"Marion would welcome trade to Lakers"

[nowagimp]

* getting to the line
* creating his own shot
* accepting his role within a team concept

Jamison would be a downgrade from Marion in terms of talent, but there is no perfect solution to this problem.

I'm not sure than Jamison doesnt have alot of his shots created by arenas. I have not seen him attack off the dribble very impressively, but I know arenas is an incredible handful and he and caron butler create shots for the rest of the wiz. Jamison gets to the line, that is established, I'm just not sure he's getting there because of his ability to create his won shot.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Marion plays great defense.

no he doesn't. Marion is a slightly better than average defender - period. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either a) a Suns homer or b) someone who says he's great because he can guard 1-4 (even though he can't guard 1-4 well).

 

[Mulli]

no he doesn't. Marion is a slightly better than average defender - period. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either a) a Suns homer or b) someone who says he's great because he can guard 1-4 (even though he can't guard 1-4 well).

yep

 

[fordronken]

I'm not sure than Jamison doesnt have alot of his shots created by arenas. I have not seen him attack off the dribble very impressively, but I know arenas is an incredible handful and he and caron butler create shots for the rest of the wiz. Jamison gets to the line, that is established, I'm just not sure he's getting there because of his ability to create his won shot.

Well, if he's doing that with Arenas creating for him, imagine how good he'll be with Nash doing it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, if he's doing that with Arenas creating for him, imagine how good he'll be with Nash doing it.

man, is that a good point if there ever was one!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Well, if he's doing that with Arenas creating for him, imagine how good he'll be with Nash doing it.

man, is that a good point if there ever was one!

Jameson is overkill with Amare and Hill. He would be the 3rd or 4th option here too. I don't like it one bit.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not sure than Jamison doesnt have alot of his shots created by arenas. I have not seen him attack off the dribble very impressively, but I know arenas is an incredible handful and he and caron butler create shots for the rest of the wiz. Jamison gets to the line, that is established, I'm just not sure he's getting there because of his ability to create his won shot.

you do realize that with or without Arenas the guy has been able to get his own shot, averaging a career high 6.5 FTs a game the year before Arenas got to GS and then averaging 7.5 FTs per game after Arenas went down through the end of the regular season and into the playoffs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jameson is overkill with Amare and Hill. He would be the 3rd or 4th option here too. I don't like it one bit.

I don't like the idea of getting rid of Marion either, but Jameson wouldn't be horrible if we had to do it - at least it gives us one more player the Spurs couldn't hide on someone, as well as another three-point threat to try and outscore teams.

 

[F-Dog]

Dallas had Jamison, and they got rid of him, partly because they couldn't play adequate team defense with Nash, Jamison and Nowitzki on the floor together.

I doubt the Suns would have better success with Nash, Jamison and Amare.

 

[oneofthesedays]

well from cheesebeef's POV Marion appears to be nothing better than an NBDL scrub . honestly would you rather have Marion or Odom on your team?

To me a huge factor here is health. Marion is a guy you can count on to play the full season. You know Odom is going to miss a few games here and there at best, at worst the guy goes out for huge stretches.

 

[nowagimp]

you do realize that with or without Arenas the guy has been able to get his own shot, averaging a career high 6.5 FTs a game the year before Arenas got to GS and then averaging 7.5 FTs per game after Arenas went down through the end of the regular season and into the playoffs.

Jamison is a 45% career FG shooter on a very bad team in the eastern conference. I see the stats, but I dont know what to believe from them. When arenas went down, they couldnt beat anybody in the EAST, Jamisons FT's and all, just looked like stat fattening to me. I like Caron Butler better, he rebounds as well and can take the ball to the rack AND play defense, plus he can pass and has handles. Jamison has also lost some quickness, I like Marion better. If shawn was on washington as the best rebounder(no amare or KT to share rebounds with) he'd get +4 rebs a game over Jamison, play better defense and shoot 2% less from 3 pt range, and shoot a higher percentage overall. jamison has shot only 2% better than shawn from 3pt range for his career, not such a great shooter after all.

One of the things I dont like about shawn is his lack of passing ability and handles, Jamison is the same, a lousy passer who cant dribble in a "share the ball" system, but in additon he is a poor defender at best(CAREER BEST 0.6 blocks a game at 6'9" playing BIG minutes !!!). If the suns get rid of shawn I want something in return. Jamison is probably only 60-70 on the return in productivity. No and Brendan Haywood doesnt make it any better. Caron Butler, now youre talking. I'd do Caron plus whatever you need to make up the salary difference for marion.

 

[Cheesebeef]

well from cheesebeef's POV Marion appears to be nothing better than an NBDL scrub . honestly would you rather have Marion or Odom on your team?

To me a huge factor here is health. Marion is a guy you can count on to play the full season. You know Odom is going to miss a few games here and there at best, at worst the guy goes out for huge stretches.

i'd rather have Marion on THIS team and if I was a Laker fan, I'd rather have Odom. it's that simple.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd do Caron plus whatever you need to make up the salary difference for marion.

that I definitely agree with.

