Marc stein - KG wants SUNNNNSSSS!!!

[az1965]

You do realize that all those highlights are from before the surgery.

He wasn't able to explode like that this year, maybe he'll get back to that level next season.

And you do realize that the way Amare came back and the kind of year he had is way above normal?

Yes, I expect him to be more explosive next year. He seems to be on a mission. Also, he is working on other aspects of his game so it is not only dunking.

 

[Crash]

You do realize that all those highlights are from before the surgery.

He wasn't able to explode like that this year, maybe he'll get back to that level next season.

I think he is already almost back. Here are some highlights from this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LhubwkBhmw

 

[slinslin]

You are right Ouchie..

And when I look what Tmac, Shaq, Vince, Iverson returned in trades where they didn't demand a trade specifically like this may turn out...basically we need KG to now go out and demand a trade to Phoenix basically and Minnesota will have to take what we offer.

No way Minnesota could get Amare for KG , I mean that would be MORE than equal value.

 

[hcsilla]

I think (from day one) that the negotiations for acquiring of KG start with the Diaw, Amare package.

That way the Suns save some money, they just have to agree after including Diaw which team has to compensate the other.

 

[Crash]

you could argue that, but a) you'd be wrong and b) no one else would even try to make that argument.

a KG-Amare deal is a lateral move at best for a contending team. Why would we make a move that makes us no better than we are now AND kill our future? That makes no sense.

DING! That is why you don't make that move.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

DING! That is why you don't make that move.

KG makes us significantly better.

 

[Cheesebeef]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOVrErrLeTU

better?

even though most of the REALLY disgusting plays are still from pre-micro, he's still just so freaking good and he's just gonna continue to get better. The guy wants it just as bad as anyone else in the NBA - the leaps and bounds we saw through his first three years were METEORIC and then he comes back from the most devastating surgery known to sports and HE IS FIRST-TEAM ALL NBA. Although it does sadden me a little bit to believe he will never be the absolutely Bron-esque freak that he was pre-micro, he's still a MONSTER and I think we'll see more of the monster next season than we did this season.

Trading this kid would be the height of stupidity, especially for a 31 year old KG that makes us no better in the present and destroys any hope for the future.

 

[boisesuns]

I think (from day one) that the negotiations for acquiring of KG start with the Diaw, Amare package.

That way the Suns save some money, they just have to agree after including Diaw which team has to compensate the other.

I don't even think you consider it if it's amare let alone amare plus someone else.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i'm Calling My Shot, People!

 

[Cheesebeef]

i just need for it to happen already. enough of all this.

lemme pose this question:

can any of you remember a time when a superstar that had some hold over a team like kg does over minny right now, came out publicly and called for a trade to a single particular team, and that team (the suns) coveted him back, and the deal did NOT eventually get made? i honestly cannot recall such a situation.

maybe it's just hopeful thinking, but i can't believe that a player wants a team, a team wants a player, the player's current team has little leverage, and the deal doesn't get figured out? i can't believe that'll happen.

. . . so i'm calling my shot . . . somehow we get kg without giving up amare. it's gonna happen.

well, if that ain't the kiss of death, I don't know what is.

 

[hsandhu]

i just need for it to happen already. enough of all this.

lemme pose this question:

can any of you remember a time when a superstar that had some hold over a team like kg does over minny right now, came out publicly and called for a trade to a single particular team, and that team (the suns) coveted him back, and the deal did NOT eventually get made? i honestly cannot recall such a situation.

maybe it's just hopeful thinking, but i can't believe that a player wants a team, a team wants a player, the player's current team has little leverage, and the deal doesn't get figured out? i can't believe that'll happen.

. . . so i'm calling my shot . . . somehow we get kg without giving up amare. it's gonna happen.

If he only wants to be traded to us then you may be right, but we don't know that FOR SURE.

 

[devilalum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOVrErrLeTU

better?

I'm not being critical of Amare I'm just saying #1 doesn't elevate like #32 used to.

Watch Amare vs. Duncan in the playoffs 2 years ago when he averaged 37 points a game. He was dunking in TDs face at will. This year Duncan would block his shot when he tried that.

