Marc stein: Suns to court Mayo

[NashDishesDimes]

According to Marc Stein, if New Orleans matches Gordon, his "desert sources" say one thing is definite: the suns will court Mayo hard

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

I dont know who on here reported that Mayo agreed with Indiana on a 2 yr 16.5M deal but i havent seen that anywhere. This report from Marc Stein was made at 11pm tonight so i dont think he agreed to anything with Indiana.

 

[Phrazbit]

Terrified to think of what we might offer.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

I want to like Mayo but boi after looking at his career stats just now he really has regressed since his rookie year. His FG%, 3PT%, FT% have all decreased rather significantly. Take a look:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4389/career;_ylt=AnWb6UwAk8ZUYxrZunmmfSLOPaB4

How weird is that? I dont know how some of you could say you would rather have Mayo than Gordon..thats rediculous, even Bayless seems a lot better

It seems to me that at 35mpg we could expect something like 17ppg, 4 rebs, 4 assts on about 43% shooting. Id rather have Shannon Brown and his defense at a much ccheaper price after looking at Mayos stats.

 

[Mainstreet]

I want to like Mayo but boi after looking at his career stats just now he really has regressed since his rookie year. His FG%, 3PT%, FT% have all decreased rather significantly. Take a look:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4389/career;_ylt=AnWb6UwAk8ZUYxrZunmmfSLOPaB4

How weird is that? I dont know how some of you could say you would rather have Mayo than Gordon..thats rediculous, even Bayless seems a lot better

It seems to me that at 35mpg we could expect something like 17ppg, 4 rebs, 4 assts on about 43% shooting. Id rather have Shannon Brown and his defense at a much ccheaper price after looking at Mayos stats.

I think a lot of fans do not want to pay Gordon the max, hence the names of Mayo and Bayless come up. I think Bayless is going to sign with the Grizzlies. The Suns need to hang onto their ability to sign a player to the max next season along with their picks to be a player when the opportunity arises. I want the Suns to look at SGs who can be had for a reasonable contract to help keep this CAP space. I'm certainly not locked into Mayo if he commands a high price.

 

[leclerc]

I agree with you Mainstreet. I think Gordon is a better player than Mayo, but Gordon has had injuries and I don't think he's a max contract player. Mayo should theoretically be a solid starter and an improvement over Shannon Brown, but if we can't sign him for a reasonable contract then just pass on him. Make him bite on a shorter contract and promise him the starting job, so he can play for a max contract down the road.

 

[Joe Mama]

What happened to his deal with Indiana?

Joe

 

[az jam]

Suns would like some Mayo
ESPN
The New Orleans Hornets have maintained they will match the max four-year, $58 million offer sheet Eric Gordon plans to sign with the Phoenix Suns and that was confirmed again on Tuesday to The Times-Picayune.

Once the Hornets match the offer sheet, the Suns will go back to the free agent market for a guard and ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports their target is O.J. Mayo. From Stein: "... desert sources say this is definite: O.J. Mayo will be courted hard by Suns."

The other team that has a lot of interest in Mayo is the Indiana Pacers. The team thought they had him in 2011, but the trade came past the deadline.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Certainly there are questions on Mayo but he appears to be far and away our best option this year and next year. If it were a choice between Mayo and Hardin the choice is easy. Unfortunately we have no chance at Hardin. There just is not anyone better available than Mayo in free agency this year or next and we do not have any the assets to acquire a better player via trade. Our lottery pick next year should be used for the best player available.

In reviewing Mayo's stats they have went into the dumpster the past two seasons. In his first two years they were just fine. I believe the game changed with Gasol and Randolph basically dominating the offensive end the past two seasons. While it was better for the team it may have changed the offense so that Mayo was turned into a spot up shooter. His three point % has fallen but still is pretty good. What has really fallen is his overall Shooting percentage. Again is this because of him or because of a change in the offense.

I do not see anyone a whole lot better available. Mayo was a high draft pick because he has/had talent. We need talent in the worst way.

I am all for signing him for a reasonable amount, whatever that is. If New Orleans matches our offer to Gordon I will not lose any sleeep. I just don't see him as a max player. I don't see Mayo as one either at this point but he could turn into one down the road.