 

[Errntknght]

Wow, we have Marion exactly where we want him - royally ticked off. It would nuts to trade him now - he'll play his butt off the whole season and he might even keep it up through the playoffs. The FO should be able to fan the fire a bit now and then - heck, we might get two really good years out of him.

I have to admit it would be interesting to see Shawn playing in the triangle offense - as long as you're not a Laker fan! I can imagine PJ having to explain to him for the 100th time that when you set a screen you're supposed to stay in position until the defender you're setting the screen against arrives - and, yes, even when it appears he might touch you!

If we did trade with the Lakers I'd like to see us get Maurice Evans and Ronny Turiaf along with Odom in the deal. I doubt the Lakers would want to do that but I don't want to trade Shawn away now anyway.

 

[oneofthesedays]

Ok cheesebeef.......obviously you haven't watched as many Laker games as I have nor have I watched as many Suns games as you have, so I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ok guys, Laker fan here. My thoughts....

I think Odom and Marion are pretty much a wash in terms of talent. Both guys do different things well, Marion is a better lock down defender and Odom is a more versatile offensive weapon.

However, Odom simply does not fit in the triangle offense. I believe Marion can be the guy for us that Odom simply isn't. Odom, on the other hand, would thrive in Phoenix's free-flowing offense. He would also be a welcome relief in your locker room, the guy is known for being a great teammate and not at all selfish.

This trade really benefits both sides. I will concede that Marion is a slightly better player, but it seems like he really wants out. You can't keep an unhappy guy on your squad and expect to win championships.

I disagree on several counts.

1. Marion would be horrible in the triangle--worse than Odom.
2. Odom doesn't have the speed that we need to run our offense.
3. We need Marion's defense more than we need Odom's passing.
4. Odom's health issues make him much worse than Marion. The talent is close, but Marion's been an iron-man as far as injuries.

Bad trade for both teams.

 

[oneofthesedays]

Nobody really knows how Marion would play in the triangle because he never has. It's a bit foolish to presume to know that he would be either an amazing fit or a crappy fit.

 

[Mainstreet]

Wow, we have Marion exactly where we want him - royally ticked off. It would nuts to trade him now - he'll play his butt off the whole season and he might even keep it up through the playoffs. The FO should be able to fan the fire a bit now and then - heck, we might get two really good years out of him.

There's a lot of truth to what your saying. Actually it may be the best strategy if we're willing to listen to Marion whine all year. However, I think Sarver is thinking this is a good opportunity to move Shawn because of the LT. This makes it likely Shawn will be traded this season.

However, I would love to see an angry Shawn Marion play for the Suns.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ok finally we agree on something. This trade is the epitome of a lateral trade. BUT, Marion's strengths will help us out more than Lamar's right now. Marion plays great defense. Having him and Kobe on the perimeter will be a very good thing, our team defense was atrocious last year.

overrating shawn's d. "great" is too strong.

 

[Errntknght]

Actually it may be the best strategy if we're willing to listen to Marion whine all year.

I stopped complaining about Marion's whining a couple of years ago when it sunk in that the more he whines the better he plays. Now, its music to ears.

I suspect you are right about Sarver wanting to seize the opportunity to trade him but we have to take almost equal salary in return and probably over more years to boot.

 

[D-Dogg]

i'd rather have Marion on THIS team and if I was a Laker fan, I'd rather have Odom. it's that simple.

Wow, I completely agree. Well, it's not that big of a wow. It is kind of sarcastic, actually. I agree with you more than you think, I guess.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'd do Caron

that I definitely agree with.

 

[D-Dogg]

Nobody really knows how Marion would play in the triangle because he never has. It's a bit foolish to presume to know that he would be either an amazing fit or a crappy fit.

Oh, I know exactly how he'd look in the tri.

Who are you on Lakersground?

 

[D-Dogg]

1. Marion would be horrible in the triangle--worse than Odom.

Yes...by far.

2. Odom doesn't have the speed that we need to run our offense.

Wrong...dude has the longest strides ever. It is deceptively quick how fast he gets to the hole. I call him a dementor because he floats instead of runs...and I'm a potthead. But no, his speed is not the problem in the sun's offense...he'd be fine getting to the hole. He is terrible, TERRIBLE without the ball in his hands though. He also is not a spot up shooter or a strong low post rebounder (he is a garbage time SF rebounder). So he really doesn't fit your offense, but not because he couldn't run with it. The guy is built to be a running SF/PF in a fast paced offense. He's Magic Johnson-like and wants to push it non-stop. He also makes really dumb decisions with and without the ball.

I do love him though...don't get me wrong.

Bad trade for both teams.

Agreed. Far worse for the Lakers though, IMO.

 

[slinslin]

They made a good point on Gambo and Ash.
While I would take Odom over Kirilenko anyway, the Lakers plus Marion - Odom are no threat for us. The Jazz - Kirilenkos 8/4 and bitching + Marion at the 3, they could win the West.
Why help out the Jazz?

Why trade for Kirilenko after he threatened with europe and got blasted by Williams.