Logan Thomas Claimed by Dolphins

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I think we can agree to disagree but who are the top 10 Qbs in the nfl right now for you I would bet none have Lts abilitys physically so is it just his youth or lack of opportunity
 

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Mitch, I am truly saddened by the fact that we did not retain Logan Thomas. Of all our bubble personnel, he was indeed my favorite because he is the one that I felt was most like Andy Dufrane, (he literally did crawl through 5 football fields of excrement and came out clean on the other end). I thought that he made more progress with less opportunity to do so, than anyone else on the roster.

Throughout all of it, his big knock was that he was hopelessly inaccurate. There is no doubt that his pressure packed two minute drill to win the Raider's game, and his come from behind win in the second half of the Bronco's game, proved that he has put that argument to rest. He now throws the best deep ball of all our QBs, (Palmer included), and his accuracy for the entire 4 pre-season games is best among all our QBs. He also has shown a great deal of progress with BA's complicated offense, despite not getting the amount of reps that he could have had, or should have had in his one full year, and one off-season with the Big Red. I am greatly saddened that he will not be competing for the back-up QB position for us next year. We all knew that roster cuts would hurt this year, but little did we know that our own coaching staff would be somewhat complicit in the loss of at least one truly hard working and fast improving player from our roster. To my thinking, this was somewhat reminiscent of Ken Whisenhunt pounding a square peg into a round hole and then wondering why it was taking so long for him to learn the process.

Nearly just as hard for me to accept is the loss of S. Jones Q. His loss was simply due to the number and talent level of the safeties on our roster ahead of him. He will become a valued player for his new team, and I say that with complete confidence. I believe the same can be said for WR Shipley, and RB K. Williams. Sadly, in Shipley's case, it would appear that the staff opted for the potential up-side, (yet to be fulfilled by Brittan Golden), with his length and speed. It is doubtful that Golden will ever match the hard work of Shipley, much less his unmatched strength of hands as a receiver. They must be pretty confident that what is yet to come from Golden by way of size and speed and is far greater than Shipley could ever have mustered up. As of yet, Golden certainly has not shown the determination of Shipley nor has he shown the route running ability of Shipley, and he most certainly has not shown the ability for yards after the catch that Shipley has thus far. One simply cannot gain yards by running side to side without even attempting to turn up-field into harm's way.

Without naming all of them, there are still other players who would nicely have fit into our roster, but I am certain that the front office and staff had valid reasons for their choices. This is where it becomes hard for us lay people to understand what we cannot possibly know or see. Given their track record, I must bow to the wisdom and expertise which our front office and coaching staff have already proven to possess. They have said that these cuts would certainly not be easy to make and they were surely correct in that summation.
 

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All the hand wringing over our cuts and other teams picking up our cuts just makes me smile frankly.

BA and Keim aren't just giving away players. A lot of thought went into it, based on a lot more information than we have.

There were years other teams didn't even want our starters, now they're picking over our table scraps.
 
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Mitch, I am truly saddened by the fact that we did not retain Logan Thomas. Of all our bubble personnel, he was indeed my favorite because he is the one that I felt was most like Andy Dufrane, (he literally did crawl through 5 football fields of excrement and came out clean on the other end). I thought that he made more progress with less opportunity to do so, than anyone else on the roster.

Throughout all of it, his big knock was that he was hopelessly inaccurate. There is no doubt that his pressure packed two minute drill to win the Raider's game, and his come from behind win in the second half of the Bronco's game, proved that he has put that argument to rest. He now throws the best deep ball of all our QBs, (Palmer included), and his accuracy for the entire 4 pre-season games is best among all our QBs. He also has shown a great deal of progress with BA's complicated offense, despite not getting the amount of reps that he could have had, or should have had in his one full year, and one off-season with the Big Red. I am greatly saddened that he will not be competing for the back-up QB position for us next year. We all knew that roster cuts would hurt this year, but little did we know that our own coaching staff would be somewhat complicit in the loss of at least one truly hard working and fast improving player from our roster. To my thinking, this was somewhat reminiscent of Ken Whisenhunt pounding a square peg into a round hole and then wondering why it was taking so long for him to learn the process.

