Marshall is a Dolphin

[az1965]

We'll be just fine at corner folks. Everyone needs to chill. We're set on one side with PP and Toler will be just fine by the start of the season. Let's not forget we have Jeffereson and we also brought in some other young guys last year in Crezdon Butler and Korey Lindsey. Butler is a Horton disciple from his time in Pittsburgh, so he can definitely tackle and play zone. Lindsey has even more upside once he gets a full offseason and some reps against NFL wideouts. I do think we will bring in someone like William Gay or even draft someone in the later rounds for competition.

Take a deep breath. Secondary is the least of our concerns.

How dumb of me to not realize we have Jefferson and Butler... yep, we are set for years on CB's.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Who's the better value at five mill per year? Marshall or bradley? Persobally i'd rather Keep the guys you KNOW can play, at a position of weakness where you desperately need strength in a passing league like Marshall and get rid of trash like Bradley but that's just me.

 

[kerouac9]

that's great, but there aren't any number 2 wrs out there right now, are there? most of those guys have been signed.

that sucks. 5.3 mill per was well worth it for Marshall who you know played well and got the system, as opposed to counting on a guy who didn't show much two years ago and is now coming off an ACL injury... 0h and his back up is atrocious.

Greg Camarillo (MIA), Mark Clayton (STL), Braylon Edwards (SF--you loved him last offseason), Early Doucet (ARI), Chaz Schilens (OAK), Jerome Simpson (CIN), The Other Steve Smith (PHI).

Those are the guys that I would look at. I think that Braylon and Simpson are probably red-flagged by the Cards, but Camarillo would quickly become a fan favorite here.

 

[az1965]

Why is Bradley still not released is beyond me... total waste of a signing. And we let Marshall walk who played pretty solid especially during the second half. What is baffling coaches even liked him both on the field and in the locker room.

 

[kerouac9]

Cutting Chansi Stuckey and adding his recovered salary to Marshall's previous deal should've allowed us to match the offer.

Otherwise we could've cut Walking Dead Todd Heap (Bitten by Animated Corpse of Joey Porter) and we could've paid the deal.

 

[az1965]

Cutting Chansi Stuckey and adding his recovered salary to Marshall's previous deal should've allowed us to match the offer.

Otherwise we could've cut Walking Dead Todd Heap (Bitten by Animated Corpse of Joey Porter) and we could've paid the deal.

That is the frustrating part. I have not seen any indications we even tried. Looks like we had a "value" set for him and as soon he went above that value, we just turned and looked the other way.

 

[kerouac9]

That is the frustrating part. I have not seen any indications we even tried. Looks like we had a "value" set for him and as soon he went above that value, we just turned and looked the other way.

Honestly, if that's what happened, I can't fault them for it. You have to place a value on your players, and Richard Marshall just isn't that valuable a piece. He wasn't a good starting cornerback at the beginning of the season, and he wasn't a great nickel cornerback at the end. He's an adequate #2 cornerback and a slightly above-average nickel corner. I don't think you can pay $5 million a year for that.

Marshall was a one-year rental. I think that part of the problem is that Horton loves to talk up his players to the press. Marshall probably appreciates it because it builds his stock up for free agency. But he wasn't interested really in staying a Cardinal. He was a mercenary.

It's just business.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Greg Camarillo (MIA), Mark Clayton (STL), Braylon Edwards (SF--you loved him last offseason), Early Doucet (ARI), Chaz Schilens (OAK), Jerome Simpson (CIN), The Other Steve Smith (PHI).

that's a lot of hot garbage IMO and I may have really liked the Braylon move last year, after a year of him being hotter garbage than anyone else up there, color me unimpressed.

and seriously... none of those guys are legit #2 WRs. They're just guys. I mean... Chaz Schillens? Are you serious? I know that's who we're probably gonna get, but yeesh.

 

[kerouac9]

that's a lot of hot garbage IMO and I may have really liked the Braylon move last year, after a year of him being hotter garbage than anyone else up there, color me unimpressed.

and seriously... none of those guys are legit #2 WRs. They're just guys. I mean... Chaz Schillens? Are you serious? I know that's who we're probably gonna get, but yeesh.

