"Marion would welcome trade to Lakers"

[elindholm]

This would never happen simply because it is counter to the D'Antoni style of play.

Why not? Jamison can run, he's more offense than defense, and he'd be undersized at PF. How is that not D'Antoni's style?

If you mean Haywood, he probably wouldn't play much, but then neither does Banks. Haywood has more potential value.

 

[fordronken]

Coro seems to think that Shawn is indeed asking for a trade. And everything he's saying seems to support that, however much you think otherwise.

Hasn't it been confirmed that Marion put in a request to be traded weeks ago?

 

[WuRaider]

This would never happen simply because it is counter to the D'Antoni style of play.

The Wiz are the Suns of the East.

 

[Cheesebeef]

it sickens me to know how close we were to being guaranteed titles(yes, KG would have made us unstoppable) for the next three years and Shawn Marion's ridiculously high opinion of himself (although apparently not too high as he apparently doesn't see himself as someone who could have helped turn Boston around, even though they would have finally given him the love he craves) blew the deal.

the guy has killed us in the post-season as well as off-season. that's just sickening.

 

[Muggum]

Lest we forget, Odom is a huge pot-head and ALWAYS hurt. Kirilenko is equally injury-prone. Marion, by contrast, is NEVER injured. He seems immune to it. Bottom line, the Suns regress, basketball-wise, if we lose Marion for either of those two.

That being said, give Sarver a chance to cut payroll in a fashion that's even part-way justifiable, and he will take it. I could see this Odom thing happening for that reason.

Bottom line, we'd be crazy to mess with the core when we were as close as we were. The Spurs are all a year older. We haven't aged significantly (Nash and Hill are the exceptions). The team hasn't had as long to 'gel' as the Spurs. Keep this team together. Marion has whined before. He'll get over it.

M

 

[oneofthesedays]

Ok guys, Laker fan here. My thoughts....

I think Odom and Marion are pretty much a wash in terms of talent. Both guys do different things well, Marion is a better lock down defender and Odom is a more versatile offensive weapon.

However, Odom simply does not fit in the triangle offense. I believe Marion can be the guy for us that Odom simply isn't. Odom, on the other hand, would thrive in Phoenix's free-flowing offense. He would also be a welcome relief in your locker room, the guy is known for being a great teammate and not at all selfish.

This trade really benefits both sides. I will concede that Marion is a slightly better player, but it seems like he really wants out. You can't keep an unhappy guy on your squad and expect to win championships.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Spurs are all a year older. We haven't aged significantly (Nash and Hill are the exceptions).
M

I don't get this comment - that team revolves around their big 3 and one hasn't even reached his prime and the other two are stuck right in the middle of theirs. With their depth, it doesn't matter how old the other guys are because they're minutes are kept down.

 

[WuRaider]

Lest we forget, Odom is a huge pot-head

So are Nash and Marion. They seemed to do fine. Why is bud always called "pot" when its used in a bad context?

Kid: Let's go smoke some weed *******!

Later that day...

Kid: My mom caught me smoking pot

 

[mribnik]

I say the Suns give a big f$*% you to Marion and keep him anyways. Marion wants to be traded? Too bad for him. I don't see Marion as the type of player who will put in less effort because he feels disrespected. It's probably the opposite. Also, I blame Boston for the whole Garnett deal not going down. They could've accepted the trade regardless. The problem is that these GM's give the players and their agents all the power. Like the Bucks did with Yi, Boston should've called Marion's bluff and accepted the trade.

Marion will feel better when the season actually starts and he's playing the most minutes and taking the most shots for the Suns (hopefully Amare does though). It's easy to feel disrespected in the off-season when the only things to talk about are trade rumors. Oh, and had Marion not pulled out of Team USA he probably wouldn't be feeling disrespected right now.

 

[Gaddabout]

Also as F-Dog said, combining Odom with Diaw to have two goofy, mentally suspect deferential playmakers is asking for big-time trouble.

Yes, but it would be worth the price of admission just to watch those two on breakaways. Imagine a shot-clock violation on fast breaks.

 

[Azlen]

Actually I believe Danny Ainge was willing to offer an extension but Marion didn't want to play for a losing team. If Boston wasn't willing to talk extension w/ Shawn they would be the party to have blocked the KG deal instead of Marion.

I think Marion would have been more than happy to go there if the price was right. At least that is my opinion anyway. We don't know how much Ainge offered him, so there is no way for us to know for sure.

 

[Rab]

Well this wasn't the coolest thing to wake up to this morning, but I have to admit, it doesn't surprise me at all.

I'm not going to throw Shawn under the bus here. I certainly have respect for him as a basketball player, and as a long tenured Sun. There are still parts of me that would like to see him retire a Sun. He has certainly been important to this team's success over that past 3 years.

The weird part of this whole thing however, is that I wouldn't really sad to see him go. I would yearn for the old days occassionally, but it wouldn't be like trading Amare away or something. If that happened, I would fly off the handle.

I tend to think that really is time to move on for both sides. I don't really put blame soley on Shawn. I do think the FO has played their part in his decision to want to bail. Shawn is very fragile however, and he's never really handled the business part of the NBA well. With a player of his caliber making the max, he really doesn't have a foundation to stand on. Obviously, the Suns at the time felt he was good enough to warrant a max deal, even though the rest of the free world knew he wasn't. He was doomed to be traded as soon as that deal was signed.

His contract has crippled us for years now. We've had two legit shots at winning titles with our core team, and have come up short both times. I wouldn't be opposed to one more shot with this team, but after what I've read today, I don't see how it's even possible. It will be a distraction all year. The chances of locker room issues will increase. I just think that it's time to move on without him.

