Meat to the Wolves: My Preliminary QB list for the draft

[AsUpRoDiGy]

54.0% 1234yds 8TD's 6INT's .. 104Rush 617yds 5.9avg 8TD's 6 feet tall


66.1% 2854yds 30TD's 7INT's ... 264Rush 1473YDS 5.6AVG 20TD's 6'5" Tall


59.1% 3660YDS 27TD's 10INT's .....232Rush 1601YDS 6.9AVG 18TD's 6'3" Tall



Three "running" QB's... The first two were selected #1 overall in the NFL draft.... the third is Lamar Jackson.... the listed stat line is each guys final year in college...

on top of those stats lets look at attempts.... First QB, Michael Vick...161 pass attempts with a 7.7 Y/A

second QB Cam Newton with 280 attempts at 10.2 Y/A


Third QB Lamar Jackson with 430 attempts at 8.5 Y/A


what the stats show is that both Cam and Lamar were throwing further downfield than Vick... but it also shows that Lamar was throwing a hell of a lot more than either Cam or Vick

The biggest knock on Lamar is level of competition...when he played against top schools his stats dipped....Vick faced actually less competition while Cam faced top teams almost every week.
But one has to keep in mind that it wasnt just Lamar facing top competition..it was his entire team.... how many Louisville RB's are going high in the draft?? How many olinemen?
The thing about facing top competition is usually you also have a top team...like Cam had at Auburn..
The Cardinals(az) are an nfl team who just made a super bowl run a few years ago and the past two years we have seen what happens when an oline is overwhelmed...
I think the biggest issue in the NFL for Lamar will be the speed of the game... he is a better passer than Vick and he is a better runner than Cam... but Vick produced with his feet for a few years while he learned to be a pocket passer...and so did Cam...in honesty Cam has always been pass first he just didnt wait too long for guys to get open.

with some coaching to teach him to use his legs just to extend a play, buy some time...and also to go ahead and take the dump off pass... Jackson can be a very good pro QB... his completion percentage will go way up if he just takes the relief pass instead of always looking to throw 20 yards downfield.
as far as draft goes... one might think if Mike Vick was a #1 overall pick then why not Lamar Jackson? But the game has changed and Mike Vick would not be a top five pick in this years draft.... Cam would still be a top three pick though...
Lamar is a conundrum... but I think when you look at the history of QB's in the draft he is worthy of the #15 pick in this draft...and that is even before you consider his WR's 12% drop rate..
when you also consider he has none of the "alleged" character issues it makes it even easier

Good write up! What worries me most about Jackson is his frame. He looks like a toothpick out there, and while he's listed at 6'3" (which is generous), he doesn't look any heavier than 200 lbs. An NFL weight room could obviously help that, but he just has a naturally thin frame. He's the most raw out of the top 6-7 QB's, but he also has one of the highest ceilings. However, I can see Keim standing pat at #15 and being leap-frogged, again, for all the good QB's, again.

 

[BillsCarnage]

I don’t get how the Giants “don’t” need one, but the Dolphins do?

They have Eli, so that's how they don't need one. They can probably ride him another year or two w/o drafting a QB this year.

The Cardinals need a QB. Litterally

 

[Solar7]

I tend to agree and he's the one I'm looking at for the Cards at #15. Once Cousins lands we'll have a better idea of the affect on the draft. This has the makings of a crazy draft because there are so many quality QBs available.

Will Indy trade down?
If the Jets land Cousins would they trade down for a team wanting to trade up for a QB?

Gonna be fun.

My thoughts how the teams sit.

Cleveland - Yes, need a QB and could trade this pick
NY Giants - Don't need a QB, but should draft one
Indy - Don't need a QB, but could trade down
Cleveland - Yes, need a QB and could trade this pick
Denver - need a QB and in a good spot to trade either direction
NY Jets - need a QB and in a good spot to trade either direction

Now it starts getting interesting.

TB - are they sold on Winston? Probably. I don't see them drafting a QB this early.
Chicago - Don't need a QB
SF - Don't need a QB
Oakland - Don't need a QB
Miami - They need a QB and the Cards might need to jump ahead of them.
Cincy - Don't need a QB
Washington - Don't need a QB
GB - Don't need a QB
Cardinals - duh

Below the Cards are maybe 3-4 teams who could look at moving up.

