Mahomes

[juza76]

That is the feeling I am getting. Radio guys have been saying last few days that ARZ is not going QB at #13. But again that's not to say they won't if they trade down.

Radio guys doesn't have any clue
Not leak of news from the organization, just they give wrong input to someone
Darren urban doesn't say much but u can get something by some of his comments, and clearly they want draft the qb of the future, and at 13 is a very likely option

 

[JeffGollin]

The sense I got from BA's interview was that they would remain faithful to their Board (remember Boards)?

i.e. If a QB was available at #13 who had close to a #13 rating, they'd draft him. But they wouldn't, say, reach for a 3rd round-rated QB in the 1st or 2nd round.

Since we have no clue as to what the Cardinal Board looks like, guessing what they'll do is an EIF (stands for Exercise in Futility).

 

[Ronin]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account@AdamSchefter 43s43 seconds ago
Patrick Mahomes II said on @espn he is going back to Indianapolis this week to have his left wrist re-examined during NFL medical re-checks.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't understand the hype for him. Sure he's big and has a strong arm but that's where it seems to end. If they go developmental I'd prefer Dobbs or Kaaya.

If given the attention one gives a first rounder... Dobbs could be special

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't understand the hype for him. Sure he's big and has a strong arm but that's where it seems to end. If they go developmental I'd prefer Dobbs or Kaaya.

Kaaya is a total turd. That guy has no NFL future, he falls apart under pressure.

 

[HGC]

Kaaya is a total turd. That guy has no NFL future, he falls apart under pressure.

Says the Johnny Manziel fan. The only thing you take into account about a quarterback is athletic ability, arm strength and sick throws.
You probably thought JeMarcus Russell was a future Hall of Famer.

 

[HGC]

If given the attention one gives a first rounder... Dobbs could be special

I'd take Dobbs over Webb any day of the week.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Says the Johnny Manziel fan. The only thing you take into account about a quarterback is athletic ability, arm strength and sick throws.
You probably thought JeMarcus Russell was a future Hall of Famer.

Relevance to my comment on Kaaya?

There is a reason Kaaya has gone from round 1/2 consideration to being considered lightly for day three. He plays horribly when pressured by a defense.

 

[HGC]

Relevance to my comment on Kaaya?

There is a reason Kaaya has gone from round 1/2 consideration to being considered lightly for day three. He plays horribly when pressured by a defense.

It's relevant because it's shows what you value in a quarterback or rather what you don't value. It's why your top 2 quarterbacks this year played in a system that has Case Keenum and Nick Foles as a benchmark of success yet you think both guys will break the mold and one of them will be capable of playing after one training camp.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's relevant because it's shows what you value in a quarterback or rather what you don't value. It's why your top 2 quarterbacks this year played in a system that has Case Keenum and Nick Foles as a benchmark of success yet you think both guys will break the mold and one of them will be capable of playing after one training camp.

What do you know about what I value? You have been here how long? You don't have to be a prick; I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Teams value playing in Pro styles less than fans do. Dismissing players because of the system they played in is ridiculous to some extent. That was the knock on Aaron Rodgers even though he clearly had the talent. Cam Newton played in a system that was nothing like a pro offense. Dak Prescott played in the same system as Newton. It is clearly a ******** argument, but hey you can keep using it if you want to look like a fool.

 

[perivolaki]

Was trying to remember something on Mahomes. I happen to be an Iowa State fan and Mahomes had an awful game against them. TT lost 66-10, Mahomes was 18 for 36, 1TD 2int, and 219 yards..

Remembering back I found that a defensive lineman had said that the coaches noticed that Mahomes was not effective when moving to his right but liked going to his left and was much more dangerous. The coaches devised a scheme where they put their best pass rushers on the right side of the defensive line and forced Mahomes to his own right.

Don't know if I have all the facts correct but I do remember a player saying that coaches found a weakness and exploited it. If they can find it I'm sure NFL coaches will find it.

 

[crdnl85]

If I may play DA for a moment. We all keep mentioning all the QBs we have drafted and/or tried to mentor this century, including a Heisman winner and one or more big strong arm QBs, and we all are quick to point out what a failure and how bad they all turned out. Has anyone really questioned if the problem is in the Cards' coaching or system of bringing these youngsters along? Are they all failing do to just their own ineptitude or inability to grasp the pro game? Or is it possible one or more might have succeeded if under a different system or team of coaches? Just wondering!

It is my firm belief that Matt Leinart would have made it in the NFL had it not been for Green bringing in Kurt Warner. Then when Whisenhunt was hired he really appeared to hate Matt. Warner never tried to mentor him, because he wanted the job for himself.

 

[Solar7]

It is my firm belief that Matt Leinart would have made it in the NFL had it not been for Green bringing in Kurt Warner. Then when Whisenhunt was hired he really appeared to hate Matt. Warner never tried to mentor him, because he wanted the job for himself.

I agree.

I think the challenge we've had with other QBs, to @SissyBoyFloyd's point, is that with the exception of Leinart, these have all been guys with awful completion percentages, small schools/poor competiton, or clear physical limitations in the era of the modern Cardinals. We haven't tried to groom anyone that's decently regarded by the rest of the NFL in the modern era. We've drafted 3 guys in the 3rd round or above in the past 20 years, with only one that could be considered a bust. That's really not a bad track record if you think about it.