Nearly just as hard for me to accept is the loss of S. Jones Q. His loss was simply due to the number and talent level of the safeties on our roster ahead of him. He will become a valued player for his new team, and I say that with complete confidence. I believe the same can be said for WR Shipley, and RB K. Williams. Sadly, in Shipley's case, it would appear that the staff opted for the potential up-side, (yet to be fulfilled by Brittan Golden), with his length and speed. It is doubtful that Golden will ever match the hard work of Shipley, much less his unmatched strength of hands as a receiver. They must be pretty confident that what is yet to come from Golden by way of size and speed and is far greater than Shipley could ever have mustered up. As of yet, Golden certainly has not shown the determination of Shipley nor has he shown the route running ability of Shipley, and he most certainly has not shown the ability for yards after the catch that Shipley has thus far. One simply cannot gain yards by running side to side without even attempting to turn up-field into harm's way.

Without naming all of them, there are still other players who would nicely have fit into our roster, but I am certain that the front office and staff had valid reasons for their choices. This is where it becomes hard for us lay people to understand what we cannot possibly know or see. Given their track record, I must bow to the wisdom and expertise which our front office and coaching staff have already proven to possess. They have said that these cuts would certainly not be easy to make and they were surely correct in that summation.

Good post, Catfish. What I am wondering now is just how much interest our waived players are getting from other teams who are offering them spots on their practice squads. A guy like Shipley might look at the Cardinals' depth at WR and pick a team where he might have a better chance.

Shipley's route running, hands and vision on punt returns are extraordinary and well worth keeping. So, I hope they can retain him on the PS.

Harold Jones-Quartey made more impressive, textbook tackles in 4 games than we have seen from Patrick Peterson in 4 years. I kept wishing and thinking to myself, maybe HJQ's tackling will rub off on Peterson and other DBs not named Bucannon or Mathieu.

The fact that BA didn't even try to find a way to use Thomas as a situational TE or STs player---and quit on him this fast is largely disturbing.
 

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Jones -Quartey has a great motor,...but he played out of control and was undisciplined so I understand why he was cut.... "The Cardinals will not beat the Cardinals" could not be said with Jones-Quartey on the field.

The LT thing still has me stumped. The youngster has it all,....just needs some miles on him,...... I hope he does well with his new team...unless he comes to Glendale of course.

for those of you spouting all of the nonsense about accuracy,....you folks must not remember watching guys like Favre and Elway when they were young players....both had great cannons, but their guidance systems were not the best early on. I am not claiming LT is in that class of player mind you,...just noting that guys can indeed get past accuracy issues and have great careers in the NFL.

Not sure why we kept WR Golden,...he lacks concentration and is suspect in his route trees....maybe his sister is hot?? I dunno.........

really unsure about what the plan is with Barkley
 

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This makes me sick to my stomach. Best, toughest tackler in pre-season on a team that needs tacklers. Let's face it BA's Cardinals are more about finesse and sucking up to a bunch of hammy pulled vets.

John Fox is a defensive HC---the Bears were soft on D under Trestman---moves like this will help Fox turn the tables.

Plus---the Bears were 7th in the waiver claim order---so Jones-Quartey didn't make it past team #7. That says something.


You've raved about coach Arians and now this comment? Really? You don't win 11 games by being soft.. Coach doesn't suck up to anyone.

btw, Cards will beat the Bears and I don't care how, finesse or otherwise.
 

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As of yet, Golden certainly has not shown the determination of Shipley nor has he shown the route running ability of Shipley, and he most certainly has not shown the ability for yards after the catch that Shipley has thus far. One simply cannot gain yards by running side to side without even attempting to turn up-field into harm's way.
Add to all you have mentioned is the hands Shipley has. He catches everything thrown his way and this makes him a go to clutch kind of WR.

Granted we only got to see him play against other teams backup and that may be why he was able to get open so easily.
 
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You've raved about coach Arians and now this comment? Really? You don't win 11 games by being soft.. Coach doesn't suck up to anyone.

btw, Cards will beat the Bears and I don't care how, finesse or otherwise.

I still rave about BA in many ways (his charisma, his swag, his passing offense, etc.), but he is what he is---he's a pass happy coach who tries to talk up a running game that rarely happens because he does not instill a smash mouth mentality in his offensive line or his running backs.