What do you want in a "legit #2 WR"? Who do you think ARE "legit #2 WRs"? I think that Chaz Schilens is as likely to be what you're looking for as Laurent Robinson was/is. They're both about as brittle as Malcolm Floyd (SD), who so many here were hot and bothered about last year.

I still like bringing back Early Doucet and bringing in Chaz Schilens. The fixation on getting a "legit #2 WR" continues to baffle me. Who are these guys?

 

[az1965]

What do you want in a "legit #2 WR"? Who do you think ARE "legit #2 WRs"?

Boldin

 

[az1965]

Honestly, if that's what happened, I can't fault them for it. You have to place a value on your players, and Richard Marshall just isn't that valuable a piece. He wasn't a good starting cornerback at the beginning of the season, and he wasn't a great nickel cornerback at the end. He's an adequate #2 cornerback and a slightly above-average nickel corner. I don't think you can pay $5 million a year for that.

Marshall was a one-year rental. I think that part of the problem is that Horton loves to talk up his players to the press. Marshall probably appreciates it because it builds his stock up for free agency. But he wasn't interested really in staying a Cardinal. He was a mercenary.

It's just business.

But none of the defense was good at the beginning of the season.

I do believe he was more than an adequate #2 CB. And, unfortunately, the market dictates the price.

We are now thin at CB. Toler is average at best. I would put Marshall above Toler.

 

[kerouac9]

Boldin

Are we going to do this again?

Off the top of your head, tell me who the head-and-shoulders #2 wide receivers on these offenses were (#1s in parentheses):

New Orleans (Colston)
New England Patriots (Welker)
Green Bay Packers (Jennings)
Detroit Lions (Megatron)
New York Giants (Nicks)
San Diego Chargers (Jackson)
Dallas Cowboys (Austin)
Atlanta Falcons (White)
Philadelphia Eagles (Maclin)
Pittsburgh Steelers (Wallace)

Those are the Top 10 passing offenses in the NFL last year! You can maybe argue Atlanta (Julio Jones), Green Bay (Jordy Nelson), Dallas (Dez Bryant), and Philly (DeSean Jackson), but that doesn't even comprise half the list.

 

[kerouac9]

But none of the defense was good at the beginning of the season.

I do believe he was more than an adequate #2 CB. And, unfortunately, the market dictates the price.

We are now thin at CB. Toler is average at best. I would put Marshall above Toler.

But what if we bring in Marcus Trufant to be a competitive #2 CB? Would you be happier if we could do that for 2/3 of the price of Marshall? I would.

I think that if you improve the pass rush in front of the cornerbacks, they're all going to get better. If we bring in Kamerion Wimbley (Jurecki thinks that Wimbley can get 10 sacks a year in this D--I don't share that opinion) and a draft pick, I think the whole secondary looks better.

 

[az1965]

But what if we bring in Marcus Trufant to be a competitive #2 CB? Would you be happier if we could do that for 2/3 of the price of Marshall? I would.

I think that if you improve the pass rush in front of the cornerbacks, they're all going to get better. If we bring in Kamerion Wimbley (Jurecki thinks that Wimbley can get 10 sacks a year in this D--I don't share that opinion) and a draft pick, I think the whole secondary looks better.

Perhaps. Marshall has slightly better numbers and is younger. But, I can live with that.

I do believe improving pass rush will improve the secondary. We will see if Cards will do anything about pass rush which is IMO is one of the top three priority of the off season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are we going to do this again?

