Lost: Season 3 (Spoilers)

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...oh, and about waiting till February for the next episode...that sucks, but 16 in a row ROCKS! I think that might make it worth it.
 

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Funny. All Ben promised to Jack was to get him off of "this" island.
 

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Oh, and nice little trick by ABC using Lost previews after every "Daybreak" episode to get viewers. No thanks ABC. I'll find the previews online.

"Daybreak" sounds like "Date Rape". That show looks hoooooorrible.
 

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I totally argee there! All those guns and he takes one? C'mon, Jack. You're smarter than that!
How many guns can you shoot at once? I would have taken a rifle though.

It's the amount of ammo that annoyed me...

I think Kate and Sawyer could easly hide for a day or two and scope out their real situation. If the island is twice the size of Alcatraz with some dense jungle it shouldn't be to hard. With the other island not to far off then they could possibly find a small boat or raft and get to the other island.

I to am sick of Kate flash backs although I'm glad to see the actor who played 'Mal' in Firefly getting gigs!!

I use to hate Jack but so far he is the only one that can keep the 'others' on their toes, I take that back so can Sawyer. The both of them take risks when the 'others' haven't even thought of them. Which I like because I can't stand it when one side is so smart the other side has no change other than luck!!
 

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~Jack seems to have chosen what he believes to be the lesser of two evils: Ben. As twisted as he is, Ben seems to be a man of his word, and I think Jack must see that, too.

I think Jack's moralitly will not allow him to let Ben die on the table, I think he can shoot someone in self defense or in defense of another person, but don't think he could kill somoene in cold blood and that he will save Ben one way or the other.

~Jack doesn't realize that he's sending Kate (and Sawyer?) on a fruitless escape attempt. Only Sawyer and Kate know they're on a small island off the coast of "thier" island.

Kate was trying to tell him that it was pointless and I am sure that will be an opening in the next ep.

~I'm surprised Jack, despite his appearent jealousy, didn't make Sawyer and Kate part of his deal with Ben.

I think Jack planned this thing out from the begining which is why he didn't make Kate/Sawyer part of his deal with Ben. I think he doesn't trust Ben and figured this was the only way to get Kate and Sawyer free. Plus being a real Doctor he figures he has much more value to the others then Kate/Sawyer so he will have other opportunities to escape if needed and much easier with the other 2 gone. Plus if Ben is a man of his word he still has to honor that agreement becaue the agreement Jack and he made was Jack would save him in return for him getting off the Island. Jack's freeing Kate/Sawyer is seperate from the agreement he has with Ben, he is taking a page from the Others with this move and good for him!
 

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How many guns can you shoot at once? I would have taken a rifle though.

It's the amount of ammo that annoyed me...

I just figured it would be easier to have two or three guns ready to go rather than have to reload.

Oh, and, yeah, totally take one of the rifles.
 

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So my question is more medical, is it really plausible that Jack can intentionally cut the kidney sack and confidently say he'll be dead in an hour? Can he really be sure he won't die in 10 minutes and suddenly he loses his bargaining chip? Seems like they did that so we could listen to the beeping of his blood pressure monitor the way we used to listen to the beeping of the countdown in the hatch?

He said if I don't stitch it up he'll die in an hour, why can't Juliet stitch it up is it that technical etc?
 

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So my question is more medical, is it really plausible that Jack can intentionally cut the kidney sack and confidently say he'll be dead in an hour? Can he really be sure he won't die in 10 minutes and suddenly he loses his bargaining chip? Seems like they did that so we could listen to the beeping of his blood pressure monitor the way we used to listen to the beeping of the countdown in the hatch?

He said if I don't stitch it up he'll die in an hour, why can't Juliet stitch it up is it that technical etc?

2 possibilities - #1 maybe Juliet can sew it up but she was serious about wanting Ben dead and thus she hasn't spoken up about being able to do so. #2 Juliet did specify she wasn't really a doctor and maybe Jack did do something specific that a non-doctor couldn't really fix?
 