Baltimore might look at a QB, but I don't think they have the resources to jump to the top 10; they don't even have a first rounder this year.

Pitt and Buffalo could look at moving up, though I doubt Pitt would move up far enough. Buffalo could package their two pick to jump the Cards.

Unless the Cards move up, they're probably looking at Rudolph, Allen or Jackson.

I still think Indy is very much on the board for a QB, especially if the Giants passed.

 

[oaken1]

Sadly... Keims history tells us he is going to trade a 2nd and maybe more to Philly for Nick Foles.
If he does that I really hope the picks are from next years batch and not this years...we can add a lot of talent this year with our four picks in the first three rounds.

 

[Solar7]

Sadly... Keims history tells us he is going to trade a 2nd and maybe more to Philly for Nick Foles.
If he does that I really hope the picks are from next years batch and not this years...we can add a lot of talent this year with our four picks in the first three rounds.

How does his history tell us that at all? He traded pocket lint for Palmer, and a 2nd & Cooper for one of our best defensive players on the roster. Peterson is really the only questionable trade he's made.

 

[oaken1]

How does his history tell us that at all? He traded pocket lint for Palmer, and a 2nd & Cooper for one of our best defensive players on the roster. Peterson is really the only questionable trade he's made.

His history shows us he has little tiny baby balls and wont get a valid QB in the draft...instead, he will trade for a vet who has proven he can lead a team.

I am giving him credit by suggesting Foles.... but he wont get Foles for a seventh round pick

trading a second and dumping a bust for a top 5 pass rusher in his prime is a no brainer... the Browns could have pulled that one off

 

[Chopper0080]

Darnold is special, and I don't understand how people don't see it.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Darnold is special, and I don't understand how people don't see it.

As far as arm talent goes...Darnold is off the charts. He makes spectacular throws look easy. If he goes to NY with Shurmur grooming him...I think he'll be a top 10 QB within 3 years.

 

[CardLogic]

Selling the farm, to buy seed(s) is not a rewarding strategy!

 

[Chopper0080]

Selling the farm, to buy seed(s) is not a rewarding strategy!

This mindset really bugs me.

We have the worst coach in our division.
We have the worst QB in our division.
Only the 49ers have had a longer playoff drought than us in our division.
We have the third most cap space in our division.

Don't try and tell me that we are in a good situation. We aren't. Don't try and tell me that slow and steady will win this race. It won't. We are in a very precarious position, and if we don't aggressively address our QB situation this year, all of the above will stay true except for the playoff drought part. Bruce Arians isn't riding in to save us this time, and we aren't getting Carson Palmer for a 6th round pick.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This mindset really bugs me.

I get it. No risk it, no biscuit........and when the risk doesn't work out, are you prepared, to support the team's decision to sell the farm for a QB, and say, "Well, at least they went for it" and support them as they wait until the next opportunity arises in 2 or 3 years ?

If so, then I can respect the risk mentality you want the organization to follow. If you were to turn your back on the organization for doing what you think is right, if the risk were to come up short, then what are you really selling here other than a catch-22 ?

You will be unhappy if the team doesn't take a major risk, but also unhappy if they risk and do not come out on top, is not really anything to worry about if you are the person making the decisions.

My personal rule, is when you find yourself in a catch-22 situation, do what you think is best, because either way you are screwed, and might as well be screwed and do what you believe in, then be screwed AND work on something you do not.

Mind you I write this, not knowing your personal mindset, just justifying why some people are not willing to bet the farm. If you are more than prepared to deal with the repercussions, good and bad, of the team taking a big risk, and would stand by it, then I think that is a valid argument.

I get from your posts that you think the Cardinals should bet the farm on Sam Darnold, which if it happened I would support. But, it is a BIG RISK. Yet, if you personally believe in Darnold, then I get it, 100% get it.

It would be very hypocritical of me to question the risk in getting Darnold if you think he is that special, when I have the same belief in one Teddy Bridgewater, and think the Cardinals should jump at him if he hits free agency. Points can be made for and against both QB's in question but it is valid reasoning behind each, and yet each has its own risk.