Off the top of your head, tell me who the head-and-shoulders #2 wide receivers on these offenses were (#1s in parentheses):

New Orleans (Colston)
New England Patriots (Welker)
Green Bay Packers (Jennings)
Jordy Nelson
Detroit Lions (Megatron)
New York Giants (Nicks)
San Diego Chargers (Jackson)
Dallas Cowboys (Austin)
Atlanta Falcons (White)
Philadelphia Eagles (Maclin)
Pittsburgh Steelers (Wallace)

Those are the Top 10 passing offenses in the NFL last year! You can maybe argue Atlanta (Julio Jones), Green Bay (Jordy Nelson), Dallas (Dez Bryant), and Philly (DeSean Jackson), but that doesn't even comprise half the list.

you can maybe argue Julio Jones, Jordy Nelson, Dez Bryant and Desean? In what world do those guys not get automatic consideration? And what about NE having Gronkowski as the best TE in the game and probably the second best TE in the game with Hernandez which rounds out their recieving core? And what about Jimmy Graham for the Saints? And where in the world is Victor Cruz as far as the Giants are concerned? Right there, that's 7 out of the 10 teams you listed who had MULTIPLE true difference makers in the receiving core. You want to limit this just to a discussion of number 2 WRs (and yet exclude obvious number 2 WRs as maybes for some reason) but it's really about having a legit second option in your receiving core and 7 of those ten you listed above have those.

We have ONE true difference maker in our receiving core and a bunch of guys.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But what if we bring in Marcus Trufant to be a competitive #2 CB? Would you be happier if we could do that for 2/3 of the price of Marshall? I would.

I think that if you improve the pass rush in front of the cornerbacks, they're all going to get better. If we bring in Kamerion Wimbley (Jurecki thinks that Wimbley can get 10 sacks a year in this D--I don't share that opinion) and a draft pick, I think the whole secondary looks better.

lol... do you really think either of those things above are going to happen?

 

[kerouac9]

lol... do you really think either of those things above are going to happen?

No. Not really. I just hope we have a good draft.

 

[BigRedArk]

What do you want in a "legit #2 WR"? Who do you think ARE "legit #2 WRs"? I think that Chaz Schilens is as likely to be what you're looking for as Laurent Robinson was/is. They're both about as brittle as Malcolm Floyd (SD), who so many here were hot and bothered about last year.

I still like bringing back Early Doucet and bringing in Chaz Schilens. The fixation on getting a "legit #2 WR" continues to baffle me. Who are these guys?

I don't know anything about Schilens but i am with you in bringing Doucet back. We could do a lot worse. Plus we would actually keep one of our draft picks.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

No. Not really. I just hope we have a good draft.

You mean the draft where we reach for a mediocre tackle in round 1 and don't have a 2nd round pick?

 

[Phrazbit]

You mean the draft where we reach for a mediocre tackle in round 1 and don't have a 2nd round pick?

Wait, youre not excited about being grossly let down by Jonathan Martin and then being forced to reach in the 1st round of the 2017 draft for a LT to replace him?

 

[Duckjake]

Greg Camarillo (MIA), Mark Clayton (STL), Braylon Edwards (SF--you loved him last offseason), Early Doucet (ARI), Chaz Schilens (OAK), Jerome Simpson (CIN), The Other Steve Smith (PHI).

Those are the guys that I would look at. I think that Braylon and Simpson are probably red-flagged by the Cards, but Camarillo would quickly become a fan favorite here.

Looking at that list I'd save my money and just use Andre Roberts as our #2WR.

What do you think about DeMarco Sampson? I've seen some flashes from him and WRs really improve from year 1 to year 2. Could he be the 6'2" WR we'll need to complement Fitz and Roberts?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wouldn't pay him Marshall that much either. I don't think Jefferson was nearly as bad or Marshall nearly as good as they are made out to be around here. I liked Marshall, and he played well down the stretch, but he not a guy that's irreplaceable. Plus, I think Jefferson will be better this year and will do better in the nickel role.

 

[cardsfanmd]

That's what more than a few called Marshall last offseason.

exactly.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Good thing the Cards traded away DRC and a second round pick in July for a QB they may be cutting in 48 hours. That's some quality decision making right there.

Being as though that moved played a huge role in re-signing Fitz, you couldn't be more right!!!

 

[cardsfanmd]

I don't get the hate for Toler. He has played two years since leaving ST. PAULS. The guys is a gamer and perfected suited to play in Horton's scheme. Assuming he comes back healthy, I expect him to do very well this year. With that said, we do need to add depth at the very least and I wouldn't be opposed one bit to taking Kirkpatrick (whom I love) @ #13.