Lost - The Final Season (Spoilers)

[Chaplin]

Best Lost line

"Do you know how to use a gun?"

There's been a couple so far...

"No, I am not a zombie."

"I guess I better put some pants on."

 

[HoodieBets]

To me one of the biggest questions now is who is the kid and why can only certain people see him like sawyer and MIB when others can not? And what did he mean when he said you know the rules?

 

[Chaplin]

To me one of the biggest questions now is who is the kid and why can only certain people see him like sawyer and MIB when others can not? And what did he mean when he said you know the rules?

I have a loose theory that Sawyer will be the "new" Jacob. All ties to his other relationships are being severed, and Fake Locke is using him to get off the island. If he gets Sawyer to help him get off the island, he achieves two goals--one, MIB gets off the island and two, Sawyer never becomes Jacob because he too is off the island.

Again, very loose.

 

[DWKB]

For the most part true but in this instance it might simply be that MIB doesn't know the significance of the numbers.

The reason I don't think it's Jacob's cave or his wall writings:

1) Jacob has dwelt in the foot of the statue since before the Black Rock arrived up to his death at the hands of Ben. Why would he also have a "secret cave"?

2) Jacob was shown to be a excellent weaver of magnificent detail taking painstakingly long time. The scribblings in the cave were messy, rambling, and quickly scribbled.

 

[DWKB]

To me one of the biggest questions now is who is the kid and why can only certain people see him like sawyer and MIB when others can not? And what did he mean when he said you know the rules?

To me the biggest question is "who is Adam and Eve" that we met in Season 1?

 

[HoodieBets]

To me the biggest question is "who is Adam and Eve" that we met in Season 1?

I have a feeling that might never be answered but its funny how it had the black and white pieces just like in lockes backgammon game. The black for eve the temptress and white for adam pure and innocent before eve

 

[Pariah]

I'm sure I'll kick myself when one of you answers, but who is "MIB?"

 

[TBaslim]

They are slowly and surely showing you the ending throughout the season. The survivors stopped whatever gave the island its power and evidently caused it to sink.

So what you are seeing is one timeline showing how it was stopped and the other that shows the result.

This certainly would mirror the non-linear storytelling techniquest they have used throughout the show.

Of course, knowing that we know that fact, the show runners might just change it all up to surprise everyone.

 

[earthsci]

I'm sure I'll kick myself when one of you answers, but who is "MIB?"

The guy who was stuck on the island with Jacob.

 

[TBaslim]

I'm sure I'll kick myself when one of you answers, but who is "MIB?"

At the end of last season (i think), we find out that Jacob, who is kind-of the island demi-god supposedly motivating the actions of the Others, etc, had a long-time foe/rival/?? who does not have an official name.

When we first are showed him and Jacob on a beach, Jacob is dressed in white, and the other guy is dressed in black. Hence, 'Man-in-black', or MIB.

Since then, we learned that the 'Locke' wandering around the island since the second plane crash was not really the Locke we all knew (whose dead body was just buried in the last episode), but MIB appearing in the form of Locke. Hence some call him 'FLocke', or 'Fake Locke'.

Then (this show is so great), we learned that MIB is also the Smoke Monster. Unclear if that is his 'true form', or just something he can do.

Finally, we learned last week that, for again unknown reasons, MIB is 'stuck' in the form of Locke now. So, he will not be showing up looking like other dead folks on the island.

When you see Locke ON THE ISLAND, it's the MIB/Smoke Monster/probably-evil-but-who-really-knows-with-this-show guy.

Locke in the alt-universe off island is still the 'real Locke'.

 

[Pariah]

When we first are showed him and Jacob on a beach, Jacob is dressed in white, and the other guy is dressed in black. Hence, 'Man-in-black', or MIB.

Got it. I'm up to speed, but I just didn't catch this unofficial name.

Thanks!

 

[Louis]

I'm sure I'll kick myself when one of you answers, but who is "MIB?"

The galaxy defenders

 

[Pariah]

The galaxy defenders

I must have had my mind wiped.