He's a better all around player but he deosn't elevate like #32.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't even think you consider it if it's amare let alone amare plus someone else.

totally agree. If it's KG plus their pick, MAYBE you think about it for more than a second, but giving up the FIRST TEAM ALL-NBA CENTER WHO'S 24 YEARS OLD + Diaw for a second team F, who's 31, no way in hell is our FO that stupid.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

well, if that ain't the kiss of death, I don't know what is.

was it the kiss of death with the 2001 world series? no. i feel it in my loins.

 

[Cheesebeef]

KG makes us significantly better.

in no universe is this true. he makes us at best the same AND older. No thank you.

 

[Cheesebeef]

was it the kiss of death with the 2001 world series? no. i feel it in my loins.

that was the D-Backs, not the Suns. We're always wrong with the Suns, or do I have to remind you how despondent you were after you were SURE we were going to get ATL's pick this year? For days, Ouchie. For days. Don't do this to yourself again.

 

[BirdMan21]

Does "DB!" work for aquiring players that want to play for your team?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Does "DB!" work for aquiring players that want to play for your team?

DB! is dead and buried and if you don't believe me, ouchie post the link.

That freaking thing wasn't a blessing, it was a g-damn CURSE!

 

[arwillan]

in no universe is this true. he makes us at best the same AND older. No thank you.

you can not deny his presence in the lane is a lot different than amare's defensively. he also is a much better passer and one-on-one defender. i think he does improve our team without a doubt, but does he improve us in the way we need to be improved? i say no doubt yes. the only downside is his age IMO

 

[hsandhu]

whoo boy, the gloves have come off for hsandu! I like it!

I think you realize as much as me and so do many other posters, I can't remember exactly who said it earlier in this thread, but the ramifications of what happen with this thing are tremendous.

And they could be tremendously positive or tremendously negative. In many ways this is the last straw with shawn marion, at least on my part.

We've put up with his constant bitching about being underappreciated, not getting award consideration that is frankly ridiculous for him to be asking for (dpoy, mvp, are you kidding me) and then recently even pondering that he may actually enjoy being in another situation.

All this despite the fact that he is in the PERFECT situation for him in every way. He's making max money, gets his numbers, gets all-star games and always gets his flaws minimized by the local media and fans (his inability to create any offense himself, getting TORCHED by every bid d assignment he has, not delivering in the playoffs).

And now after what we went throught the last month, this dude is gonna screw us from what would be the biggest move in franchise history (yeah I said it, bigger than barkley, bigger than nash), when he's getting what he seemed to fantasize about.

 

[elindholm]

DB! is dead and buried

Jesus, that's what it stood for?

 

[Cheesebeef]

you can not deny his presence in the lane is a lot different than amare's defensively. he also is a much better passer and one-on-one defender. i think he does improve our team without a doubt, but does he improve us in the way we need to be improved? i say no doubt yes. the only downside is his age IMO

he's also not the offensive juggernaut Amare is and his defense on Duncan is over-rated. He also hasn't shown the ability to completely elevate his game in the playoffs, whereas Amare EXCELS in that area, posting SICK numbers in the playoffs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

DB! is dead and buried and if you don't believe me, ouchie post the link.

That freaking thing wasn't a blessing, it was a g-damn CURSE!

i don't have the link, but our third brother (he who shall remain postless) was offroading with friends in northern AZ and came across an extremely old (i wanted to say "ancient" for effect, but that just wouldn't be true) graveyard out in the middle of nowhere. there were a lot of large tomstones with names, dates, etc. and then there was this single, very small tombstone with only the letters "D" and "B" on it. no date. no other words. no actual name. just "D B" - so third brother (he who shall remain postless) took a phot and sent it to us. very odd. and amazingly enough, a true story. DB is truly dead.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jesus, that's what it stood for?

it sure as heck fire does now. ever since that thing was created we've seen: JJ get injured in 2005, Amare, KT AND Raja get injured in 2006 and then we had the suspensions in 2007. If that ain't proof of a complete and utter jinx, I don't know what is.

 

[cly2tw]

As long as Marion gets shut down by PGs like Terry and Parker, which allows Howard and Bowen to cover Nash, the Suns will not get past Spurs or even the Mavs. Whether we get KG is not as important as to ship off Marion!