I am definitely the more conservative type, so I do not see any QB in the draft worth trading up for, and I do not think spending a large chunk of the team's cap on a QB that has yet to win a playoff game in this NFL is a smart move anyway.

But, in my case, I am prepared to deal with the repercussions of the Cardinals being conservative, and going into the next season with a Tyrod Taylor and Lamar Jackson (for the sake of example) QB room.

We have the worst coach in our division.
We have the worst QB in our division.

Coach hasn't coached a game, or even a practice. You think we can give the guy at least till week 1 of the season. Sean McVay was nothing more than a young, new coach until he hit the regular season. Any chance we give our own organization that time frame ?

QB is not even on the team yet.

Both are worst in the league already ?

Based on just that statement, it looks like you have this team dead and buried, and are then wringing your hands about what they will do next ? The only question you are leaving yourself with is, what can the Cardinals possibly do that would be a positive in your eyes, cause you are not leaving much of an option there.

Its February 12th.

 

[oaken1]

I get it. No risk it, no biscuit........and when the risk doesn't work out, are you prepared, to support the team's decision to sell the farm for a QB, and say, "Well, at least they went for it" and support them as they wait until the next opportunity arises in 2 or 3 years ?

If so, then I can respect the risk mentality you want the organization to follow. If you were to turn your back on the organization for doing what you think is right, if the risk were to come up short, then what are you really selling here other than a catch-22 ?

You will be unhappy if the team doesn't take a major risk, but also unhappy if they risk and do not come out on top, is not really anything to worry about if you are the person making the decisions.

My personal rule, is when you find yourself in a catch-22 situation, do what you think is best, because either way you are screwed, and might as well be screwed and do what you believe in, then be screwed AND work on something you do not.

Mind you I write this, not knowing your personal mindset, just justifying why some people are not willing to bet the farm. If you are more than prepared to deal with the repercussions, good and bad, of the team taking a big risk, and would stand by it, then I think that is a valid argument.

I get from your posts that you think the Cardinals should bet the farm on Sam Darnold, which if it happened I would support. But, it is a BIG RISK. Yet, if you personally believe in Darnold, then I get it, 100% get it.

It would be very hypocritical of me to question the risk in getting Darnold if you think he is that special, when I have the same belief in one Teddy Bridgewater, and think the Cardinals should jump at him if he hits free agency. Points can be made for and against both QB's in question but it is valid reasoning behind each, and yet each has its own risk.

I am definitely the more conservative type, so I do not see any QB in the draft worth trading up for, and I do not think spending a large chunk of the team's cap on a QB that has yet to win a playoff game in this NFL is a smart move anyway.

But, in my case, I am prepared to deal with the repercussions of the Cardinals being conservative, and going into the next season with a Tyrod Taylor and Lamar Jackson (for the sake of example) QB room.



Coach hasn't coached a game, or even a practice. You think we can give the guy at least till week 1 of the season. Sean McVay was nothing more than a young, new coach until he hit the regular season. Any chance we give our own organization that time frame ?

QB is not even on the team yet.

Both are worst in the league already ?

Based on just that statement, it looks like you have this team dead and buried, and are then wringing your hands about what they will do next ? The only question you are leaving yourself with is, what can the Cardinals possibly do that would be a positive in your eyes, cause you are not leaving much of an option there.

Its February 12th.

just like the vikes have bridgewater, keenum, and bradford right now...we have stanton, gabbert, and Barkley... so I agree with chopper that we have the "worst" QB in the division... because those are our guys until the new league year opens.

I have never been a fan of the blockbuster trades before. But watching this team wallow in mediocrity for so many decades has changed my thinking.

we signed Kurt Warner to a cheap contract after having some awesome rookies come in from great drafts... Kurt took us to the SB but we didnt win.. also on that team were a few free agents that made a huge difference for us... most notably off the cuff... Bertrand Berry.
after that SB, we signed Kurt to a new contract more in line with his market value.... and we never returned to the super bowl... not being able to pay guys like Karlos Dansby is part of the reason why...we couldnt pay Dansby a market deal because our money was tied up.

