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He has the exact number of sacks last three years as Michael Bennett. There's also a lot more to judge a player on than just sacks.
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Talent costs money. If the Cards want to maximize their window of opportunity, they'll pony up the money.
Plus, all their big name/stars, other than HB are already locked up long term so the deal will not affect upcoming negotiations with potential FA's.
Plus, all their big name/stars, other than HB are already locked up long term so the deal will not affect upcoming negotiations with potential FA's.
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Yup. We can stand our ground and watch another season pass without a Championship.
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I think it is a matter of finding the right guy more than the money. Cards were willing to go for it with JPP, but he opted for less money to stay in NY. Can't compete with that. I'd be satisfied if we get some secondary help and maybe an upgrade a Center in FA and let the draft/player development take care of the rest.
There is no edge rusher left that the Cards should be willing to overpay for in 2016.
This. I realize our options were limited and we can't force guys to sign here. However, all this hey I am OK with it...glad we didn't stuff?!?
If we don't solve this problem this window is going to just come that much closer to shutting. We are not going to solve this next year by drafting a rookie.
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If the Jags are in they will win....they have WAY WAY WAY more $ to spend.
If it's about $$$
If it's about winning and coaching....Cards win
If it's about $$$
If it's about winning and coaching....Cards win
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I think the perspective of those of us who are okay with it and are glad we didn't don't think particularly highly of the players available, and realize that this team isn't really "the same old Cardinals" that have a flash in the pan team ala 2008-2009. While Carson's play is certainly a key to success, perception around the league (at least from national articles I've read) is that the Cardinals are built for sustainable success. And that sustainable success means not overpaying for a guy who truly isn't a difference maker. I don't want to drop $15 million per on a guy who doesn't see the field much, or is just as good as Markus Golden was in his rookie year. This team needs a dynamic pass rusher, and paying a guy that isn't like he is doesn't mean he's going to produce.
It's not a pleasant situation to be in, but it's the reality of the market, just like quarterback.
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agreed. You're not going to get someone who can rush the passer at bargain basement prices in FA. If it's a major need (and it is), you gotta play ball if this D is going to take a step up.
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Carson's got 2 years left, IMO and there's no such thing as sustainable success without a QB. The time is now. This is the time to roll the dice.
+1. You have to look at it from the "now". Sure you want to make moves to give you talent down the road but who knows how long it will take the Cards to get their hands on a legit QB again. It could be years.
You know what the window probably is with the veterans we have. You have to make a move now. I would prefer they take a risk while the window is open verses doing nothing and watching it close.
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Our window is now. I don't believe that you need to be perfectly efficient capwise 100 percent of the time.
I think you should be prudent as a rule, but every once in a while, when you are a piece away, or the window is closing, you need to use up some of that space you created from being prudent.
It's like when you were a kid going door to door on Halloween and getting all that candy. You might save the best for awhile, and in the end you may not eat it. I'm just saying make sure to eat the good stuff once in a while so it doesn't go to waste. I think that's us and pass rushers during Palmer's still open but due to age shrinking window.
I think you should be prudent as a rule, but every once in a while, when you are a piece away, or the window is closing, you need to use up some of that space you created from being prudent.
It's like when you were a kid going door to door on Halloween and getting all that candy. You might save the best for awhile, and in the end you may not eat it. I'm just saying make sure to eat the good stuff once in a while so it doesn't go to waste. I think that's us and pass rushers during Palmer's still open but due to age shrinking window.
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agreed. if we go into next season not having done anything but drafting a late first or second round pass rusher and hoping and praying that someone else on the team steps up, we'll have another really fun regular season, probably win anywhere from 10-13 games and lose in the playoffs. You can't win a Super Bowl when you literally have ZERO major impact players in your front 7, especially with one of your major playmakers in the secondary coming off a second ACL surgery.
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So there are teams who maybe are not looking for a pass rushers in the 1st round of the draft
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No way the Cardinals can compete for a star pass rusher with so many teams who have excessive cap space. The Cardinals can't afford to blow their remaining cap space on one player.
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Who was the star pass rusher?
Bunk... The cards could easily afford a high dollar free agent... And have money left over... This team is almost there and has a very small window to win a Super Bowl sometimes it's worth it... Nobody saying you have to go on a shopping spree with a bunch of free agents but they need to improve the front seven and especially the pass rush if not we're just a good team with NotSh nobody saying you have to go on a shopping spree with a bunch of free agents but they need to improve your front seven and especially the pass rush if not we're just a good team with no **** at title.... Whoopeeee
Vernon. Not really a star but more of a high price free agent.
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The thing is, it's not like we didn't try. JPP went elsewhere. Hali never made it to market. Mario Williams just busted hard in a 3-4 alignment and hated doing it.
That leaves Vernon and Irvin as potential options, but if we don't believe they're an upgrade, then why bring them on board? Neither one has shown to be an elite pass rusher.
That leaves Vernon and Irvin as potential options, but if we don't believe they're an upgrade, then why bring them on board? Neither one has shown to be an elite pass rusher.
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the idea that neither would be an upgrade over the complete and utter drek we have right now is really over-stating what we have now. For all the talk of "Golden gets a lot of hurries!" that means a hill of beans to me. Against the best offenses in the league, our D got TORCHED repeatedly (Bengals - 31 points, Seattle 32 and 36 points, Carolina - a billion points) because they couldn't get to the passer.
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okay... that's too much money for that guy.
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Yikes!!
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If that's even remotely true then it's absolute insanity. He would be the highest paid guy on our roster. A guy that contributed 7.5 sacks last year.
Freeney gave us 8 for $870,000
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