We need to see what our staff can do with someone who doesn't have glaring warts on them.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It is my firm belief that Matt Leinart would have made it in the NFL had it not been for Green bringing in Kurt Warner. Then when Whisenhunt was hired he really appeared to hate Matt. Warner never tried to mentor him, because he wanted the job for himself.

Totally agree...Matt should have been given time to develop...good, bad or ugly...and have his confidence built up, instead of Whis coming in an doing the 2 QB tango.

 

[MadCardDisease]

It is my firm belief that Matt Leinart would have made it in the NFL had it not been for Green bringing in Kurt Warner. Then when Whisenhunt was hired he really appeared to hate Matt. Warner never tried to mentor him, because he wanted the job for himself.

I disagree. Leinart came in as an entitled kid who didn't have the work ethic to make it in the NFL. He was given the starting job but proved that he didn't have what it took to be a NFL caliber QB. Aaron Rodgers dealt with the same situation with Brett Farve.

 

[kerouac9]

I disagree. Leinart came in as an entitled kid who didn't have the work ethic to make it in the NFL. He was given the starting job but proved that he didn't have what it took to be a NFL caliber QB. Aaron Rodgers dealt with the same situation with Brett Farve.

Really? When was Rodgers pulled for Brett Favre after he got the starting job? Rodgers was firmly planted on the bench for THREE YEARS before Favre retired and Rodgers was given the job.

You can argue that Leinart should've overcome the lack of faith that the Whisenhunt staff showed him, but there isn't a close corrollary to what happened with Leinart and Warner, except maybe Dak Prescott and Tony Romo.

 

[Solar7]

I disagree. Leinart came in as an entitled kid who didn't have the work ethic to make it in the NFL. He was given the starting job but proved that he didn't have what it took to be a NFL caliber QB. Aaron Rodgers dealt with the same situation with Brett Farve.

I really never got this perception of Matt. Maybe it's because he and I are roughly the same age, and I had a fair amount of friends in the NFL at the time (really close friend played for the Chargers, so I got to be the tag along guy, haha) but short of that hot tub photo, he kept pretty clean and on the straight and narrow, compared to a lot of guys in the league.

Whiz never really gave him a chance, and messed with his confidence something fierce.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Really? When was Rodgers pulled for Brett Favre after he got the starting job? Rodgers was firmly planted on the bench for THREE YEARS before Favre retired and Rodgers was given the job.

My comparison was that Farve never helped Rodgers in reference to the original post "Warner never tried to mentor him, because he wanted the job for himself". In fact Farve admitted that he did nothing to help Rodgers as he felt it wasn't his job. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[football karma]

It is my firm belief that Matt Leinart would have made it in the NFL had it not been for Green bringing in Kurt Warner.

I m not sure i totally agree, but Leinart was a different player after he broke his collarbone. Played scared after that.

an average arm with a long release didnt help either

 

[Cardiac]

It is my firm belief that Matt Leinart would have made it in the NFL had it not been for Green bringing in Kurt Warner. Then when Whisenhunt was hired he really appeared to hate Matt. Warner never tried to mentor him, because he wanted the job for himself.

I think Leinart would have made it in the NFL if he wasn't a lazy wimp and actually worked hard to be a professional.

 

[Solar7]

I think Leinart would have made it in the NFL if he wasn't a lazy wimp and actually worked hard to be a professional.

Baffles me how someone can call someone a "lazy wimp" that they've never spent a day in their life with.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Leinart didn't make it because his body failed him. He didn't have the sack or the body. He played well when he got the chance but his team didn't have faith in him and he got hurt when he got hit. Sad story. He had the talent for sure.

 

[Cardiac]

Baffles me how someone can call someone a "lazy wimp" that they've never spent a day in their life with.

I'm just reading tea leaves like others who say Whiz hurt ML's feelings and ruined him. I bet you if Warner ever spoke fully about it he would also say ML didn't put in the work necessary to be an NFL QB.

So I guess we are both baffled about assumptions each camp is making.

 

[Solar7]

I'm just reading tea leaves like others who say Whiz hurt ML's feelings and ruined him. I bet you if Warner ever spoke fully about it he would also say ML didn't put in the work necessary to be an NFL QB.

So I guess we are both baffled about assumptions each camp is making.

Clearly he failed somehow. No arguing that. But there's a big valley between "maybe didn't put in the work," "gunshy after breaking his collarbone," and the pretty clear idea that the guy just didn't feel he could do enough to impress Whiz, and calling him a "lazy wimp." I wouldn't call a man that and expect not to back it up with my fists.

He showed flashes, and subsequently had his confidence gutted. It's not the first or the last time a QB's swagger has been taken from the game, or that a boss has made an employee feel like they just can't win.

 

[TheCardFan]

Let's not sugarcoat it...Leinart sucked. There were many reasons he didn't make it but the biggest one of them all was a lack of NFL talent. The rest are just excuses.

Drafting Leinart was one of the greatest draft days in my Cardinal memory but the guy was a bust.