"Marion would welcome trade to Lakers"

[Griffin]

If he wants to leave that bad, then by all means, trade him. Problem is, I don't trust in the management's ability to get a good deal for him. Oden and Cook? Cook's contract is almost as bad as Banks.

So Lakers get a 4-time all-star who missed a total of 16 games in the last 8 years.
And Lakers unload Cook's contract who will get paid 10.5 mil for the next 3 years and play zero minutes. And we don't have any more draft picks left to dump his contract.

And the Suns get Oden who missed 26 games last year alone and have only reached 80 games/season twice in his career.

Is this the best we can do?

And no, Kobe for Marion won't do, because Marion will never agree to go to the Lakers if Kobe is gone.

 

[pokerface]

If he wants to leave that bad, then by all means, trade him. Problem is, I don't trust in the management's ability to get a good deal for him. Oden and Cook? Cook's contract is almost as bad as Banks.

So Lakers get a 4-time all-star who missed a total of 16 games in the last 8 years.
And Lakers unload Cook's contract who will get paid 10.5 mil for the next 3 years and play zero minutes. And we don't have any more draft picks left to dump his contract.

And the Suns get Oden who missed 26 games last year alone and have only reached 80 games/season twice in his career.

Is this the best we can do?

And no, Kobe for Marion won't do, because Marion will never agree to go to the Lakers if Kobe is gone.

Well we could go the AK route with Utah but he's missed games and came off a bad year.


We cant really cry about Cook because Marions contract is somewhat bloated too.


The point isnt to get total equal value for Marion anyway...its to salvage most the value we can instead of losing him for nothing next season.

OR

We can just keep him this season for one more title shot.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We can just keep him this season for one more title shot.

the risk is too great IMO to do anything but the above. Odom and Kiri just scare the crap out of me. We've got our 8 deep, let's roll the dice and see what happens. If we win the title, Marion can either come back to defend it at 17 million per year or he can opt-out like an idiot, making him look like a greedy fool who doesn't want to play for 17 million dollars for the NBA Champion, while not finding anyone who will pay him anything near that much. And if we keep him and we don't win, well, then major changes will be needed anyway.

Kerr shouldn't be bullied into making this move. Again, I'll never undersdtand changes captains of the ship in the middle of a title run. Having novices at the helm in the GM spot the last couple years has been a problem.

 

[pokerface]

the risk is too great IMO to do anything but the above. Odom and Kiri just scare the crap out of me. We've got our 8 deep, let's roll the dice and see what happens. If we win the title, Marion can either come back to defend it at 17 million per year or he can opt-out like an idiot, making him look like a greedy fool who doesn't want to play for 17 million dollars for the NBA Champion, while not finding anyone who will pay him anything near that much. And if we keep him and we don't win, well, then major changes will be needed anyway.

Kerr shouldn't be bullied into making this move. Again, I'll never undersdtand changes captains of the ship in the middle of a title run. Having novices at the helm in the GM spot the last couple years has been a problem.

Your post seems pretty right on except I think some other team will give him a big mulit year (3 year) deal. Maybe not for the 60 mill Marion wants but I could see a team forking out 50+ mill for 3 years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Your post seems pretty right on except I think some other team will give him a big mulit year (3 year) deal. Maybe not for the 60 mill Marion wants but I could see a team forking out 50+ mill for 3 years.

i'll be surprised if he gets that much. Nash and Ben Wallace's contracts I think are the bench marks for a player like Marion - stars, but not someone teams will want to blow everything on. My guess is a deal averaging out to 12 million per, not 17. No one's gonna pay him that much, at his age, without being ableto create his own shot.

 

[pokerface]

i'll be surprised if he gets that much. Nash and Ben Wallace's contracts I think are the bench marks for a player like Marion - stars, but not someone teams will want to blow everything on. My guess is a deal averaging out to 12 million per, not 17. No one's gonna pay him that much, at his age, without being ableto create his own shot.

Marion still finds a way to score whether he creates his own shot or not. He's been putting up good PPG's his whole career.

I dont know what money Marion will get but I suspect it will be higher than most fans think he will get. He's still putting up real good numbers across the board. Some team will want to plug Marion into thier system real bad.