 

[D-Dogg]

Ugh. Screw that. If the Lakers want to move Odom, then do the deal with Indy. I'd much prefer that lateral move than this one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ugh. Screw that. If the Lakers want to move Odom, then do the deal with Indy. I'd much prefer that lateral move than this one.

id' be pissed if I was a Laker fan and this went through - you guys would be even worse with Marion instead of Odom. Bad fit for a team with ZERO playmakers besides Kobe.

 

[oneofthesedays]

id' be pissed if I was a Laker fan and this went through - you guys would be even worse with Marion instead of Odom. Bad fit for a team with ZERO playmakers besides Kobe.

Nobody is saying Marion would turn the Lakers into contenders. We're still one all-star type player away from being an elite team. However bringing Marion here would be a step in the right direction. As good as Odom is, he just doesn't fit here in LA. If we can unload Cook at the same time, ALL THE BETTER!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Nobody is saying Marion would turn the Lakers into contenders. We're still one all-star type player away from being an elite team. However bringing Marion here would be a step in the right direction. As good as Odom is, he just doesn't fit here in LA. If we can unload Cook at the same time, ALL THE BETTER!

I know the Lakers just as well as I know the Suns - I watch everyone of their games, living in LA and getting Marion isn't just a lateral move, it's a move backwards. Yes, you'll still need another All-Star, but now you'll have even more salary on your team, keeping you from getting one. If this deal goes thru, LA doesn't even make the playoffs.

 

[nowagimp]

This would never happen simply because it is counter to the D'Antoni style of play. You do harp on it a lot. I do think there are some scary risks with an Odom or Kirilinko trade, but Jamison is not the answer.

Agreed Jamison is a poor defender and rebounder who camps outside w/ a good outside shot and cant finish. Ughhhh! A 6'9" rich mans casey Jacobsen of sorts.

 

[fordronken]

I know the Lakers just as well as I know the Suns - I watch everyone of their games, living in LA and getting Marion isn't just a lateral move, it's a move backwards. Yes, you'll still need another All-Star, but now you'll have even more salary on your team, keeping you from getting one. If this deal goes thru, LA doesn't even make the playoffs.

So who takes their spot? Memphis? New Orleans? Please. They'll make the playoffs if Kobe and Marion are healthy. In fact, Marion's health should at least add 4 wins by itself. Also, you have another finisher, a better rebounder and better defense. Luke Walton will take over as more of a playmaker, and you'll have to legitimate finishers.

Then there's the Phil factor. He just makes guys better. That's all there is to it.

Edit: Although I would be very excited to see Marion react to Phil's motivational and psychological tactics.

 

[Chaplin]

I know the Lakers just as well as I know the Suns - I watch everyone of their games, living in LA and getting Marion isn't just a lateral move, it's a move backwards. Yes, you'll still need another All-Star, but now you'll have even more salary on your team, keeping you from getting one. If this deal goes thru, LA doesn't even make the playoffs.

This move for LA would be more about pacifying Kobe Bryant than wanting to get rid of Odom.

 

[elindholm]

Agreed Jamison is a poor defender and rebounder who camps outside w/ a good outside shot and cant finish.

Why does everyone say Jamison is a poor rebounder? His career average is 7.6, and he's done better than that his three seasons in Washington. I've never noticed a problem with his finishing either.

The bad defense, I'll give you.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This move for LA would be more about pacifying Kobe Bryant than wanting to get rid of Odom.

getting rid of one all-star caliber player for another all-star caliber player ain't gonna pacify Kobe. He's delusional - the only thing that's gonna make him happy is to add someone to him AND Odom.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So who takes their spot? Memphis? New Orleans? Please. They'll make the playoffs if Kobe and Marion are healthy. In fact, Marion's health should at least add 4 wins by itself. Also, you have another finisher, a better rebounder and better defense. Luke Walton will take over as more of a playmaker, and you'll have to legitimate finishers.

if this deal is made, you're gonna have:

Suns
Mavs
Spurs
Utah
Rockets
Denver

all DEFINITELY ahead of the Lakers and it wouldn't surprise me at all if NO was better as well, or the Grizz considering before Gasol's injury-plagued season, they were a two-time 47-50 win team and just added some good talent and a new head coach this year.

Bottom line, with or without Odom or Marion, they're battling it out for the 7, 8 or 9 spot.

 

[Chaplin]

getting rid of one all-star caliber player for another all-star caliber player ain't gonna pacify Kobe. He's delusional - the only thing that's gonna make him happy is to add someone to him AND Odom.

Except for all intents and purposes, Kobe doesn't really like Odom all that much, so that at least would be fuel to pacify Kobe. I never said he'd be satisfied completely, I said it would be a step in the right direction as far as he is concerned.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Except for all intents and purposes, Kobe doesn't really like Odom all that much...

I've heard just the opposite.

 

[nowagimp]

Why does everyone say Jamison is a poor rebounder? His career average is 7.6, and he's done better than that his three seasons in Washington. I've never noticed a problem with his finishing either.

The bad defense, I'll give you.

He's the best rebounder on his team, and he "rips down" 8 rebounds in 39 minutes a game over the last 3 years @ washington, he's weak. He's not strong enough to control an area for the rebound and he's not quick to the ball(like marion). As a finisher, he doesnt know how to draw contact and score at 6'9", shies away from contact, and doesnt have good hands in traffic, isnt quick to the rim(for a lob like marion). He's notably worse than marion in everything but 3 pt shooting. He's not a poor finisher, just worse than marion, who isnt a world beater there either.