Matt Barkley

[Cheesebeef]

i've always been in the "dear god, don't let us get fooled AGAIN by an SC QB who's surrounded with outrageous talent and won't be that good in the pros". I've seen nothing this season so far to convince me otherwise.

is it 1:25 PM tomorrow yet?!

 

[Dr. Jones]

I didn't see this year's pick as stupid at all. Another WR threat should keep opposing Ds more honest

Why it was stupid to draft a WR.

1. Even before injuries, our OL was a pass-blocking abomination.
2. Even before the competition, we all knew that both our QB's weren't accurate.
3. Our depth at pass rush and o-line was horrible.


But that is over now. We have Floyd and I will be hoping for the best. I think that blunder might get Whiz fired this off-season if we have less than 6 wins.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Look at the highlights of the 2 TD passes Wilson threw in his game. They are both amazing thows. One with a guy right in his face and him getting drilled and the other a perfect strike down the sideline.

But there is now a red flag developing with him. This is the 2nd time in 2 years that he has had to miss the 2nd half of a game because of concussions, or concussion-like symptoms.

 

[PACardsFan]

If we would draft Bustley, I will rip my TV off the wall. I watched and he did not impress me at all. Heck, the Syracuse QB has a better arm. Barkley has no pressure on him at all. By that, I mean he has the WR's that are either wide open or he can just throw it their direction and they'll make a play. I have yet to see a throw where I was blown away or didn't think just about any other average college QB could make.

Converesely, the 2nd play I saw in the Ark game was perfect 39 yd,or so, TD pass down the sideline that Wilson dropped in on stride for a picturesque TD. There is absolutely no doubt who the better QB is. I hope Bustley wins the Heisman and gets all the hype but he's no elite NFL prospect. He even looks smaller that his listed 6'2 or 6'3. I think he's a worse prospect than Leinart was. Somebody metioned comparing him to Matt Ryan, I think that's doing Matt Ryan a disservice. I go back to the Jimmy Clausen comparisons.

I agree with this assessment. Being a Syracuse fan, I watched the game twice today. I came away more impressed with OUR QB than Barkley. He certainly didn't appear very tall & his arm is average. His mobility is also average at best. He has a few stud receivers who made INCREDIBLE catches even when blanketed & a strong running game also. He floated an ugly interception & should have had a couple more. With the exception of a couple long runs, USC was actually outplayed today.

 

[crisper57]

Hell, the ASU and U of A QB's are impressing me more. Working under pressure at times. Showing good touch. And they don't have Barkley's weapons to bail them out.

 

[moklerman]

I don't watch a lot of college football. Was this game along the lines of most of his games? If so, color me not impressed. I thin about 85-90% of his throws were about 7 yards max and his receivers did everything else. Max Hall could've scored 6 touchdowns with that supporting cast. SU played pretty good D, but they're not THAT good to force him to check down on that many throws. If this is a typical game for him, he's ML all over again.

It's certainly similar but what's a realistic approach for USC? I mean, if you've got players who can win 1 on 1 matchups and get first downs and score TD's by athletic superiority alone, they have to take advantage of that, don't they?

So, while that does make evaluating Barkley in this case a bit more difficult, I'm not at the point where I'd say he couldn't do more if he had to. Throwing the ball short and letting his players make plays has served Brady very well for example.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I agree with this assessment. Being a Syracuse fan, I watched the game twice today. I came away more impressed with OUR QB than Barkley. He certainly didn't appear very tall & his arm is average. His mobility is also average at best. He has a few stud receivers who made INCREDIBLE catches even when blanketed & a strong running game also. He floated an ugly interception & should have had a couple more. With the exception of a couple long runs, USC was actually outplayed today.

On a side note, I don't think Syracuse is that far away. I love the way their defense hits and plays hard. I don't know their names but a LB and a Safety stood out. They need some more talent but that coach definitely has them on the right track.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's certainly similar but what's a realistic approach for USC? I mean, if you've got players who can win 1 on 1 matchups and get first downs and score TD's by athletic superiority alone, they have to take advantage of that, don't they?

So, while that does make evaluating Barkley in this case a bit more difficult, I'm not at the point where I'd say he couldn't do more if he had to. Throwing the ball short and letting his players make plays has served Brady very well for example.

I'd agree with this. I'm not writing the guy off, I'm just a little skeptical. He's a strong leader with an excellent work ethic and I think he can play at the next level but I don't see him as the can't-miss-prospect that some consider him to be. If we're drafting 12th and he's still there, I'd probably take him but I wouldn't be drooling at the chance to draft him number one.

Steve

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It's certainly similar but what's a realistic approach for USC? I mean, if you've got players who can win 1 on 1 matchups and get first downs and score TD's by athletic superiority alone, they have to take advantage of that, don't they?