 

[carey]

I hope this doesn't happen for Phrazbit's sake. He might combust if there are two high lottery wash outs on the team getting paid for what they might become and not what they are.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Its going to be 8-9 million. And no, not many will think its reasonable. Its just the market.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I hope this doesn't happen for Phrazbit's sake. He might combust if there are two high lottery wash outs on the team getting paid for what they might become and not what they are.

It certainly will give us more to talk about.

One day it would be beat up Beasley the next would be beat up Mayo and Goran could also be thrown into the mix if he sucks, which he could.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I'll take Mayo at $9m over Gordon at $16m.

This is a MUCH better plan as Mayo could expect to roll to the bench as our 6th when we get a permanent 2 with our high draft pick. But, he's a good starter for the 1.5 years or so until we have that 2 stability and star power.

 

[Russ Smith]

Having Mayo and Beasley on the same team would be interesting. They were close friends in highschool from AAU ball and hey had some of the same issues off the court.

You would have to hope they've both matured otherwise it could be a really bad thing putting them together.

 

[AsUdUdE]

MAyo is 24, he averaged 18 PPG as a rookie who was starting.. He improved his FG% his sophomore year, while decreasing his TO rate..

in 2010 he lost his starting job to one of the, if not the best perimeter defender in the league, and saw a system shift when Ivoroni was fired and Hollins was brought in. All of a sudden, MAyo went from starting on a running team being "The Man", to a guy who was not Hollins guy, and did not fit what they wanted to do..

To put things in perspective, the Grizz averaged 103 PPG with Ivoroni, and just 91 PPG with Hollins last year.. A HUGE system and mind change.. There is a reason Mayo was not offered anything, he does not fit their system, period..

When you really look at the stats, one thing is telling. When Mayo is the man, he can be dominant, when he is a role player off the bench he is not nearly as effective..

Bring him in, let him start and run with the Suns.. That is what he needs, that is what WE need..

3-4 year deal somewhere in the 7-8 million range is fair market value, and I would start actually getting excited about the Suns again.. which would be incredible..

 

[Griffin]

in 2010 he lost his starting job to one of the, if not the best perimeter defender in the league, and saw a system shift when Ivoroni was fired and Hollins was brought in. All of a sudden, MAyo went from starting on a running team being "The Man", to a guy who was not Hollins guy, and did not fit what they wanted to do..

I'm guessing that being late to practices, getting into fights with teammates, and being suspended for steroid use had something to do with that as well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

MAyo is 24, he averaged 18 PPG as a rookie who was starting.. He improved his FG% his sophomore year, while decreasing his TO rate..

in 2010 he lost his starting job to one of the, if not the best perimeter defender in the league, and saw a system shift when Ivoroni was fired and Hollins was brought in. All of a sudden, MAyo went from starting on a running team being "The Man", to a guy who was not Hollins guy, and did not fit what they wanted to do..

To put things in perspective, the Grizz averaged 103 PPG with Ivoroni, and just 91 PPG with Hollins last year.. A HUGE system and mind change.. There is a reason Mayo was not offered anything, he does not fit their system, period..

When you really look at the stats, one thing is telling. When Mayo is the man, he can be dominant,

dominant stat wise, but impact wise, he wasn't making one. that's my issue with Mayo... and beasely. It seems like we're getting guys who when given the ball can put up pretty stats, while having very little impact on actually winning games.

 

[AsUdUdE]

true, but one of the best things about Mayo is his improving perimeter defense.. Under Hollins apparently Mayo grew leaps and bounds with his defense, and is at least a solid though not spectacular defender, in addition to his ability to score when he has the chance...

 

[JCSunsfan]

dominant stat wise, but impact wise, he wasn't making one. that's my issue with Mayo... and beasely. It seems like we're getting guys who when given the ball can put up pretty stats, while having very little impact on actually winning games.

That remains to be seen. On paper, Mayo and Dragic are not a bad combo. Both are decent sized combo guards who can share duties bringing it up and running the floor. Neither would have to have total pg duties all to himself. If a coach is creative, he will know how to make that work.

Joe Dumars and Isiah Thomas were that kind of combination of skills (I am not saying that these guys would be as good, just saying the roles are similar).