The good news is---his passing offense is dang good---

As for the hammy pulls, I think BA at some point needs to cut a player to get the team's attention. Way too many players on the sideline and it's not by strange coincidence. BTW did DJ, CJ or Spoon look hampered by hammys?

I am not sure at this point what this team is going to look like---there are numerous question marks, starting with the rookie DC and with the continued crutch of having to send all-out blitzes to get a modicum of pressure, and the offense being one-dimensional and strictly finesse. Plus, STs are a worry and the ST coach is not held accountable.
 
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QB Phillip Sims Getting Tryout With Raiders

This week, per MJ.
 

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Mitch, I won't quibble much with what you have to say other than this, would cutting someone really help anything when their presence is more necessary than not? Who would it supposedly motivate? Why would cutting someone to make a point be any less mean spirited than giving DJ a derogatory nickname ,which you adamantly opposed?
 

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Not sure why we kept WR Golden,...he lacks concentration and is suspect in his route trees....maybe his sister is hot?? I dunno.........

I suspect they had pretty even grades on both guys and want to keep both around. It just seems like Shipley would have a much easier time slipping through waivers. A gamble that could pay off.
 

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I suspect they had pretty even grades on both guys and want to keep both around. It just seems like Shipley would have a much easier time slipping through waivers. A gamble that could pay off.

no,cause golden is like 4 years around the league and no one outside cardinals did show interest
 

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Add to all you have mentioned is the hands Shipley has. He catches everything thrown his way and this makes him a go to clutch kind of WR.

Granted we only got to see him play against other teams backup and that may be why he was able to get open so easily.

That's just it. He could have done all that with the starters. He was catching balls left and right. There were a few that were behind or ahead of him and he caught it like he had velcro on his hand. I hope we are able to get him on the PS.
 
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Mitch, I won't quibble much with what you have to say other than this, would cutting someone really help anything when their presence is more necessary than not? Who would it supposedly motivate? Why would cutting someone to make a point be any less mean spirited than giving DJ a derogatory nickname ,which you adamantly opposed?

I think that good tackling is contagious and I felt that HJQ set a real tone for the Denver game with his tackles and I saw Brooks and Roberts and others tackling like they hadn't all pre-season. Obviously, the Bears were paying attention and imo they got a steal and a player we should have never risked losing.

As for cutting someone to make a statement, it's not what any coach would prefer to do, but when it gets to the point where a player is on the sidelines every week for weeks on end, it sure sends a message to the rest of the team if that player is released. It's the same as the guy at work who keeps calling in sick---after a while everyone gets fed up.
 
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Right, so he has some name recognition. You'd think somebody would want to pick him up.

The thing is about Golden this year is that there is no evidence on tape this pre-season to make any team want to claim him. He had a much better pre-season last year. He was clearly outplayed by Jaxson Shipley, both in receptions and in punt returns.
 
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Per MJ

Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey said QB Logan Thomas is a player they've had their eye on since the 2014 draft.
 

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"I have faith in BA/the front office". I'm always intrigued by this line of though as a defense of a roster move. I mean, in this case they were wrong about a guy, right? Why does that instill faith?
 

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Kind of bummed out we never tried Thomas at TE. Given all the question marks there, he would have had a real opportunity.
 

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Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey said QB Logan Thomas is a player they've had their eye on since the 2014 draft.
Our team of coaches did a lot of the hard work getting LT this far in his development. For them to just let him go like this there has to be a reason. Miami may just reap the benefits or they may be wasting their time.
 

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Thomas was garbage in college, garbage for the Cards, now he's going to go to Miami and become a good QB????????????? Yep, right.

I'll take my chances that doesn't happen
 

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Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey said QB Logan Thomas is a player they've had their eye on since the 2014 draft.
Big deal. What do you expect him to say?

I'm sure a lot of teams had their eyes on him. I'm sure a lot of teams had their eyes on Matt Barkley also.

My scout friend, whenever I would bring up Logan Thomas, said he was a QB in the worst game of QB play he has watched in a long time. It was the 2013 Russell Athletic Bowl. Thomas was 15-39-2 ints 193 yards and Gary Nova of Rutgers was 17-40-1 int 129 yards.

He said it was brutal to watch.
 

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Plain and simple, LT didn't make the 53 this year for the Cards and he can be replaced by a rookie with same or greater potential next year.
 

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