So, while that does make evaluating Barkley in this case a bit more difficult, I'm not at the point where I'd say he couldn't do more if he had to. Throwing the ball short and letting his players make plays has served Brady very well for example.

I completely understand that he is most likely just playing withing the offense and not necessarily to his limits, but the fact is that most of his numbers are useless when evaluating him for the NFL level. The only thing that is going to matter is going to be the actual film and I don't think a lot of teams are going to be all that impressed with that. That being said I wouldn't be shocked if he were drafted 1st or as low as 7th or so. Also I agree with some of the others on here that feel like Wilson is better and I will add that I think Logan Thomas will be better than Barkley as well.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It's certainly similar but what's a realistic approach for USC? I mean, if you've got players who can win 1 on 1 matchups and get first downs and score TD's by athletic superiority alone, they have to take advantage of that, don't they?

So, while that does make evaluating Barkley in this case a bit more difficult, I'm not at the point where I'd say he couldn't do more if he had to. Throwing the ball short and letting his players make plays has served Brady very well for example.

Also I would like to see him against a team like Alabama or LSU both of which would be good tests for him and his team. Obviously they would have to meet in a bowl game or the championship game for that to happen.

 

[52brandon]

Why it was stupid to draft a WR.

1. Even before injuries, our OL was a pass-blocking abomination.
2. Even before the competition, we all knew that both our QB's weren't accurate.
3. Our depth at pass rush and o-line was horrible.


But that is over now. We have Floyd and I will be hoping for the best. I think that blunder might get Whiz fired this off-season if we have less than 6 wins.

you think the draft would get Whiz fired? I would imagine if anybody, it would be Graves, but I think the FO has SIGNIFICANTLY improved. I also like the Olinemen we got in the later rounds. Nobody thought a OT aside from Kalil was worth taking that high. DeCastro is hurt now. If Floyd was BPA, and there was a glaring hole at #2 WR after we lost Q too, I'm happy with the pick. We'll see how it all shakes out, but I thought the draft went very well

 

[juza76]

i saw this matt scott playing for arizona .it seems to be a good qb -i saw some deep throws near the sideline very accurate.

 

[Duckjake]

you think the draft would get Whiz fired? I would imagine if anybody, it would be Graves, but I think the FO has SIGNIFICANTLY improved. I also like the Olinemen we got in the later rounds. Nobody thought a OT aside from Kalil was worth taking that high. DeCastro is hurt now. If Floyd was BPA, and there was a glaring hole at #2 WR after we lost Q too, I'm happy with the pick. We'll see how it all shakes out, but I thought the draft went very well

Until the Cards drafted Floyd almost no one said we even had a hole at #2 Wide Receiver let alone a glaring one. In fact many were ardent in defense of Doucet in regards to keeping him. Others were not shy about praising Roberts and finally with the Housler factor the conventional wisdom was our Receiving corps was in good shape. Of course our brass could have seen things in a completely different light.

I go along with those who say that when two or more players are relatively equal in talent you draft the one who will impact more plays. Many here have talked about how WR has the least amount of impact compared to others when discussing the money given to Fitz. So with 2-3 defensive players who would be involved in 50-60 plays, , who would equal the WR as BPA, vs a WR who would affect 10-20 plays I go with the defense. Same would hold true for Oline and RB.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Until the Cards drafted Floyd almost no one said we even had a hole at #2 Wide Receiver let alone a glaring one. In fact many were ardent in defense of Doucet in regards to keeping him. Others were not shy about praising Roberts and finally with the Housler factor the conventional wisdom was our Receiving corps was in good shape. Of course our brass could have seen things in a completely different light.

I go along with those who say that when two or more players are relatively equal in talent you draft the one who will impact more plays. Many here have talked about how WR has the least amount of impact compared to others when discussing the money given to Fitz. So with 2-3 defensive players who would be involved in 50-60 plays, , who would equal the WR as BPA, vs a WR who would affect 10-20 plays I go with the defense. Same would hold true for Oline and RB.

That is true, but obviously the Cards felt like there was no one else on the board that was equal in talent.

 

[Duckjake]

That is true, but obviously the Cards felt like there was no one else on the board that was equal in talent.

Obviously. And obviously there are many who would disagree with them. I just don't see Floyd as being that much better if at all than a DeCastro or Ingram or Mercilus. If the Cards felt they needed a WR I'd have been just as happy with Juron Criner but then we wouldn't have Senio.

Doesn't matter though because we're going to draft Jarvis Jones next year because all the top QBs will be gone when we pick and set our OLB positions for the next 5 years.

When drafting BPA how much better does a guy have to be than others that play a position of need for the team? Do you take a guy you have rated at 92 at a position of less impact or where you already have a solid roster over a guy you have rated 90 at a position that will play more and your roster isn't that solid? How about 88 or 85? I would be interested to hear how some teams/scouts think on this.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Obviously. And obviously there are many who would disagree with them. I just don't see Floyd as being that much better if at all than a DeCastro or Ingram or Mercilus. If the Cards felt they needed a WR I'd have been just as happy with Juron Criner but then we wouldn't have Senio.