Later we get Palmer for a steal in a trade..awesome, Carson was a steadfast guy for us and he fit BA's offense to a T.... but due to his market value contract we couldnt bring in too many playmakers as FA... we got Iupati and Veldheer to try and help Palmer be successful...oline is always good... But we really needed to get impact players from our drafts because we didnt have much money to work with.... that got us destroyed in the NFC Championship game and nothing more because our draft picks were always sitting on the bench until this past year when they had to get on the field because we didnt have any other bodies to put out there.

Now we need a QB again...but keep in mind that here in another year or so we have a young LT who is going to get around $13mil a year...either from us or from somebody else. we need that young LT to protect our new QB.... so do we spend our money on the QB knowing we have to draft and groom another young LT?
we also have a franchise level RB who will be up for a contract in a year or so... if his agent is any good he will also be looking for around $12mil per year.
at WR we have Larry...love Larry, but he only has a couple more years in him so we need to find his replacement... not only that but we also need to find guys to compliment him while he is still here.

what our history shows is that our best chance at winning a SB was back when we had Warner on a cap friendly deal... but as soon as we started paying him market value the overall talent level on the team dropped and we never made it back to the big game.

so...does it make more sense to spend our entire cap on a QB hoping the rest of the roster is SB ready?

Or does it make more sense to draft a QB, have him on cost control for the next five years...keep our young talent and still have the flexibility to bring in free agents to fill holes with talent?

Steve Keim does not draft as well as Denny Green and so far Dennys players have gotten us the closest...when we had cap space.

Then there is the definition of "selling the farm"... is trading 2 firsts selling the farm? Hell,... it will take that long to see if the young guy is going to work out in some cases...unless dude goes all johnny manziel and completely destroys his life..... I would hope that any guy they trade up for would get at least three years to show he has what it takes...

or do we have to trade 5 or 6 picks to be considered selling the farm?

I aint a fan of blockbuster trades... but what we have done so far has not worked..and our own team history has proven that having a QB on a market value contract decreases our chances while having a good QB on the cheap and having cap space has gotten us further.

I would trade our 2019 and 2020 first round picks to swap with cleveland and get the number 1 pick...probably even throw in a third rounder with it...and not consider that trading the farm.
There is risk... the player may bust.
But the reward is not only getting a franchise QB... but getting that QB and having enough cap flexibility for the next five years to build the team around him.

if we fail, then we fail and the next few years will suck... but going 4-12 with a busted rookie QB...well... that aint any worse than going 8-8 with an over paid vet.

at least with the busted rook...once we are back in the first round it will be a good enough pick to try for his replacement.... the overpaid vet just keeps us right here...8-8...mediocre....with no way out.

 

[POISON]

I’ll cry if we draft Rudolph btw.

Waaahhhh

 

[POISON]

Darnold is special, and I don't understand how people don't see it.

The guy is catastrophic when it comes to turnovers, thats how...

 

[oaken1]

The guy is catastrophic when it comes to turnovers, thats how...

"catastrophic"...lol

Yet somehow he has a 20-4 w/l record, a pac 12 title, a rose bowl win and an archie griffin award... rose bowl record for passing yards, and another for passing TD's


yeah... the dude is a catastrophe...

cat·a·stroph·ic
ˌkadəˈsträfik/
adjective

1. 1.
   involving or causing sudden great damage or suffering.
   "a catastrophic earthquake"
   • 
     
     
2. 2.
   extremely unfortunate or unsuccessful.
   "catastrophic mismanagement of the economy"

 

[RugbyMuffin]

just like the vikes have bridgewater, keenum, and bradford right now...we have stanton, gabbert, and Barkley... so I agree with chopper that we have the "worst" QB in the division... because those are our guys until the new league year opens.

I have never been a fan of the blockbuster trades before. But watching this team wallow in mediocrity for so many decades has changed my thinking.

we signed Kurt Warner to a cheap contract after having some awesome rookies come in from great drafts... Kurt took us to the SB but we didnt win.. also on that team were a few free agents that made a huge difference for us... most notably off the cuff... Bertrand Berry.
after that SB, we signed Kurt to a new contract more in line with his market value.... and we never returned to the super bowl... not being able to pay guys like Karlos Dansby is part of the reason why...we couldnt pay Dansby a market deal because our money was tied up.

