Miami/Riley Hot after Amare- Per Yahoo..

[Cheesebeef]

as opposed to......nothing?

at the very least it says we're not willing to... eh, like i said, i don't really care. part of me wanted them to make that deal so they'd be even bigger jokes than they are now, but the other part of me just doesn't care enough either way it shakes out.

 

[Covert Rain]

as opposed to......nothing?

Im not saying I love any of these trades but if amare gives us the finger this summer, which he will. yikes.

I am with you. If all you get is crap, you take the best crap available. There is no scenario in which getting nothing for a player of Amare's Caliber nets you nothing in return. I don't want crappy contracts.

However, at least if you net a pick, there is chance to package that and make something of it.

Hopefully, there is still some trade scenarios out there but there is no way Amare resigns unless the Suns budge from offering him the max contract.

at the very least it says we're not willing to... eh, like i said, i don't really care. part of me wanted them to make that deal so they'd be even bigger jokes than they are now, but the other part of me just doesn't care enough either way it shakes out.

On the flip side, if Amare walks for nothing.....it will net the same result. This front office will be viewed as more of a disaster then it already is.

 

[TheHopToad]

Im not saying I love any of these trades but if amare gives us the finger this summer, which he will. yikes.

No way Amare is going to leave this summer. He has a player option for $17.7M for next year. You know it, I know it, and Amare damn well knows that there isn't a team that is going to pay him anywhere close to that if he opts out. He's not worth it and he and his Happy agent know it...

He'll exercise his option, no matter who he plays for....

 

[Covert Rain]

No way Amare is going to leave this summer. He has a player option for $17.7M for next year. You know it, I know it, and Amare damn well knows that there isn't a team that is going to pay him anywhere close to that if he opts out. He's not worth it and he and his Happy agent know it...

He'll exercise his option, no matter who he plays for....

I just don't see how you can say that. Every single year there is some team that pays a player and everybody goes WTF!!!! It happens every year. There is always a team stupid enough to do what you think they won't.

Not to mention that indications the last two seasons have been that there are a lot of team interested in Amare. That alone will ensure at some level a bidding war if he becomes a free agent.

 

[Cheesebeef]

On the flip side, if Amare walks for nothing.....it will net the same result. This front office will be viewed as more of a disaster then it already is.

that's fine with me too. the worse they look, the quicker people stop going to games, buying merchandise, the faster Sarver decides it's time to cut and run on his investment and we get an owner who actually gives a damn about winning. amare or no amare or draft picks, ain't nothing gonna change for this team until we get rid of this horror show of a FO.

 

[Chaplin]

Wait, so let me get this straight.. most of you would rather amare walk for nothing then get a prospect and cap room.

Ill be sure to book mark that this summer when amare says peace.

LOL, if Amare walks it IS cap room. So the question is if people are happy that we didn't get a prospect.

 

[SunsTzu]

LOL, if Amare walks it IS cap room. So the question is if people are happy that we didn't get a prospect.

If were talking about a JJ Hickson level prospect I'm absolutely fine not getting it.

 

[joshstmarie]

No way Amare is going to leave this summer. He has a player option for $17.7M for next year. You know it, I know it, and Amare damn well knows that there isn't a team that is going to pay him anywhere close to that if he opts out. He's not worth it and he and his Happy agent know it...

He'll exercise his option, no matter who he plays for....

This ones easy. He will 100% leave next year because of the pending CBA which will probably have lower/shorter max contracts. Being that this year is the last year of the "old CBA" Amare will get a long term deal done this summer.

There is absolutely no way amare is not opting out. NONE.

 

[SunsTzu]

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That sounds good in theory. However, the odds are squarely against the Suns. If the Suns could manage to resign Amare then great. However, I think there is ZERO chance of it. The Suns are not willing to pay Max and Amare and his agent want Max.

There is going to be a team willing to pay him the money he wants. There always is every single year ready to make a bonehead move.

If we get nothing for letting a player of Amare's caliber walk for nothing....there is no scenario in which that is a GOOD MOVE for the Suns.

This is a scenario where I would take the best offer out there (provided we don't take on crap contracts) versus getting nothing.

Just like when the Suns lost JJ as a FA and they were able to S&T him for Diaw 2 1sts and a TE? That JJ S&T got more in return than ANY of the proposed Amare trades.

I'm not saying Amare would be able to net that type of haul in a S&T this year but teams will be looking to get as much cap space as they can to make as big a splash. If all the Suns get is a couple 2nd rounders and a TE thats enough to make up for not taking a crappy deal like JJ Hickson and the 30th pick.

 

[devilalum]

I keep reading Kerr has no leverage. This isn't true. Whenever you're negotiating the best leverage you have is the power to walk away. If Miami really wants Amare they still have to deal with that reality.

If Kerr walks away what does that do to Miami's chances of keeping Wade?

 

[Chaplin]

I keep reading Kerr has no leverage. This isn't true. Whenever you're negotiating the best leverage you have is the power to walk away. If Miami really wants Amare they still have to deal with that reality.

