continue to get better fundamentally.”

Both have been taking snaps with the first-team offense, though Brown has been getting more. Early in camp, however, Potter was the first offensive lineman Arians singled out in a positive light.

“He’s one of the guys I don’t ever have to talk to,” Arians said, “so that’s a nice thing.”

Potter smiled when told of that comment but was quick to explain he doesn’t have it all figured out just yet. He’s simply focused on playing sound technique at the quarterback’s blind side and is doing his best to eliminate mental mistakes.

Maybe that’s what Arians was referring to, he said. But mistakes are going to happen.

“It’s harder when you’re out there and things are going 100 mph,” he said. “But last year was a good for me. It was good to get that experience.
“Both (right tackle) Bobby (Massie) and I got a chance to play, and that goes a long way, just getting in there and taking live bullets.”

Potter added at least 10 pounds this off-season, bringing his weight up to about 295. But he says he can stand to still get bigger and when he’s not hitting the weight room, he’s “trying to eat all the time.”

Getting bigger and stronger helps you on all aspects playing O-line,”

Potter said. “It helps you anchor, it helps you in the run game, the pass game — all of the above. For me, it’s been a detriment for a long time and I’m still not where I want to be, but trust me, I’m working on it.”
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Potter
Cooper
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Kelemete (the mystery man) or Wartford
Massie

Draft a top quality center next April and we'd have an offensive line that could still be together in 2023.

They might struggle some this year but, hey, we're saving the Franchise for our children and grandchildren. :D
 

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Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki https://twitter.com/mikejurecki/status/363365104714125313 Arians mentioned the reason Bobby Massie was benched because of to many mental errors, not physical. #ericwinston

That makes more sense because in the film at the end of the season that I watched on Massie he looked really good as far as quickness off the ball and being able to physically handle defenders. He's the best I've seen in a Cardinal uniform in a long time at getting into proper pass blocking stance after the snap.
He was way ahead of the defender almost every time.

EDIT: Could it be that after a year under Grimm Massie thought that blocking down and giving the outside rusher a clear path to the QB was what you were supposed to do.
 
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That makes more sense because in the film at the end of the season that I watched on Massie he looked really good as far as quickness off the ball and being able to physically handle defenders. He's the best I've seen in a Cardinal uniform in a long time at getting into proper pass blocking stance after the snap.
He was way ahead of the defender almost every time.

EDIT: Could it be that after a year under Grimm Massie thought that blocking down and giving the outside rusher a clear path to the QB was what you were supposed to do.
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I guess BA has never watched film on #75 :D

He even called him elite:mulli: He's about to get a ringside seat for the abuse he will witness next Friday against Clay Matthews. Lol
Hey BA, do the discount double check and cut Levi Brown and Colledge ASAP.

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I guess BA has never watched film on #75 :D

He even called him elite:mulli: He's about to get a ringside seat for the abuse he will witness next Friday against Clay Matthews. Lol

Curious.

What more important. You be proven right or Levi does his job to the team's benefit?
 

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Curious.

What more important. You be proven right or Levi does his job to the team's benefit?

Me being right has nothing to do with it. Levi's performance for the majority of his career as a Card affects my teams ability to win & he's been a bigger part of the problem than part of the solution. Do you dispute that? It's time this team moves on for a better alternative which gives them a better chance for our QB to succeed as well as the team.

Watching the games don't lie. Protecting the QBs blindside is the LTs #1 job, especially in a passing offense! Ask yourself this...do you think BA is looking to pound the rock like the Texans or the Niners? His track record says no, so IMO Levi's a bad fit...& always has been!
 
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Me being right has nothing to do with it. Levi's performance for the majority of his career as a Card affects my teams ability to win & he's been a bigger part of the problem than part of the solution. Do you dispute that? It's time this team moves on for a better alternative which gives them a better chance for our QB to succeed as well as the team.

Watching the games don't lie. Protecting the QBs blindside is the LTs #1 job, especially in a passing offense! Ask yourself this...do you think BA is looking to pound the rock like the Texans or the Niners? His track record says no, so IMO Levi's a bad fit...& always has been!

If he's the liability you suggest, he won't be on the final 53.
 

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Me being right has nothing to do with it. Levi's performance for the majority of his career as a Card affects my teams ability to win & he's been a bigger part of the problem than part of the solution. Do you dispute that? It's time this team moves on for a better alternative which gives them a better chance for our QB to succeed as well as the team.

Watching the games don't lie. Protecting the QBs blindside is the LTs #1 job, especially in a passing offense! Ask yourself this...do you think BA is looking to pound the rock like the Texans or the Niners? His track record says no, so IMO Levi's a bad fit...& always has been!

And what is that "better alternative"? Nate Potter? He stunk up the joint last year when he came in. If I went back a year ago, would you be saying that D'Anthony Batiste can't possibly be worse than Levi Brown?

I'm fine with moving on from Levi Brown, but let's make sure we have someone on the roster who's better than him first.
 

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And what is that "better alternative"? Nate Potter? He stunk up the joint last year when he came in. If I went back a year ago, would you be saying that D'Anthony Batiste can't possibly be worse than Levi Brown?

I'm fine with moving on from Levi Brown, but let's make sure we have someone on the roster who's better than him first.

In fact there were fans who believed that the Cards would lose little by replacing Brown with Baptiste.
 

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And what is that "better alternative"? Nate Potter? He stunk up the joint last year when he came in. If I went back a year ago, would you be saying that D'Anthony Batiste can't possibly be worse than Levi Brown?

I'm fine with moving on from Levi Brown, but let's make sure we have someone on the roster who's better than him first.

Exactly! Potter is for some reason ultra hyped on this board. Did he show potential - yes! Did he play well - no way! Lets keep Brown until we actually know what Potter can do. And I would love to see Brown in action in a diffrent scheme
 

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Sorry, but I don't understand your first sentence.

I'm saying that the general feeling of the fans about one player doesn't say anything. The fans don't know the responsibilities of the players like the coaches do and to be honest I'm don't have a lot of faith in the general fans for undestanding OL play and OL schemes
 

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I'm saying that the general feeling of the fans about one player doesn't say anything. The fans don't know the responsibilities of the players like the coaches do and to be honest I'm don't have a lot of faith in the general fans for undestanding OL play and OL schemes

Agreed, but I can't imagine a scheme since the dawn of American style football where Baptiste would be better suited than Brown.
 
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