 

[Gaddabout]

When you see Locke ON THE ISLAND, it's the MIB/Smoke Monster/probably-evil-but-who-really-knows-with-this-show guy.

It really is questionable, because he's also the embodiment of the argument for free agency, free will, and choice in this show. Because of it, his lasting argument with Jacob is that men are evil by nature. The fact that he's taken over the body/look of Locke, who embodied faith for the first five seasons, is something of a red herring. Or maybe just MiB's sense of irony in proving his point to Jacob.

So depending on what side of the free will/predestination argument you fall on, you may or may not enjoy the writers' interpretation of that argument. They do seem to be making their case for a kind of secular Calvinism, slightly unhinged but more or less in its original form.

 

[TBaslim]

Care to elaborate the definition of secular Calvinism, in the context of Lost?

(Bonus points if you do, as that will raise this forum to the level of a true Lost fan-board. Ya ain't fans of Lost until you're relating it to wider philosophical and spiritual themes far outside the bounds of normal TV shows. )

 

[devilalum]

There's been a couple so far...

"No, I am not a zombie."

"I guess I better put some pants on."

"We're the Good Guys"

 

[devilalum]

Care to elaborate the definition of secular Calvinism, in the context of Lost?

(Bonus points if you do, as that will raise this forum to the level of a true Lost fan-board. Ya ain't fans of Lost until you're relating it to wider philosophical and spiritual themes far outside the bounds of normal TV shows. )

Why don't you enlighten us?

 

[bankybruce]

Got it. I'm up to speed, but I just didn't catch this unofficial name.

Thanks!

Stands for Man in Black

 

[bankybruce]

I have a loose theory that Sawyer will be the "new" Jacob. All ties to his other relationships are being severed, and Fake Locke is using him to get off the island. If he gets Sawyer to help him get off the island, he achieves two goals--one, MIB gets off the island and two, Sawyer never becomes Jacob because he too is off the island.

Again, very loose.

Maybe Sawyer is the new MIB and that is the only way he can leave is to find his replacement. Jack vs. Sawyer Good vs. Evil

 

[Gaddabout]

Care to elaborate the definition of secular Calvinism, in the context of Lost?

Do I have to convert all 5 points to secularism? LOL.

They've split it up, really. They seem to have divided predestination (the Jacob side) with total depravity (the MiB side). True Calvinism fuses the two so they are inseparable. Jacob, for whatever reason, is out to prove man is inherently good. But they all apparently are predestined for some role on the island, the elect, if you will, for a role in Jacob's kingdom.

I say secular Calvinism because they seemed to have avoided launching an all out support of predetermination, the scientific (and truly secular) theory of predestination. They've also put a heavy emphasis on faith and chosen god-like figures with overt references to Egyptian mythology. But they've defined it by a mostly acceptable version of morality and haven't limited it to any specific kind of faith so I still consider it secular. Or possibly just pan-theological.

 

[HoodieBets]

ok so after tonights episode we have to wonder how much claire knows and is the person who is trying to get to the island CW? It would have to be either him or christian. Plus who is the mother of jacks son and why did that rabbit and house seem so familiar? I wish there would be one episode this season where i didnt have more questions.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i'll readily admit that my opinion may be colored more and more by the increasing info I get from certain people in the know who helped put this show together, but IMO, the show's going the way of BSG. Now, these writers have pulled the show from the fire before so I'll keep watching, but I'm dubious about it's ability to end on a high note.

 

[Chaplin]

Liked tonight's episode, but there were A LOT more questions than answers in this one.

The worry for me is that they are introducing so much new stuff that it's going to seem forced when they finally tie everything up.

P.S.: Glad the writers haven't forgotten about Adam and Eve.

 

[Shane]

P.S.: Glad the writers haven't forgotten about Adam and Eve.

 

[Gaddabout]

That was a very strange development this week. Instead of reeling it in they pushed everything farther to the edge. I guess they did set Jack up for his final transformation.

*shrug*