If Kerr walks away what does that do to Miami's chances of keeping Wade?

Can't answer that question right now because of Chris Bosh.

 

[devilalum]

Can't answer that question right now because of Chris Bosh.

If the TMac trade goes through NY has enough to get 2 of the big 3.

 

[Covert Rain]

I keep reading Kerr has no leverage. This isn't true. Whenever you're negotiating the best leverage you have is the power to walk away. If Miami really wants Amare they still have to deal with that reality.

If Kerr walks away what does that do to Miami's chances of keeping Wade?

No leverage is not entirely accurate. However, if you think they have the same leverage after the Cavs went in another direction you are kidding yourself. A team (Miami) can't get into a bidding war with itself.

It appears that the Cavs and Miami were the only serious bidders up to this point.

 

[SunsTzu]

No leverage is not entirely accurate. However, if you think they have the same leverage after the Cavs went in another direction you are kidding yourself. A team (Miami) can't get into a bidding war with itself.

If the Suns primary concern was creating leverage with the Heat they should have been talking to the Bulls about Deng. The Heat would have done everything they could to stop the Bulls from getting Amare in a deal that would allow them to sign a max FA and keep Amare.

 

[devilalum]

No leverage is not entirely accurate. However, if you think they have the same leverage after the Cavs went in another direction you are kidding yourself. A team (Miami) can't get into a bidding war with itself.

How does Jamison going to the Cavs change Miami's situation? They still need to do something or Wade is gonna leave. If anything the Cavs getting better puts more pressure on Riley. I bet Miami ups its offer at the last possible minute.

I'm not sayin its gonna be good enough...

 

[cly2tw]

Had we signed Amare to Gasol type extension, he'd by now have been successfully traded off the team!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Just like when the Suns lost JJ as a FA and they were able to S&T him for Diaw 2 1sts and a TE? That JJ S&T got more in return than ANY of the proposed Amare trades.

just to play devil's advocate, JJ was an RFA which meant we could have just signed him back and he would have no say as opposed to Amare who won't be restricted.

 

[SunsTzu]

just to play devil's advocate, JJ was an RFA which meant we could have just signed him back and he would have no say as opposed to Amare who won't be restricted.

Yeah I know which is one of the reasons I said the Suns wouldn't get that type of value this year and they would also need to be willing to take some salary back in that scenario.

 

[Covert Rain]

How does Jamison going to the Cavs change Miami's situation? They still need to do something or Wade is gonna leave. If anything the Cavs getting better puts more pressure on Riley. I bet Miami ups its offer at the last possible minute.

I'm not sayin its gonna be good enough...

Because if a team is offering more then Miami, it gives you more leverage to ask for a better package. Trade 101.

 

[SunsTzu]

Because if a team is offering more then Miami, it gives you more leverage to ask for a better package. Trade 101.

If Hickson and a end of the 1st round pick was more than the Heat are offering they can't be all that serious about getting Amare.

 

[devilalum]

Because if a team is offering more then Miami, it gives you more leverage to ask for a better package. Trade 101.

If Reilly believes Kerr will walk away it changes nothing. If Reilly believes that Kerr HAS to make a trade for some reason then you are correct.

 

[Covert Rain]

If Reilly believes Kerr will walk away it changes nothing. If Reilly believes that Kerr HAS to make a trade for some reason then you are correct.

If Reilly believes Kerr will walk away it entices him to sweeten the deal.

 

[sunsfan88]

How does Jamison going to the Cavs change Miami's situation? They still need to do something or Wade is gonna leave. If anything the Cavs getting better puts more pressure on Riley. I bet Miami ups its offer at the last possible minute.

I'm not sayin its gonna be good enough...

Now Miami knows their our only choice. So their not offering Beasley anymore.

 

[devilalum]

Now Miami knows their our only choice. So their not offering Beasley anymore.

The latest gossip says they never offered Beasley to begin with.

Kerr keeps saying the Suns are "listening to offers." At this point Kerr should just TELL the Heat what he wants, take it or leave it.

Who's gonna blink first, the guy who might lose Amare for nothing or the guy who might lose Wade for nothing?

 

[asudevil83]

I keep reading Kerr has no leverage. This isn't true. Whenever you're negotiating the best leverage you have is the power to walk away. If Miami really wants Amare they still have to deal with that reality.

If Kerr walks away what does that do to Miami's chances of keeping Wade?

Miami must be gun ho in their thought that Amare WILL be in Miami this offseason through FA. in that respect they have all the leverage. in their mind its "well, you can take our package for him now, OR we'll just take him away in a few months anyway."

IF Miami, Phoenix, AND Amare were 100% sure that no matter what Amare were in Heat uni this offseason, then in fact Miami has all the leverage and Kerr has none. and it appears as though the Heat are acting that this is the case.

Amare probably will not resign with the suns. the bridges have been burned IMO. management has talked about trading him for how many years now? and they have done nothing. by this time i think amare is thinking "screw it, i'm out." knowing that Kerr has placed an extremely low value on him makes it even worse.