 

[SunsTzu]

dominant stat wise, but impact wise, he wasn't making one. that's my issue with Mayo... and beasely. It seems like we're getting guys who when given the ball can put up pretty stats, while having very little impact on actually winning games.

Exactly, their teams improved as their roles and production diminished. Not to say they can't turn it around, but you don't sign those players based on what they've done thus far in the NBA.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I'm guessing that being late to practices, getting into fights with teammates, and being suspended for steroid use had something to do with that as well.

ok, but there are way worse things than being late to a shoot around once and taking DHEA (allegedly)...

The fight on the plane is bad, but it may very well be a bad blood thing between those two guys and not some debt that is a juicier story...

The bottom line is OJ Mayo is not without blemishes, but to me they are not deal breakers, and by most account in general Mayo seems to be a good teammate and locker room guy..

 

[Phrazbit]

I hope this doesn't happen for Phrazbit's sake. He might combust if there are two high lottery wash outs on the team getting paid for what they might become and not what they are.

lol, I appreciate the concern. For the right price I could tolerate Mayo. He has some dicernable skills. A very talented defender. Certainly has the ability to shoot but struggled with it last year. But if we give him something like 4 years 28+ million... you're right, my head could burst into flames. The contract we just gave Sleasley seems like an appropriate number for Mayo.

It certainly will give us more to talk about.

One day it would be beat up Beasley the next would be beat up Mayo and Goran could also be thrown into the mix if he sucks, which he could.

I like Dragic, I will be bummed if he fails but if I rant and rave about the signing feel free to call me out as a hypocrite.

 

[jlove]

Gordon offer sheet is the opiteme of being "sexy" FA signing for the future. Personally, I'd much rather have Mayo. A few reasons for my desire to have Mayo over Gordon is:

When Mayo was given significant starter minutes, he produced. He's also one of the top backcourt defenders. On top of all that, he'd be 2/3 the cost of Gordon's max offer. With the savings in the cap, we'd have the room to sign a vet SG (Redd) and either match any Lopez offer sheet and/or go after other big(s) to fill out the roster.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Gordon offer sheet is the opiteme of being "sexy" FA signing for the future. Personally, I'd much rather have Mayo. A few reasons for my desire to have Mayo over Gordon is:

When Mayo was given significant starter minutes, he produced. He's also one of the top backcourt defenders. On top of all that, he'd be 2/3 the cost of Gordon's max offer. With the savings in the cap, we'd have the room to sign a vet SG (Redd) and either match any Lopez offer sheet and/or go after other big(s) to fill out the roster.

I wouldn't mind Mayo, but Mayo<Gordon. Yes you pay more for Gordon, but the key to rebuilding is getting the best possible players. Gordon is a bigger risk because of health.

 

[JustWinBaby]

MAyo is 24, he averaged 18 PPG as a rookie who was starting.. He improved his FG% his sophomore year, while decreasing his TO rate..

in 2010 he lost his starting job to one of the, if not the best perimeter defender in the league, and saw a system shift when Ivoroni was fired and Hollins was brought in. All of a sudden, MAyo went from starting on a running team being "The Man", to a guy who was not Hollins guy, and did not fit what they wanted to do..

To put things in perspective, the Grizz averaged 103 PPG with Ivoroni, and just 91 PPG with Hollins last year.. A HUGE system and mind change.. There is a reason Mayo was not offered anything, he does not fit their system, period..

When you really look at the stats, one thing is telling. When Mayo is the man, he can be dominant, when he is a role player off the bench he is not nearly as effective..

Bring him in, let him start and run with the Suns.. That is what he needs, that is what WE need..

3-4 year deal somewhere in the 7-8 million range is fair market value, and I would start actually getting excited about the Suns again.. which would be incredible..

I agree with this entirely expecially about getting excited about the Suns again. I have not been excited about the signing of Gordon quite frankly. If we do end up signing Mayo we could continue to suck big time but I would be watching anyway. Not so sure I would put up losing with a max player on the IR. That is probably our fate and Gordon's fate if we do acquire him.

 

[WildBB]

dominant stat wise, but impact wise, he wasn't making one. that's my issue with Mayo... and beasely. It seems like we're getting guys who when given the ball can put up pretty stats, while having very little impact on actually winning games.

True. Mayo is another over paid role player (Warrick, Childress) . Bring back Shannon Brown. Please.