Doesn't matter though because we're going to draft Jarvis Jones next year because all the top QBs will be gone when we pick and set our OLB positions for the next 5 years.

When drafting BPA how much better does a guy have to be than others that play a position of need for the team? Do you take a guy you have rated at 92 at a position of less impact or where you already have a solid roster over a guy you have rated 90 at a position that will play more and your roster isn't that solid? How about 88 or 85? I would be interested to hear how some teams/scouts think on this.

To be honest with you I personally thought they should have traded down then went with Decastro or Reiff. However I disagree that most people weren't calling for a better #2 WR. I remember people calling for a WR pretty much all season long and during the offseason.

 

[Duckjake]

To be honest with you I personally thought they should have traded down then went with Decastro or Reiff. However I disagree that most people weren't calling for a better #2 WR. I remember people calling for a WR pretty much all season long and during the offseason.

I don't remember that being much of an issue. Of course the problem is you have a group of people on both sides of most every issue. So you'd see people calling for a better #2 WR and others claiming Doucet, Roberts and Housler were fine and we didn't need a better player.

 

[52brandon]

Until the Cards drafted Floyd almost no one said we even had a hole at #2 Wide Receiver let alone a glaring one. In fact many were ardent in defense of Doucet in regards to keeping him. Others were not shy about praising Roberts and finally with the Housler factor the conventional wisdom was our Receiving corps was in good shape. Of course our brass could have seen things in a completely different light.

I go along with those who say that when two or more players are relatively equal in talent you draft the one who will impact more plays. Many here have talked about how WR has the least amount of impact compared to others when discussing the money given to Fitz. So with 2-3 defensive players who would be involved in 50-60 plays, , who would equal the WR as BPA, vs a WR who would affect 10-20 plays I go with the defense. Same would hold true for Oline and RB.

Maybe I was in the minority there then. Because I never had faith in Doucet or Roberts. I always thought we needed a legit #2 WR. Would love to be able to point out where I said it, but I can't remember the names of the threads

 

[Duckjake]

To be honest with you I personally thought they should have traded down then went with Decastro or Reiff. However I disagree that most people weren't calling for a better #2 WR. I remember people calling for a WR pretty much all season long and during the offseason.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/strikingly-obvious-we-need-a-really-good-2-wr-170553.html

 

[52brandon]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/strikingly-obvious-we-need-a-really-good-2-wr-170553.html

that was only a week into the season though, right? The one game we got the best performance out of a QB all season. Going off that game, Kolb is the man... lol. Couldn't keep a straight face

 

[Duckjake]

that was only a week into the season though, right? The one game we got the best performance out of a QB all season. Going off that game, Kolb is the man... lol. Couldn't keep a straight face

The poster said all through the season. I know I knocked our wide receivers several times for being too slow off the los and being just barely average and got the same kind of responses as those in that thread. Same thing happened when I wrote during the off season that Doucet could be easily replaced.

 

[Southpaw]

Let some other team draft Barkley until the USC QB jinx is broken.

QBs I rate over Barkley;

1. Tyler Wilson
2. Geno Smith

Honorable mention'

Casey Paschall
Tyler Bray

 

[52brandon]

The poster said all through the season. I know I knocked our wide receivers several times for being too slow off the los and being just barely average and got the same kind of responses as those in that thread. Same thing happened when I wrote during the off season that Doucet could be easily replaced.

odd. It's dated almost exactly a year ago and only lasted 2 days is why I assumed that... wonder how they got a season of data in only 2 days lol

edit: oh you mean the guy you posted it in response to. The whole offense looked good after that one game. But as the season went on it became apparent (to me at least) that we needed a #2. And a QB lol

 

[Duckjake]

odd. It's dated almost exactly a year ago and only lasted 2 days is why I assumed that... wonder how they got a season of data in only 2 days lol

edit: oh you mean the guy you posted it in response to. The whole offense looked good after that one game. But as the season went on it became apparent (to me at least) that we needed a #2. And a QB lol

That bump was simply the first one I found and I was too busy getting ready to go find someplace to watch the game to search for more lol.

I wonder if I should saddle my 2 college kids with student loans so I could still afford to fly out to the games. Nah, I don't think Mom would buy into that.

 

[52brandon]

That bump was simply the first one I found and I was too busy getting ready to go find someplace to watch the game to search for more lol.

I wonder if I should saddle my 2 college kids with student loans so I could still afford to fly out to the games. Nah, I don't think Mom would buy into that.

lol, maybe make em apply for grants. To ASU specifically. So you can "check on em" every few Sundays or so with the money you saved