McCown and Cards.

[iLLmatiC]

agree... and even disagree on Plummer.

But they've really only taken one shot with a high pick since '98 (jesus... that was 20 YEARS AGO?) when they took Leinart.

We haven't gone QB early for more than a decade. That's led to two separate back to back playoff appearances with some golden oldies at QB, with ugliness in between. Time to see if we go with talented youth can change the tide.

He's really only the half decent QB I could come up with.

 

[iLLmatiC]

agree... and even disagree on Plummer.

But they've really only taken one shot with a high pick since '98 (jesus... that was 20 YEARS AGO?) when they took Leinart.

We haven't gone QB early for more than a decade. That's led to two separate back to back playoff appearances with some golden oldies at QB, with ugliness in between. Time to see if we go with talented youth can change the tide.

I also worry what that will cost us unless a QB falls to us at 15.

 

[splitsecond]

Only one dip season if we draft the right QB. If he's got the goods, we're ready to go for the next five years.

Sometimes you gotta take a step back to take two steps forward. Just like the Eagles/Rams did.

I also don't believe our "dip" would be that big - simply because our defense and running game are ahead of where the Eagles and Rams were and the Rams also had Jeff Fisher.

Bottom line is we need to sign someone AND draft someone.

 

[SeattleCard]

I believe!!!

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[Jersey Girl]

Dark times ahead.

Yup. I think it matters not who we sign and/or draft. Best bet would have been to get Garoppolo in a trade like the Niners pulled off. (Still can't believe that happened.) I think it's gonna be a really tough year. I'd hang on to hope, but used all that up over the past 30 seasons.

 

[Solar7]

agree... and even disagree on Plummer.

But they've really only taken one shot with a high pick since '98 (jesus... that was 20 YEARS AGO?) when they took Leinart.

We haven't gone QB early for more than a decade. That's led to two separate back to back playoff appearances with some golden oldies at QB, with ugliness in between. Time to see if we go with talented youth can change the tide.

Man, it really is terrible that we haven't taken a shot since then. I don't have any doubt we'll draft a QB this year, but how early is the big question.

No thanks to McCown though. All of the credit in the world to him for holding on this long, but our money needs to be saved for someone with at least slightly more to offer.

 

[oaken1]

all you guys stressing over rookie QB's...

Dan Marino. It was an anomoly back then really.

but Dak Prescott, R Wilson, Dashaun Watson (before getting hurt)all proved you can win with a rookie...

the trick is having a coach willing to adjust to the rookie..the college game has changed.
we just signed an OC who apparently excels at adjusting to his players.

we are seeing a trend in the nfl that has rookie QB's being more effective sooner rather than later... perhaps cost control has a lot to do with it as teams need the five years of cheap QB play in order to strengthen their rosters...so they adjust to the players rather than forcing the player to adjust to the pro game... then you slowly transition over a few seasons until your rook is running the offense you want.

watson was on pace for 4000 yards and around 42 TD's with 62% comp.... and he was only averaging 29 passes a game with an 8.3 yd avg.... dude was blowing it out of the park.

we can start a rookie QB
we can win with a rookie QB

 

[BigRedRage]

Now we are in the it doesn't matter at QB. Why not just stay with Stanton, Gabbert and what's his name. I can almost see where Bradford could be a good choice if he signed a cheap deal as long as we drafted our guy then if he got hurt mid-season we just put in the rookie. To me it's time to draft our guy and use the money to improve the rest of the team. We are going to have at least one bad season if for nothing else it will take the team at least half the season to get the new systems down. It's better to build for the long haul.

I would be happy with Stanton or Gabbert at QB for half the season and then put the rookie in for the rest so he can learn and be ready for 2019.

McCown is light years better than Stanton and gabber at this point. He could at least win us games while we tutor the young guy.

 

[Gandhi]

I have no problem with McCown and a rookie or two for QBs next year

Me neither, Bert, and I think what might be forgotten with this rumor is how much McCown would most likely be able to help any other quarterback, maybe especially a young one.

McCown has been highly respected and very well-liked for years both on and off the field, and he has earned a reputation for always saying the right things, always doing the right things and always doing whatever he can to help his team, both offensive and defensive. He is a very unselfish man, and several people along his way has told how he has tried his best to learn from every other quarterback and any other coach on his seven teams over the last 14 seasons. For the last seven years he has been a teacher and mentor to every young hotshot quarterback those teams have brought in, starting with Jay Cutler in Chicago. In fact, McCown is still a sort of mentor to Johnny Manziel, trying to get him to straighten out his life.