Later we get Palmer for a steal in a trade..awesome, Carson was a steadfast guy for us and he fit BA's offense to a T.... but due to his market value contract we couldnt bring in too many playmakers as FA... we got Iupati and Veldheer to try and help Palmer be successful...oline is always good... But we really needed to get impact players from our drafts because we didnt have much money to work with.... that got us destroyed in the NFC Championship game and nothing more because our draft picks were always sitting on the bench until this past year when they had to get on the field because we didnt have any other bodies to put out there.

Now we need a QB again...but keep in mind that here in another year or so we have a young LT who is going to get around $13mil a year...either from us or from somebody else. we need that young LT to protect our new QB.... so do we spend our money on the QB knowing we have to draft and groom another young LT?
we also have a franchise level RB who will be up for a contract in a year or so... if his agent is any good he will also be looking for around $12mil per year.
at WR we have Larry...love Larry, but he only has a couple more years in him so we need to find his replacement... not only that but we also need to find guys to compliment him while he is still here.

what our history shows is that our best chance at winning a SB was back when we had Warner on a cap friendly deal... but as soon as we started paying him market value the overall talent level on the team dropped and we never made it back to the big game.

so...does it make more sense to spend our entire cap on a QB hoping the rest of the roster is SB ready?

Or does it make more sense to draft a QB, have him on cost control for the next five years...keep our young talent and still have the flexibility to bring in free agents to fill holes with talent?

Steve Keim does not draft as well as Denny Green and so far Dennys players have gotten us the closest...when we had cap space.

Then there is the definition of "selling the farm"... is trading 2 firsts selling the farm? Hell,... it will take that long to see if the young guy is going to work out in some cases...unless dude goes all johnny manziel and completely destroys his life..... I would hope that any guy they trade up for would get at least three years to show he has what it takes...

or do we have to trade 5 or 6 picks to be considered selling the farm?

I aint a fan of blockbuster trades... but what we have done so far has not worked..and our own team history has proven that having a QB on a market value contract decreases our chances while having a good QB on the cheap and having cap space has gotten us further.

I would trade our 2019 and 2020 first round picks to swap with cleveland and get the number 1 pick...probably even throw in a third rounder with it...and not consider that trading the farm.
There is risk... the player may bust.
But the reward is not only getting a franchise QB... but getting that QB and having enough cap flexibility for the next five years to build the team around him.

if we fail, then we fail and the next few years will suck... but going 4-12 with a busted rookie QB...well... that aint any worse than going 8-8 with an over paid vet.

at least with the busted rook...once we are back in the first round it will be a good enough pick to try for his replacement.... the overpaid vet just keeps us right here...8-8...mediocre....with no way out.

Great points.

Is selling the farm two 1st's, etc., etc. <-- That is something to think about. Especially with the thought that if you give a guy 3 years, then you can "eat" those two years of 1st round picks. Interesting to say the least.

BTW, Stanton, Gabbert and Barkley are free agents, so technically there are zero QBs on the roster right now.

 

[overseascardfan]

I am not at all trying to kill the messenger, Overseascardfan, and thank you for sharing. I just think it has to be one of those wild rumors where the reporter makes sure that, if what he says this early actually happens, he can say afterwards that his reporting was right all along. I mean, if the Cardinals, nearly three months out, really do have a feel for how the draft will unfold, then they are almost certainly in big trouble. I would hope that they actually do put some stock into Pro Days, the Combine, meeting with players, watching a lot of tape and everything else that is left in the draft process.

Oh, I am with you. Gambo claims to always be in the know but it seems like he’s in the know a couple of minutes before we know. I’m sure there is plenty of info he doesn’t know because team officials don’t want him publicly blabbing over the radio so everyone knows including other teams.

 

[Chopper0080]

I get it. No risk it, no biscuit........and when the risk doesn't work out, are you prepared, to support the team's decision to sell the farm for a QB, and say, "Well, at least they went for it" and support them as they wait until the next opportunity arises in 2 or 3 years ?

If so, then I can respect the risk mentality you want the organization to follow. If you were to turn your back on the organization for doing what you think is right, if the risk were to come up short, then what are you really selling here other than a catch-22 ?