 

[hcsilla]

Shawn Marion is my biggest personal disappointment since (1999) I became a Suns fan.

I never believed that he was indeed crying, that he wanted indeed more respect.

Now that's a fact.

I thought that he was/is/will be the best complementary player ever of the Suns. In my eyes he still was, he still is, but he surely will not.

About the trades possibilities:

Marion is more durable and productive player than Odom or Kirilenko, doesn't matter in which sytem: in every system, doesn't matter where: everywhere. Therefore any of these trades will go down, the Suns lose.

 

[pokerface]

Shawn Marion is my biggest personal disappointment since (1999) I became a Suns fan..

Why is that? He's one of the most productive players in the league and a multiple allstar. What are your standards exactly?

I thought that he was/is/will be the best complementary player ever of the Suns. In my eyes he still was, he still is, but he surely will not.

This was/is/still one of the most confusing paragraphs I've read in a while.

Marion is more durable and productive player than Odom or Kirilenko, doesn't matter in which sytem: in every system, doesn't matter where: everywhere. Therefore any of these trades will go down, the Suns lose.

Thats why Marions value is high and some team will swoop in next season and offer Marion big money.

 

[hcsilla]

Why is that?

Because he was my favourite Phoenix Sun behind Nash and now he will leave the team because he wants to do so.

This was/is/still one of the most confusing paragraphs I've read in a while.

I meant that despite the fact that he wants out he still is the best complementary player ever for the Suns in my eyes.

Thats why Marions value is high and some team will swoop in next season and offer Marion big money.

Who cares about next season when our championship window will be closing anyway?

 

[fordronken]

So, if Marion gets traded for two Lakers, does that mean the Suns would waive Brian Skinner? That would piss me off.

 

[Ollie]

Marion can whine if he wants to and opt out next year, but who's gonna give him $17M per year anyway ?

Assuming that the salary cap will raise to $58-59M, there's only 3 teams that would have more than $10M to spend in free agency next summer : Atlanta, Charlotte and Phila.
A bunch of perennial winners whose greatest needs are undeniably SF or undersized PF. They can't wait to break the bank for Shawn.

I'm all for trading him now, excepted if he agrees to a $30M/3years deal (but he won't).

 

[Cheesebeef]

So, if Marion gets traded for two Lakers, does that mean the Suns would waive Brian Skinner? That would piss me off.

that would be ridiculous if that were to happen.

If Odom were healthy and we made an Odom/Cookie swap for Marion the following lineup:

Nash
Bell
Hill
Odom
Amare

Barbs
Diaw
Cook
Skinner

would not only be really deep, but it would actually have size, playmaking ability and four legit three point shooters. That team may not be able to fly up and down the court, but in a halcourt O, they would probably be unstoppable.

That being said, Odom's not even starting the season healthy and that scares the ever living crap out of me. We'd have to get an unprotected first round pick back from them as well if we were to make that kind of deal.

 

[Azlen]

I really think this comes down to the money Shawn wants from a contract extension. His statement shouldn't be "I am open to being traded" it should be "I am open to being traded to a team that will extend my contract for the money I want." That is why he nixed the Boston trade. Not because he didn't want to go there, but because they weren't willing to give him the money that he wanted.

 

[SirStefan32]

Imagine if the Suns traded him to the Lakers and the Suns played the Lakers in the first round again this year. Would the Lakers put Marion on Nash?

Marion would fold once again. If Shawn has shown us anything, it is that he folds like a tortilla come playoff time. Gimme Odom any day of the week and twice on Sunday. On the other hand, as Eric mentioned, he is kind of a Diaw duplicate. Maybe one out of the two would have a good game every night.

 

[fordronken]

What would you guys prefer?:

Marion and Banks for Odom and Radmanovich
(saves 2 million this season, plus an additional 2 in luxury tax-- plus, we won't be afraid of dumping Skinner since we'd still have 13 players. Radmanovich's contract goes on for the next 4 years, but we'd be out from under Banks.)

or

Marion for Odom and Cook
(costs an extra 300K this season, plus an extra 300K in luxury tax. We have 14 players instead of 13. Cook's deal goes on for 2 more seasons.)