It is also obvious that he really gets the game and has some very interesting perspectives on it, and that he can communicate it and teach it to other players. In fact, when he got injured last season, Todd Bowles made him a so-called players coach, so that he could still help the team in the best way he was able to. I don’t know what he actually did on the sideline, but I think it speaks to what kind a guy he is. By the way, before the season he was offered the job as quarterback coach by the Browns.

I definitely agree that it would be kind of sad to see them sign Josh McCown to be the starter, at least if it was for the entire season, but if they sign him to be the mentor to a young guy they have drafted, I would be all in.

 

[Brak]

^^ great points Gandhi. McCown is a GREAT locker-room guy, a great leader of men, and would be respected by all. This is SO important at the QB position. I wonder what Fitz would think of him coming back and potentially being the starter all year?

 

[sdscard4]

No way McCown is better than Gabb. Have you all forgot what a horrible time it was with Josh? Offense was pathetic. He was pathetic. We don't win 4 games with that joke under center. Cmon

 

[sdscard4]

14 years and he has 3 seasons above 75 QBR. his 4 years with us is disgusting. Not even worth typing the horrible numbers

 

[TRW]

My word has it come to this? Might as well bring back Gabbert and Stanton.

Props to Josh but no, just no. If they sign Josh McCown as anything but an intern coach then my esteem for the Cards FO will be obliterated.

 

[oaken1]

I would be fine with Josh coming back to spend his final season in az....would even buy a new jersey...
I would be a little bummed if we put all our hopes in him and didnt draft a guy early...or never let the rook see the field.... that would suck.
but Josh is cool...good dude, plays hard and would be good for whatever young QB we have on the roster.

 

[WisconsinCard]

For what I figure is the same money I would rather have Bradford. I would assume that Josh will be looking for 10 to 12 mil for next year.

 

[daves]

No way McCown is better than Gabb. Have you all forgot what a horrible time it was with Josh? Offense was pathetic. He was pathetic. We don't win 4 games with that joke under center. Cmon

That was 12 years ago... McCown's passer rating even then was better than Gabbert or Stanton's ratings with the Cardinals of their ratings for their whole careers. Since leaving the Cardinals, McCown's passer rating has improved by 10 points into the low 80s, with a few recent years in the 90s and even over 100... something Gabbert & Stanton could never dream of.

...dbs

 

[TJ]

No way McCown is better than Gabb. Have you all forgot what a horrible time it was with Josh? Offense was pathetic. He was pathetic. We don't win 4 games with that joke under center. Cmon

McCown is a considerably better quarterback than when he was here.

Last season, McCown won 5 games in 13 starts with a Jets team that was completely devoid of talent virtually everywhere (a team picked to win 1 game before the season).

McCown is not my first choice by any means, but we can do a lot worse as a stopgap. He's a good man and would be more than willing to bridge the gap for the QBoF when he's drafted this season.

 

[sdscard4]

That was 12 years ago... McCown's passer rating even then was better than Gabbert or Stanton's ratings with the Cardinals of their ratings for their whole careers. Since leaving the Cardinals, McCown's passer rating has improved by 10 points into the low 80s, with a few recent years in the 90s and even over 100... something Gabbert & Stanton could never dream of.

...dbs

14 yrs only 3 with a QBR over 75. Stats don't lie accept it. 80% of his career is horrendous......dbs

 

[Arz101]

McCown?

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[daves]

14 yrs only 3 with a QBR over 75. Stats don't lie accept it. 80% of his career is horrendous......dbs

And what part of Gabbert's career is NOT horrendous?

...dbs

 

[sdscard4]

I must say his Cleveland time was decent with 1year of pulling over 90. Is he better than 2004 ....yeah but not by much

 

[sdscard4]

And what part of Gabbert's career is NOT horrendous?

...dbs

They actually are similar....overthrown balls....killing WR....and bonehead throws. I still see an upside in Blaine

 

[devilalum]

Just say no to McClown.


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[sdscard4]

If you had your choice
Bradford
Bridgewater
Taylor
Keenum
Foles
McCown
Gabbert
Which one makes you vomit the most.
I'm sure the 2 we going back and forth on would be top 2 lol

 

[sdscard4]

I still want Dalton . so I'm the minority for sure