You will be unhappy if the team doesn't take a major risk, but also unhappy if they risk and do not come out on top, is not really anything to worry about if you are the person making the decisions.

My personal rule, is when you find yourself in a catch-22 situation, do what you think is best, because either way you are screwed, and might as well be screwed and do what you believe in, then be screwed AND work on something you do not.

Mind you I write this, not knowing your personal mindset, just justifying why some people are not willing to bet the farm. If you are more than prepared to deal with the repercussions, good and bad, of the team taking a big risk, and would stand by it, then I think that is a valid argument.

I get from your posts that you think the Cardinals should bet the farm on Sam Darnold, which if it happened I would support. But, it is a BIG RISK. Yet, if you personally believe in Darnold, then I get it, 100% get it.

It would be very hypocritical of me to question the risk in getting Darnold if you think he is that special, when I have the same belief in one Teddy Bridgewater, and think the Cardinals should jump at him if he hits free agency. Points can be made for and against both QB's in question but it is valid reasoning behind each, and yet each has its own risk.

I am definitely the more conservative type, so I do not see any QB in the draft worth trading up for, and I do not think spending a large chunk of the team's cap on a QB that has yet to win a playoff game in this NFL is a smart move anyway.

But, in my case, I am prepared to deal with the repercussions of the Cardinals being conservative, and going into the next season with a Tyrod Taylor and Lamar Jackson (for the sake of example) QB room.



Coach hasn't coached a game, or even a practice. You think we can give the guy at least till week 1 of the season. Sean McVay was nothing more than a young, new coach until he hit the regular season. Any chance we give our own organization that time frame ?

QB is not even on the team yet.

Both are worst in the league already ?

Based on just that statement, it looks like you have this team dead and buried, and are then wringing your hands about what they will do next ? The only question you are leaving yourself with is, what can the Cardinals possibly do that would be a positive in your eyes, cause you are not leaving much of an option there.

Its February 12th.

A couple points to address with this, some have already been shared by Oaken.

1-If we made this trade, we are doing to so to have our CHOICE of the best QB in this draft. If all of the QBs in this draft are terrible, than we made a move to just make a move. If we select the wrong QB, then we failed to identify the correct player, but the move was good. If we get the right guy, we made the right move and go the correct guy...awesome. The point being that it doesn't necessarily have to work out for it to be the right move. This is why I hate the idea of moving up to get the 3rd best guy. There is a higher chance that he won't succeed.

2-Oaken pointed out that multiple 1st round picks shouldn't be considered the farm when it comes to the reward of getting a young QB to build your franchise around.

3-Our coach has not coached a game yet, so yes, he is not as good at this point as any of the other coaches in our division. It could change, but I have a tough time seeing it do so without top end QB.

4-What QB do you think we can get who is better than Goff, Wilson and Garappolo? The only option that I see we are competitive is if we go and get the best QB in this draft class. None of the FA options are better when you consider cost/age/talent.

5-I don't think we are dead and buried at this point, but I don't believe that we are on the verge of that. It is Feb 12, and already those statements are true. I don't see how any of that changes unless we take a more aggressive approach this off-season which will have to revolve around making a big move at the QB position.

The score card reads right now...

Pete Carroll / Russell Wilson (Super Bowl winning coach and QB, top 5 QB in the NFL)
Sean McVay / Jared Goff (made playoffs and set career highs in their first year)
Kyle Shannahan / Jimmy Garappolo (6-10 first year, 5-0 when the combo started together)
Steve Wilks / ??? (no previous head coaching experience, no QB on the roster)

 

[WildBB]

Chopper you'd need the #1 pick to guarantee Darnold. That's even if Clevland would consider it. The cost would be steep, very steep.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Chopper you'd need the #1 pick to guarantee Darnold. That's even if Clevland would consider it. The cost would be steep, very steep.

Agreed.

To put it bluntly, the question on the table is:

If the QB of the future is going to get 3 years to prove himself, then why not put in two 1st round picks to get him since you have a QB solution for the next 3 years anyway.