 

[Diawsome]

I really think this comes down to the money Shawn wants from a contract extension. His statement shouldn't be "I am open to being traded" it should be "I am open to being traded to a team that will extend my contract for the money I want." That is why he nixed the Boston trade. Not because he didn't want to go there, but because they weren't willing to give him the money that he wanted.

Actually I believe Danny Ainge was willing to offer an extension but Marion didn't want to play for a losing team. If Boston wasn't willing to talk extension w/ Shawn they would be the party to have blocked the KG deal instead of Marion.

 

[Mulli]

How many days before Kobe and/or Kobe love by Lakerfan hurts Marion's feelings? I call and over/under of three.

 

[elindholm]

What would you guys prefer?:

Marion for Odom and Cook

This one, because I think Cook is nearly as good as Radmanovic. That's another way of saying I have a very low opinion of Radmanovic.

But guys, I keep telling you, Jamison is the way to go. His ceiling isn't as high as Odom's or Kirilenko's, but he's a great soldier and almost always healthy.

At this point, the Suns need a trade with the least scary downside. If either Odom or Kirilenko gets seriously hurt -- which is fairly likely -- the Suns are screwed. With Jamison, the worst-case scenario (realistically) is that he'll get torched on defense.

Also, since Marion's value is greater than Jamison's, the Suns could probably get Washington to include Haywood for Banks.

And finally, Jamison's contract expires in a year, so if changes need to be made, the Suns still have some time to reconfigure before Nash's window closes completely.

 

[abomb]

Ugh. There is no way I want Marion in a Lakers uniform, especially for Odom.

 

[Mulli]

Ugh. There is no way I want Marion in a Lakers uniform, especially for Odom.

 

[Chaplin]

Marion isnt asking to leave...He's just basicly saying if he's dealt to the Lakers he's not going to fight it but embrace it. The Suns are the ones bailing on Shawn.

Coro seems to think that Shawn is indeed asking for a trade. And everything he's saying seems to support that, however much you think otherwise.

 

[Chaplin]

And no, Kobe for Marion won't do, because Marion will never agree to go to the Lakers if Kobe is gone.

While Kobe coming here isn't really realistic, to say that Marion will never agree to anything is too little too late. He vetoed trades already--now he comes out publicly and says its ok to be dealt, he's pretty much lost any leverage he had about whether he "approves" a trade or not. If I were the Suns and I traded him somewhere he didn't want to go, I'd simply say, "Tough ****. You burned your bridges, now you have to live with going to a team that's nowhere near as close to a ring as we are."

 

[scoutmasterdave]

I'm done with Marion. Let's just get this over with. I'd love to see Luke Walton come back in an LA trade, but he just signed a contract extension and therefore can't be traded until 12/15/07. Cook complicates things a little because he's a BYC player, and I only like this trade if we get dump Banks as well.

Marion + Banks for Odom, Radmanovic, and Farmar. Git 'er done.

 

[Chaplin]

This one, because I think Cook is nearly as good as Radmanovic. That's another way of saying I have a very low opinion of Radmanovic.

But guys, I keep telling you, Jamison is the way to go. His ceiling isn't as high as Odom's or Kirilenko's, but he's a great soldier and almost always healthy.

At this point, the Suns need a trade with the least scary downside. If either Odom or Kirilenko gets seriously hurt -- which is fairly likely -- the Suns are screwed. With Jamison, the worst-case scenario (realistically) is that he'll get torched on defense.

Also, since Marion's value is greater than Jamison's, the Suns could probably get Washington to include Haywood for Banks.

And finally, Jamison's contract expires in a year, so if changes need to be made, the Suns still have some time to reconfigure before Nash's window closes completely.

This would never happen simply because it is counter to the D'Antoni style of play. You do harp on it a lot. I do think there are some scary risks with an Odom or Kirilinko trade, but Jamison is not the answer.

 

[hcsilla]

What would you guys prefer?:

Marion and Banks for Odom and Radmanovich
or
Marion for Odom and Cook

Marion for Odom if I have to choose...