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So my question is more medical, is it really plausible that Jack can intentionally cut the kidney sack and confidently say he'll be dead in an hour? Can he really be sure he won't die in 10 minutes and suddenly he loses his bargaining chip? Seems like they did that so we could listen to the beeping of his blood pressure monitor the way we used to listen to the beeping of the countdown in the hatch?

He said if I don't stitch it up he'll die in an hour, why can't Juliet stitch it up is it that technical etc?

I'll take this one further - if Juliet wanted, she could just say "let him die then". Its a huge poker type bluff. Jack obviously didn't believe the video she played for him. But she could make the all in bet, say "let Benry die" and Jack would have no hand.

The other guy in the OR with the radio, he would go along with the play if she told him to. Jack doesn't really hold any cards here. If the whole video thing was part of a grand plan by the others, he would probably be in the know of the plan as well. If Juliet really wanted Benry to die, it works for her there as well. "oh well, I tried to bluff Jack and it didn't work."

Either way, Juliet wins.
 

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I'll take this one further - if Juliet wanted, she could just say "let him die then". Its a huge poker type bluff. Jack obviously didn't believe the video she played for him. But she could make the all in bet, say "let Benry die" and Jack would have no hand.

The other guy in the OR with the radio, he would go along with the play if she told him to. Jack doesn't really hold any cards here. If the whole video thing was part of a grand plan by the others, he would probably be in the know of the plan as well. If Juliet really wanted Benry to die, it works for her there as well. "oh well, I tried to bluff Jack and it didn't work."

Either way, Juliet wins.

That could be true but she didn't interrupt Jacks rant to get Kate on the radio. I suppose she could still tell Jack to let Ben die and then the decission to falls back on Jack. I think Jack has no problem letting Ben die if it saves the life of Kate and potentially Sawyer. But if Jack see his plan falling apart he would more than likely fix Ben, then again maybe not.

Also, I always thought the orginal camp for the Lost was on the east side of the island.
 

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If Juliett is serious about wanting Ben to die, she could have served her purpose with less risk of being discovered by just pissing ******** so much that he didn't want to do the operation. Let Ben die slow.
 

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If Juliett is serious about wanting Ben to die, she could have served her purpose with less risk of being discovered by just pissing ******** so much that he didn't want to do the operation. Let Ben die slow.

Then she would be in a bad way with the others as being a 3rd party to Ben's death.
 

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If Juliett is serious about wanting Ben to die, she could have served her purpose with less risk of being discovered by just pissing ******** so much that he didn't want to do the operation. Let Ben die slow.

If she really wanted him dead you're right the way it's going now makes her look less culpable but maybe she pegged that Jack would do something like this and she could just hope Ben dies?

that way it looks like she tried to save him, Jack is the bad guy, and she gets what she wanted.

The other thing that confuses me but I think it's just my memory. Why is the guy so intent on killing Sawyer "for colleen" when Sawyer had nothing to do with HER death? They know it was Sun that shot her, they know it was Jack that tried to save her after Juliet failed, so why is he blaming it all on Sawyer? Am I forgetting something is he just the punching bag they've chosen?
 

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I think that's it. He and Sawyer have butted heads so it's easy for him to take out his anger at all of the survivors on Sawyer.

Yeah. Plus, they need Jack and Kate is nice for them to look at so all that's left is Sawyer.
 

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Who believed the knockin-boots scene with Kate and Sawyer all grubby?

I suppose after awhile you can't really tell you stink. Anyone have the email address to the President of Iran to confirm?
 

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One other thing that bugs me. Ben's comment about 2 days after he finds out he has a tumor on his spine "a spinal surgeon drops out of the sky."

If Jack wasn't on Jacob's original list(whatever that is) is that why they waited so long to take Jack,because they didn't know who Jack was? If so, why wasn't Jack on the list, he was on the manifest Hurley had, remember when they figured out Ethan was an other?

So either there's some weird reason why Jack isn't on the list, or they just waited and took other people before bothering to go after him which makes no sense?
 

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Funny. All Ben promised to Jack was to get him off of "this" island.

Oh yeah...absolutely. You just know Ben will play that card too. "Well Jack, I am a man of my word. I will get you off of this island and take you back to yours." Evil Eyes Closeup.
 

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