Plus, if you do not spend the two 1st round picks to get said "can't miss" QB, then are the two players you choose in the first round in the following years going to produce enough to make this team competitive for a title without a top QB ?

Good question if you ask me.

 

[CardLogic]

It is very likely that at least one or two very good NFL QB's come out of this years draft class. However, there is not one iota of consensus on which QB in this draft will be the "best"! There is no Andrew Luck equivalent this year; if anything, all of the candidates are significantly flawed. So moving up to take "the best" QB in this years's draft has a much higher chance for failure than for success.

I'm not suggesting that the Cardinals don't make any moves to attempt to secure a QB in this draft. In fact, they should! But I wouldn't "sell the farm" to do so; maybe just a cow or two!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It is very likely that at least one or two very good NFL QB's come out of this years draft class. However, there is not one iota of consensus on which QB in this draft will be the "best"! There is no Andrew Luck equivalent this year; if anything, all of the candidates are significantly flawed. So moving up to take "the best" QB in this years's draft has a much higher chance for failure than for success.

I'm not suggesting that the Cardinals don't make any moves to attempt to secure a QB in this draft. In fact, they should! But I wouldn't "sell the farm" to do so; maybe just a cow or two!

I am in agreement that I do not think strongly of any of the QB's to take the risk, but many are on board with Sam Darnold and/or Josh Rosen being at the "Andrew Luck level".

And I believe it is a fair argument for both QB's and in my personal opinion, I think Sam Darnold has a lot of potential, especially if you watch a little bit of what he was doing two years ago. It was impressive.

 

[juza76]

Am I wrong? Sam darnold looks like the more closest version to brett favre

 

[Chopper0080]

It is very likely that at least one or two very good NFL QB's come out of this years draft class. However, there is not one iota of consensus on which QB in this draft will be the "best"! There is no Andrew Luck equivalent this year; if anything, all of the candidates are significantly flawed. So moving up to take "the best" QB in this years's draft has a much higher chance for failure than for success.

I'm not suggesting that the Cardinals don't make any moves to attempt to secure a QB in this draft. In fact, they should! But I wouldn't "sell the farm" to do so; maybe just a cow or two!

Carson Wentz wasn't an Andrew Luck level QB and now he is great. Goff wasn't, and now looks ok. Watson...same.

If the plan is to wait for a 6'5, 240lb QB with an NFL arm from a pro style college system, we are going to be waiting for a long time. If the goal is to get a guy with similar traits...there are options this year. Darnold has the arm strength and aggressiveness but is not from a pro style system, and is raw. Rosen is more polished, but is not as mobile as Darnold, nor does he have that type of arm. Both seem like hard workers. Rosen, I have more questions about. These are as good of guys as any recent class.

This sell the farm nonsense is just that. How many draft picks is Matt Ryan worth? Russell Wilson? Carson Wentz?

 

[WildBB]

Carson Wentz wasn't an Andrew Luck level QB and now he is great. Goff wasn't, and now looks ok. Watson...same.

If the plan is to wait for a 6'5, 240lb QB with an NFL arm from a pro style college system, we are going to be waiting for a long time. If the goal is to get a guy with similar traits...there are options this year. Darnold has the arm strength and aggressiveness but is not from a pro style system, and is raw. Rosen is more polished, but is not as mobile as Darnold, nor does he have that type of arm. Both seem like hard workers. Rosen, I have more questions about. These are as good of guys as any recent class.

This sell the farm nonsense is just that. How many draft picks is Matt Ryan worth? Russell Wilson? Carson Wentz?

Ryan and Wentz were proven winners/leaders in college. So was Watson last year. Don't think any of them really check that box this year. Darnold is probably closest. Clevland will take him. Giants may make them an offer. We'd have to give up this and next years 1 and 2's, and then some to pry that pick away. And they already have a boat load of picks. They might not even need more.

More realistic would be to target one of the other QB's (Mayfield, Allen) after Darnold is off the board and move into the top 10 to secure said player. Thus eliminating teams that would jump ahead of you and take their QBOF. I think that's their best bet.

Unless they really plan to go another direction, stay put and put their faith in one of the longer shots or at OL.

If they go OL first, they could look to trade back into the first for Jackson, Faulk or Rudolph if they last into the 20's.